Channel 9 reports portis to new england

[SkinsKY]

Originally posted by akhhorus
CornerBack is one of the hardest positions to judge and the stats never tell you anything: Deion never had a lot of INTs, tackles or Passes Defended, but he is considered the best cover corner ever

I know. If you check earlier posts on the subject. I made that exact same case. Stats don't tell the whole story about cornerbacks. No matter what though, people still argued the passes defended/INTS meant Champ wasn't as good and certainly not the best. I just feel slightly vindicated that the stats appear to be on my side.

[VTSkins897]

bs bs bs bs!!!

funniest thing about the rick james bit is that it's charlie murphy

charlie murphy...

he's charlie murphy biA#@$!!!

[guinness4health]

Originally posted by Redskinfan28
How do we take on Law's 8.7 million dollar salary? How old is Ty Law? 45?

This talk is beyond stupid.

law is 30 yrs old

[IowaSkinsFan]

His cap number is around $6.5 million I believe.

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by VTSkins897
bs bs bs bs!!!

funniest thing about the rick james bit is that it's charlie murphy

charlie murphy...

he's charlie murphy biA#@$!!!

b*tch get over here and have sex with charlie murhpy!

[Odyn]

Champ never made the big play when we needed it. I remember the Carolina game, where it was third down at midfield on the last Panter drive. Delhomme throws it for Steve Smith, who turns around and catches it in the air. And who do you see flailing his arms as he tries to catch up? You guessed it Champ Bailey.

I think the one thing that gives me the slight edge to lean towards Law, is that he always came up with the big interception or defended pass when his team needed it. That is the one thing that we haven't had in a while.

[JakeIron]

First of all, I don´t think this trade is ever going to take place. Second of all, if it did, it could be one of the best trades ever. I don´t care what the path of the trade is, but eventually it comes down to trading Bailey and 2nd rounder for law and 2 1st rounders. I say we draft Taylor at #5, Vilma at #21 and a RB at #32 plus sign DE/DT's via FA. It just sounds too good. Secondary (Smoot, Law, Iffy, Taylor) LBs(Arrington, Trotter, Vilma) and DL (a few FAs)

[PatsFan]

Originally posted by hogs86
It was on channel 9 sports Law and New englands first 2 picks for Portis.Man i hope this is not true!!!
Rest assured that NO ONE is the organization is that stupid. Why would NE give up the best corner in football last year (and draft picks) for a running back when they:
Won a superbowl w/out a stud RB (twice).
Have multiple draft picks if they want to get one via the draft.
They are two days away from Garner's et al's free agency signing period.
Point is IT WON'T HAPPEN. It's laughable that a news station would report it and even more laughable that fans would buy it for a second. Why wouldn't the Pats step in and offer the player ( LAW) and their two first rounders to Denver and skip using the Skins as a middle man???
Law's cap number is not a killer for the Pats this season. Next year yes but not this year. Enjoy the offseason but for all you fans looking forward to seeing Portis in a Skins uniform....don't sweat a thing. NE is not even gonna consider such a stupid trade. Why give up so much for Portis or any RB for that matter???

[SkinsKY]

If we have three first rounders, it is imperative that we draft a rookie DL. Otherwise in two years (or next) we will be in the same position we're in now. Can we for once not neglect the DLine. a FA line will give us a year, but not offer any long term solutions. We must get a young guy to remain constant.

[GolfFreak]

Sorry - but I can't read all 256 posts!!!

I'd do this deal in a second ... we essentially trade Champ & a 2nd rounder for Law and 2 first rounders (abeit low ones). We could take an impact player w/ all three of those picks (maybe even Greg Jones late in the first round).

I love the offseason!

[UKredskinsfan]

Wow! I've been offline for too long! What great speculation!

This NE trade sounds like a good deal, however one thing is naggin me. Can someone please tell me is Gibbs here for the long term or just a couple of years?

The reason I ask is because if we are building for short-term play-off success, then surely keeping Portis and bringing in veteran DLiners (as Seeway suggests) makes more sense and is the safer bet!?!?

If we had a young Headcoach who was building for a 7yr plan, then the NE trade would be wonderful and make perfect sense, but we dont!

I'm not against the NE trade, but how's this trade gonna help Gibbs in the short term, especially if all our draft picks take two or three years to show their potential?!?!?

I'm not saying its preferential, just that Portis, plus Springs and two veteran DLiners makes more sense for Gibbs' short term success!

Any views????

[lsuredskin]

Hey Pats Fan, Denver would not want to give Portis to an AFC rival and they wanted Champ, not two 1st round picks. I thought the idea of Denver giving up Portis was laughable a week ago but look what happened. You also can't believe that the Patriots wouldn't like the idea of Portis in their backfield. He's a franchise back that would instantly make them the favorites for a repeat. I personally hope it doesn't happen but I don't think it's laughable.

[Monk81]

I bet we do this trade and Dillon is our RB next season.

Gibbs is high on Dillon he said he is a marathon RB I have a feeling this is only the start of the wheeling and dealing by the redskins

[Redskinfan28]

The Redskins have said they have no interest in Dillion.

[Monk81]

Yeah that's what they say but why let the competition know what you want so they can drive up the price.

no one knew they wanted Portis that was a shock to everyone

[dj_stouty]

Originally posted by PatsFan
Why would NE give up the best corner in football last year (and draft picks) for a running back

I don't know anybody outside of Boston who thinks Law is the best Corner in the league. Top 5? Yes. But not the best. Woodson, McAllister and Bailey are all better..

[Patrick]

Originally posted by dj_stouty
I don't know anybody outside of Boston who thinks Law is the best Corner in the league. Top 5? Yes. But not the best. Woodson, McAllister and Bailey are all better..

Well there might be a few in New Hampshire. :D

[Monk81]

how about because the Pats have no RB and will not pay Law big money like they didn't pay Milloy last year.

I hope we do not trade Portis after just acquiring him

I don't want the rich to get richer while IMO we get poorer

[SkinsKY]

Originally posted by Monk81
I bet we do this trade and Dillon is our RB next season.

Gibbs is high on Dillon he said he is a marathon RB I have a feeling this is only the start of the wheeling and dealing by the redskins

This was given in another message board by someone who was quoting someone else. By the time it gets to us, it's at least fourth hand knowledge from what we can only assume is an unreliable source. I don't think Gibbs is all that high on Dillon, or at least hasn't made it public, but you can't base an argument on what you heard from a friend of a friend of a friend (especially when the original source is an unnamed source by some yahoo on a message board).

[flave1969]

Us playing middle men to NE and Denver makes no sense.

Law would be a good deal for Denver. They still get a great CB and two draft picks as well. Why involve the Redskins and Bailey unless Bailey is their man?

On Washington's part why give away picks just to get more picks. There are a couple of ways to get New Englands picks and trading Bailey and a second for Portis isn't one of them. Trading down (this would be bad) or trying for a Bailey/ Law/ Picks swap, they would be more sensible deals. Why involve Denver?

The deal with Denver means we fill an area with a premier player with huge potential. Portis is in his early 20's. If you got just five more good years from him you are talking 7000+ yards. That is a running game that opens up the pass. Joe Gibbs will not pass that up.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Maybe Denver has got a whiff of this and is talking directly to NE about Law for Portis and their firsts?

[akhhorus]

Originally posted by SkinsKY
I know. If you check earlier posts on the subject. I made that exact same case. Stats don't tell the whole story about cornerbacks. No matter what though, people still argued the passes defended/INTS meant Champ wasn't as good and certainly not the best. I just feel slightly vindicated that the stats appear to be on my side.

right, but they were throwing at Champ this year and his still had low stats, which means he had a bad season

[CarMike]

Originally posted by robert
Maybe Denver has got a whiff of this and is talking directly to NE about Law for Portis and their firsts?

robert, please......no stroking the fire!!!!:D

[NCskinsfanatic]

I think Denver would love the picks but IMHO they are getting just as good or slightly better of a CB for similiar money and a high 2nd.Dont know if they would be interested in a 30 year old scheduled to make 13 mil next season (who would have to be restructured and two picks not that much higher than our 2nd.

[bosshog001]

I would do this deal if I were us. Get another shut down corner and get 3 firsts, why not? Use the first on Taylor, second on Udeze, sign Staley as RB and we are a much better team than last year at those positions.

I doubt NE would give up that much for Portis.

[akhhorus]

Originally posted by robert
Maybe Denver has got a whiff of this and is talking directly to NE about Law for Portis and their firsts?

if Denver backed out of their agreement with the skins, it would be awful for their reputation in the league

[Spider]

Originally posted by akhhorus
if Denver backed out of their agreement with the skins, it would be awful for their reputation in the league
your 100% on the nose with that one , Besides Ty Law (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/3820)
Vs Champ Bailey (http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/133217)
realy isnt that much of a match up ....... Not once you Concider the defensive units these guys played on ..... Denver is better off honoring it's agreement with Redskins

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by PatsFan
Rest assured that NO ONE is the organization is that stupid. Why would NE give up the best corner in football last year (and draft picks) for a running back when they:
Won a superbowl w/out a stud RB (twice).
Have multiple draft picks if they want to get one via the draft.
They are two days away from Garner's et al's free agency signing period.
Point is IT WON'T HAPPEN. It's laughable that a news station would report it and even more laughable that fans would buy it for a second. Why wouldn't the Pats step in and offer the player ( LAW) and their two first rounders to Denver and skip using the Skins as a middle man???
Law's cap number is not a killer for the Pats this season. Next year yes but not this year. Enjoy the offseason but for all you fans looking forward to seeing Portis in a Skins uniform....don't sweat a thing. NE is not even gonna consider such a stupid trade. Why give up so much for Portis or any RB for that matter???

Do you really think Denver would trade Portis to an AFC rival? Moreover, to New England, where the road to the the next Super Bowl goes through? That's the beauty of this albeit speculative rumor. Dan is brokering the deal, and Denver may not even know about it. They seem to be in an awful hurry to sign Champ and get the Skins 2nd rounder. They're probably thinking: "Hurry up and get this done before Gibbs finds out what Danny's done!".

[Spider]

Originally posted by BurgundyNGold
Do you really think Denver would trade Portis to an AFC rival? Moreover, to New England, where the road to the the next Super Bowl goes through? That's the beauty of this albeit speculative rumor. Dan is brokering the deal, and Denver may not even know about it. They seem to be in an awful hurry to sign Champ and get the Skins 2nd rounder. They're probably thinking: "Hurry up and get this done before Gibbs finds out what Danny's done!".
Half right , But ever since Shanny came to Denver he has covted a Top Notch CB , Dale Carter , Denarad Walker , Ray Crocket , Willie MidddleBust ....err Brooks , Deltha O'Neal , Jimmy Spencer ,Kelly Heardon , have all been failures , So no it isnt a try to hurry up and Sign Champ before anything is uncovered deal , it is more of a I finaly got a Decent CB , hurry up and sign him before he changes his mind, type of deal

[Skinsdynasty]

IF WE DON"T GET PORTIS IN DC, STARTING RB for the WASHINGTON REDSKINS, IM GOING TO BE FURIOUSLY ENRAGED.

[hail2skins]

No need for all caps.

[skin4life]

This may be the final piece of the puzzle. I was wondering what the skins were thinking, allowing Bailey to sign a deal w/ the broncs, but we werent even talking to portis about a re-structured deal and portis didnt even come to visit. But the problem with this rumor is why didnt NE go to denver and offer law for portis.

But if it is true, then this may prove once and for all...Bailey is better than Law, unlike the many threads posted here would say!

Further, if this is true, then the skins are going to change the way teams trade around, i think we'll see more player trades, like baseball.

[VTSkins897]

this so obviously bs it's funny... i guess it's good to speculate on something so vague as channel 9... what network is that? the bs network; it's funny though.

[skinsfanincali]

In Gibbs we trust...

[akhhorus]

Originally posted by Skin_Finatic
b*tch get over here and have sex with charlie murhpy!

-Hey Prince, do you have a towel, I'm sweating over here
-Why do you cool yourself in the waters of the Minnetonka..

I wish I had four hands, so I could give four thumbs down

[GloryHog]

In light of the Portis signing, there is only one thing left to say about this tread.

NEVER MIND!

We now resume our regularly scheduled programing.

[Skin_Finatic]

YEAHHHHHHHH.... one last time in this thread...........IM RICK JAMES b*tch

[RedskinRyan]

i think it might be ty law plus the 21st pick for the 5th pick, which doesnt sound bad to me. we fill up a hole and get a decent draft pick.

[akhhorus]

Originally posted by RedskinRyan
i think it might be ty law plus the 21st pick for the 5th pick, which doesnt sound bad to me. we fill up a hole and get a decent draft pick.

that would be acceptable, but I would prefer to get another draft pick. BUT, NE cant do this trade because they cant swallow whats left of the Law bonus. Also Law is in the last or next to last year of his contract: do you want to shell out for another big extention?

[akhhorus]

Originally posted by Skin_Finatic
YEAHHHHHHHH.... one last time in this thread...........IM RICK JAMES b*tch

I'm Rick James b*tch