Channel 9 reports portis to new england

[ihatedallas]

im not certain but i heard a freind tell me he just heard that we might be sending ty law and a 1st rounder to dc **but im not positive its just what i heard**

[¤Smooooot¤]

Law and a 1st rounder???? Who are we givin up???? I hope its not Portis. Champ and a 2nd for Law and a 1st....thats what it would all turn out to be.

[rskinsfan10]

I know that he said that he felt insulted by the offer that they gave him in their restructuring talks. I don't see Law coming here. That may be wishful thinking.

[SkinsRock36]

ty law and a 1st rounder for what? Portis? Portis is staying in DC.

[ihatedallas]

yea it was for portis

[Redskinfan28]

No way - Law is to expensive. Plus, the NE fans would revolt.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Would they? Belicheck could scheme that defense into making up for the loss of Law, and they have almost no running game to speak of....

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by ihatedallas
yea it was for portis

screw that PORTIS is OURS!!!

[rhummer37]

You wanna see a riot? Go ahead and send Portis away after only hours of him become an official Redskins.

It might be only 1 man strong but THIS MAN WILL NOT BE HAPPY.




:P

[ihatedallas]

i was looking forward to him in a skins uni

[WinslowRedskin]

won't happen we aren't trading Portis. The only option could be pick 5 for Law and Pick 32 or 21.

[akhhorus]

Law has a huge deal, BUt the skins wouldnt have to pay for the signing bonus. I might do this deal if its for the #5 pick

[hogs86]

It was on channel 9 sports Law and New englands first 2 picks for Portis.Man i hope this is not true!!!

[ihatedallas]

u saw it too

[hogs86]

Did any body see this ? Law and new england first 2 picks for Portis.

[SkinsKY]

Originally posted by akhhorus
Law has a huge deal, BUt the skins wouldnt have to pay for the signing bonus. I might do this deal if its for the #5 pick

Then we would be neglecting putting youth on our Dline once again.

[rskinsfan10]

No, I didn't see this.

[Coloradoskin]

Are you serious ??? I would like to keep Portis but this might be a good move.. We get ty Law and have 3 first round picks..

[PennSkinsFan]

I figured when this rumor first came out, Law would have to be involved

[Skin_Finatic]

I dont think we could do this. Law is too overpaid!!!

[rskinsfan10]

If this is true, I may have to temper my Portis or nothing at all excitement. If we retained the #5, I would be all for this.

[ihatedallas]

i hope its not true but everybody is just gettin worked up becuase we have to wait so long

[HollywoodKolt]

I dunno, if we were unwilling to pay champ why would we pay almost as much for an older CB?

[rskinsfan10]

I don't think that Law will ask for as much as Champ. Also, technically, he's still under contract.

[Skin_Finatic]

Whats wrong with portis, Please tell me. Keep portis, draft sean taylor and call it a day. trade gardener for some picks if you want them that bad

[Chief Seeway]

I don't like it. The thought of CP as a skin is too tempting.

[ihatedallas]

theres nothing wrong with portis thats y i dont get this new england crap

[ArRiNgToN_56]

If we got #5 and both there 1st rounders combined with TyLaw id say HELL YEAH

[ihatedallas]

this new england stuff is so stupid y would we give up a player of his potential for no guranteed great players whos going to run the ball betts?portis should be in askins uni and will most likely be

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally posted by ArRiNgToN_56
If we got #5 and both there 1st rounders combined with TyLaw id say HELL YEAH

Wow. I gotta agree. Law AND two first rounders! Low first rounders at that, which will give us solid defensive players, but not cap breakers.

That would essentially land us the 5th, 21st, and 32nd picks in the first round, plus Ty Law!

[rskinsfan10]

I believe that Law's base for this year under his current deal is around $5.6

[bball7980]

I would jump all over that. We could get Taylor or Udeze at number 5 and then get running back and another DL with the other first rounder. That would be filling a lot of holes instead of just one.

[skinsone]

What is Laws cap number? I do not think I would do this because I heard Law wants a new contract. Law would want to receive a large signing bonus and a huge salary. I would mess up our cap. Plus Law is getting old. Almost never trade for old for young. We saw what happen to the Wizards when they traded Webber. I rather sign on of the free agent CBs and either trade S. Taylor or trade down and pick up an extra draft pick.

[Redskinfan28]

Can anyone confirm this? All the speculation is driving me crazy.

[Spider]

Easy come easy go they Say ......... Too Bad you guys would have loved to seen Portis Run ....... I have been saying since day I acame hereportis was Special ........ Pats fan must be doing Handstands , they Played against Portis they Know what he is .......

[NCskinsfanatic]

Originally posted by SkinsKY
Then we would be neglecting putting youth on our Dline once again. Not if we keep our 5 and acquire NEs 2 first rounders as some have said was reported.Im not sold on Portis anyway myself.Do I think hes a great back,well yeah.Do I think he fits Gibbs system,well he isnt a big between the tackles veteran running back,so no.I still feel Portis is a bit small and if he had racked up those yards behind an awful line or for a team not known for making every back they have a 1200-1500 yard back then maybe I would feel better about him.If we keep him great,If we get Law and the 21st and 32nd picks even better.As stated above we dont have to pay Laws signing bonus.And he's no slouch,I think hes just as good as Bailey infact.So the way i see it we trade Baileys greedy ass along with our second for a corner just as good and two firsts.

[rskinsfan10]

They aren't providing a link on their website, so right now we are trusting hogs86 word on this.

[Chief Seeway]

Originally posted by PennSkinsFan
Wow. I gotta agree. Law AND two first rounders! Low first rounders at that, which will give us solid defensive players, but not cap breakers.

That would essentially land us the 5th, 21st, and 32nd picks in the first round, plus Ty Law!

Three first round picks is nice, but still a gamble. Plus costly.

So who would we draft?

Taylor at 5
Jackson or Perry at 21
and
best available DT/DE at 32???

Personally I prefer to have Portis
Taylor at 5
and two to three PROVEN DT's/DE's via free agency.

[skinsone]

We are the king of the off season!!!!

[NCskinsfanatic]

Could this also be why we were not worried about throwing in the high second for Portis?Makes sense to me.

[ihatedallas]

i would love to have the pics and ty law but honestly how many more years does he have in him and how many does portis have

[Chief Seeway]

If the portis / Law / picks happens, I hope we wait until draft day. This will allow Snyder and co. to fish through the free agent market first.

[ArRiNgToN_56]

Uh, there would be no need of Portis we have 3 first Rounders to pick an RB
5=Taylor
16=Udeze if hes still around (if not we pick up a RB)
32=Jackson or Somone(if we pick up RB at 16 then we pick a DT like the huge guy from That one College my mind just went blank)

[Dexter72]

Law got a new contract w/ a 14.5 mill bonus like a year or year and a half ago (the basis for the skins offering champ a 14.75 mill signing bonus)...None of the bonus money counts against the Skins cap, so they'd be getting a guy under contract for awhile who has a low cap hit. I'd like to see Portis in B&G, but the Skins will have basically traded Law for Champ (top 5 corner for top 5 corner), moved their 2nd rounder to a first (42 to 32) and added the 21st pick. Pretty nice, although I'm surprised NE didn't just trade Law and picks to Denver.

[Chief Seeway]

where did the 16th pick come from???

[Redskinfan28]

Portis is 2 times better than either Jackson, Perry or Jones. None of those guys would even start the first year.

[ArRiNgToN_56]

Originally posted by skinsone
We are the king of the off season!!!!

Agreed, our off-seasons are insane. But i Kinda like it in a sadistic sort-of way

[NCskinsfanatic]

Originally posted by Spider
Easy come easy go they Say ......... Too Bad you guys would have loved to seen Portis Run ....... I have been saying since day I acame hereportis was Special ........ Pats fan must be doing Handstands , they Played against Portis they Know what he is ....... Hey spider glad to see youre still hangin around.IMHO we actually get a better deal here with NE.I didnt understand the whole Champ and a 2nd to Denver but now it makes sense.We get a corner just as good,the 21st and 32nd pick as well as keep our own 1st.Thats 3 more starters and a shutdown corner.I believe Portis is a great back,just not sure he is the back Joe Gibbs prefers.For instance TD and Portis were/are great backs for yopu guys.But they were different in style and stature.In TDS hey day I doubt you thought any less of him than you do Portis.But i believe Portis is still a product of the system ala Gary,Anderson,etc.He will only look as good for NE or us if we/they put together a finesse o-line like you guys have IMO.Again not to say hes not great just I was worried 1500 in Denver would equate to 1000-1200 here.And IMHO thats not worth Champ and a 2nd.Hey but then again Ive been wrong before lol.

[Chief Seeway]

No back in the draft will have over 3000 yds rushing, almost 700 yds receiving and over 30 TD's in his first two years. (Portis' numbers)

Get Portis and Taylor and get CB/DT/DE via free agency. Please! lol

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by seeway
No back in the draft will have over 3000 yds rushing, almost 700 yds receiving and over 30 TD's in his first two years. (Portis' numbers)

Get Portis and Taylor and get CB/DT/DE via free agency. Please! lol

couldn't have said it any better

[NCskinsfanatic]

Originally posted by ihatedallas
i would love to have the pics and ty law but honestly how many more years does he have in him and how many does portis have I agree to a certain extent.But that has to be considered with the following in mind,injuries occur and Portis could blow out his knee his 4th year in the league while Law went on to play 4-5 more seasons,or vice versa.My point is just because Portis is a few years younger doesnt mean hes a lock to be here for the next decade.Especially b/c he wants to be paid in the elite class now,how much more will he want when hes 25 or 26(just when most backs are hittin their prime)?

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by Dexter72
None of the bonus money counts against the Skins cap, so they'd be getting a guy under contract for awhile who has a low cap hit.

$5.6 in base isn't really that low. Not astronomical, but not all that low either IMO.

[WinslowRedskin]

I don't care either way...it sounds too good to be true! You're telling me Law, pick 5, pick 21, and pick 32? That would be INSANE!!!!! We could have Law, Springs, Smoot, Bowen, and Taylor in our secondary!!!!

I also think you all are forgetting that Gibbs won with a large variety of Backs, Rookies, Vets, young guns...everyone. We would take Jones with pick 21 (or possibly someone like Perry if Jones is gone), and either a DT or DE with pick 32. Doesn't matter to me, because this makes our defense HUGE! I'll be happy either way, with Portis or with Law and a bunch of picks!

Good thing we don't play NE this year!

[Va.SkinFan]

No way we can sign him. His salary cap for this year is $10 m and his salary is $12.5. Thats what I read in a New Engand news paper. Ty said he did not want any more money but he would just like to keep his current salary. WHO wouldnt. No deal!

[Spider]

Originally posted by NCskinsfanatic
Hey spider glad to see youre still hangin around.IMHO we actually get a better deal here with NE.I didnt understand the whole Champ and a 2nd to Denver but now it makes sense.We get a corner just as good,the 21st and 32nd pick as well as keep our own 1st.Thats 3 more starters and a shutdown corner.I believe Portis is a great back,just not sure he is the back Joe Gibbs prefers.For instance TD and Portis were/are great backs for yopu guys.But they were different in style and stature.In TDS hey day I doubt you thought any less of him than you do Portis.But i believe Portis is still a product of the system ala Gary,Anderson,etc.He will only look as good for NE or us if we/they put together a finesse o-line like you guys have IMO.Again not to say hes not great just I was worried 1500 in Denver would equate to 1000-1200 here.And IMHO thats not worth Champ and a 2nd.Hey but then again Ive been wrong before lol.
Depends on how you look at it , Right now everyone ( not you Skin Fans ) is on the Ty Law Bandwagon , I wouldnt count on him if I were you , the draft picks I would be excited about though .....
Ty Law Will not work with you on the Cap , If the Skins do get Ty Law , it will be a Short lived honey moon , Maybe trade law of a DT or a DE before week 6 in the season .......... At least that would be my plan
Antione Winfield is still the best CB and he is lost in the Shuffle ......

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by NCskinsfanatic
I agree to a certain extent.But that has to be considered with the following in mind,injuries occur and Portis could blow out his knee his 4th year in the league while Law went on to play 4-5 more seasons,or vice versa.My point is just because Portis is a few years younger doesnt mean hes a lock to be here for the next decade.Especially b/c he wants to be paid in the elite class now,how much more will he want when hes 25 or 26(just when most backs are hittin their prime)?

Excellent points IMO.

[Marlboro Red]

If we do this deal New England will win the Super Bowl again next year! We're stupid to make the Super Bowl Champs even better for a couple draft picks when we can have a great young running back! OK I'll take it back that New England will win the Super Bowl, that's why they play the games. Plus, nothing has happened yet, so we'll see.

[rskinsfan10]

I heard that his base is $5.6

[Redskinfan28]

"We could have Law, Springs, Smoot, Bowen, and Taylor in our secondary!!!!"

No way. Why would we waste money with Law and Springs. That doesn't make sense.

This whole thing is stupid.

[CarMike]

Originally posted by seeway
I don't like it. The thought of CP as a skin is too tempting.

I agree Tom.

And I thought all of this Portis news would be dead by this time....ughh....

[¤Smooooot¤]

How about this......We get Clinton Portis and keep him and win the Superbowl YYYYYYYAAAAAYYYYYYYYY

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by WinslowRedskin
I don't care either way...it sounds too good to be true! You're telling me Law, pick 5, pick 21, and pick 32? That would be INSANE!!!!! We could have Law, Springs, Smoot, Bowen, and Taylor in our secondary!!!!

I also think you all are forgetting that Gibbs won with a large variety of Backs, Rookies, Vets, young guns...everyone. We would take Jones with pick 21 (or possibly someone like Perry if Jones is gone), and either a DT or DE with pick 32. Doesn't matter to me, because this makes our defense HUGE! I'll be happy either way, with Portis or with Law and a bunch of picks!

Good thing we don't play NE this year!

even if that is true... well have no running back

[Va.SkinFan]

Hey, Law has a 10mil cap and a 12.5 mil salary. Do you want to pay that if you were Snyder. Too much for my blood. Thats why theyare getting rid of him. Too much money for one player.

[WinslowRedskin]

you're calling Kevin Jones no running back? He's better than Betts and Trung put together!...although he is deff no Portis.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
I heard that his base is $5.6

Now I'm reading $8.7

Boston Herald (http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/view.bg?articleid=660)

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by WinslowRedskin
you're calling Kevin Jones no running back? He's better than Betts and Trung put together!...although he is deff no Portis.

I know kevin jones is great (i'm a va tech fan)..... But you never know if he will fall to us. so were basically gonna trade one of those first to trade up. Plus betts and candiate arent any good..

[Redskinfan28]

I think Kevin Jones is a risk. VT played a terrible schedule and most of his yards were against scrub Ds. Moreover, he was only a one year starter. I'd take Betts over him because he played against Big 10 defenses. In fact, Stephen Jackson is a better RB than jones, IMO.

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Now I'm reading $8.7

Boston Herald (http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/view.bg?articleid=660)

tooooooooooooo much.

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by Redskinfan28
I think Kevin Jones is a risk. VT played a terrible schedule and most of his yards were against scrub Ds. I'd take Betts over him because he played against Big 10 defenses.

miami and pitt have pretty good defenses and jones got like 240 against pitt and 140 against miami. i think

[rskinsfan10]

According to this Boston Herald story, he's due $8.7, not the $5.6 that I stated.

Boston Herald (http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/view.bg?articleid=660)

[Redskinfan28]

Law is scheduled to earn $8.7 million in 2004, making him what would now amount to the NFL's highest paid cornerback and the second-highest paid player behind Indianapolis quarterback Peyton Manning.

[rskinsfan10]

Merged threads BTW

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by Redskinfan28
Law is scheduled to earn $8.7 million in 2004, making him what would now amount to the NFL's highest paid cornerback and the second-highest paid player behind Indianapolis quarterback Peyton Manning.

And he doesnt deaserve that at all.. think about it. How good is he really???? even that other guy tyrone poole played good in belichick's system and he's really not that good.

[chaos56]

This scenerio just doesn't make sense from the Broncos standpoint.

Why wouldn't the Broncos have just traded with the Pats. I'd much rather have Ty Law and 2 first rounders than Baily and a second rounder.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Now I'm reading $8.7

Boston Herald (http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/view.bg?articleid=660) I wonder because the articles says he will earn 8.7 if that wouldnt include any bonus money that had been spread out over the contract?We arent liable for his bonus $ are we?I dont really know too much about the cap,I could be wrong.

[Redskinfan28]

Pitt had a good D? Are you kidding me? Quincy Wilson ran for like 200+ against that D. Reyes from SU and D. Knigt from BC also ran 150+. In fact, Pitt had one of the worst rushing D in the nation. Jones has "bust" written all over him.

You need to go check your stats. Its a moot point - Gibbs would never start a rookie RB.

[Skin_Finatic]

maybe they think ty law is ovverated.....?? Champs played well with a different d coordnator every year. Ty law has the great bill belichick every year. his scheme may make him look good. IMO

[SkinsRock36]

Thats why I think this trade is all BS.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Originally posted by Skin_Finatic
And he doesnt deaserve that at all.. think about it. How good is he really???? even that other guy tyrone poole played good in belichick's system and he's really not that good. Hes probably just as good as Bailey just a couple of years older IMO.

[rskinsfan10]

Depending on who you ask, Law/Bailey/McCallister are regarded as the best in the game.

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
Depending on who you ask, Law/Bailey/McCallister are regarded as the best in the game.

what about surtain, glenn, and bly?

[WinslowRedskin]

Top 5 Corners:
1.Bailey
2.Law
3.Bly
4.McAllister
5.Surtain

[rskinsfan10]

Yet another merged thread...

[Skin_Finatic]

This excitement is making me crazy!!!

[NCskinsfanatic]

Hey RF10 you wouldnt be trying to hint around at something there would ya lol?

[rskinsfan10]

Originally posted by NCskinsfanatic
Hey RF10 you wouldnt be trying to hint around at something there would ya lol?

I'm trying to be as subtle as possible. :D

I understand that everyone wants to have their opinion heard/seen, but creating new threads about hot topics is creating too much clutter here.

[CarMike]

Originally posted by rskinsfan10
I'm trying to be as subtle as possible. :D

I understand that everyone wants to have their opinion heard/seen, but creating new threads about hot topics is creating too much clutter here.

For the friggen 10,000th time....

[Spider]

Originally posted by WinslowRedskin
Top 5 Corners:
1.Bailey
2.Law
3.Bly
4.McAllister
5.Surtain
Not a Bad list .......
Couritsy of Winston Cup Bronco over at Mane ............
Here they are, starting from 1999, Champ's rookie season:

Games played

Bailey - 80
Surtain - 77
McAlister - 76
Law - 75
Winfield - 72
Woodson - 71
Starks- 56

Tackles

Bailey - 329
Winfield - 313
Law - 284
Woodson - 240
McAlister - 224
Surtain - 196
Starks - 185

Interceptions

Surtain - 23
Bailey - 18
Law - 17
Starks - 17
McAlister - 14
Woodson - 10
Winfield - 6

Passes defensed

McAlister - 63
Bailey - 62
Starks - 49
Law - 45
Surtain - 43
Woodson - 40
Winfield - 37

Age on opening day 2004

Bailey - 26
McAlister - 27
Winfield - 27
Surtain - 28
Woodson - 28
Law - 30
Starks - 30

[LifetimeRedskin]

If we as Redskins fans want to throw our weight behind this "gotta win now" principle that's been driving the exorbitant free agent purchases that resulted in one playoff win, then we can go ahead and keep Portis, hope he doesn't tear his ACL in the first preseason game and try to shore up everything through free agency. I've alwas been a huge proponent of building through the draft, and I have enough faith in Gibbs to make the right selections in the draft if we have those three first round picks. Ty Law is a great corner who has a couple more years left in him. This is a deep draft, so deep that one of the best DLs in the country, Will Smith from OSU, might be there at #21, or so Mr. Kiper seems to think. No, we won't have a new back, but the fact is that with different blocking schemes that take advantage of the guys wo are in the game at any given time, the Canidate/Betts thing could work out pretty well. It was working last year until the Tampa Bay game in Week 6 when Canidate got hurt and never saw the O-Line intact again.

Build through the draft and you won't end up signing a bunch of free agents who hang around for two or three losing seasons only to get cut or retire.

[NCskinsfanatic]

I know i was just teasing you lol.Im sure most dont realize the work you guys put in,so heres a big thanks from me.Keep fighting the good fight lol.

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by Spider
Not a Bad list .......
Couritsy of Winston Cup Bronco over at Mane ............
Here they are, starting from 1999, Champ's rookie season:

Games played

Bailey - 80
Surtain - 77
McAlister - 76
Law - 75
Winfield - 72
Woodson - 71
Starks- 56

Tackles

Bailey - 329
Winfield - 313
Law - 284
Woodson - 240
McAlister - 224
Surtain - 196
Starks - 185

Interceptions

Surtain - 23
Bailey - 18
Law - 17
Starks - 17
McAlister - 14
Woodson - 10
Winfield - 6

Passes defensed

McAlister - 63
Bailey - 62
Starks - 49
Law - 45
Surtain - 43
Woodson - 40
Winfield - 37

Age on opening day 2004

Bailey - 26
McAlister - 27
Winfield - 27
Surtain - 28
Woodson - 28
Law - 30
Starks - 30

nice post

[CarMike]

Spider, by those #s theres no doubt the type of player you guys are getting. he'll be special for you....

I just wish we could/will keep Portis...:(

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by CarMike
Spider, by those #s theres no doubt the type of player you guys are getting. he'll be special for you....

I just wish we could/will keep Portis...:(

me tooooo:(

[Spider]

Thanks Guys .....

[Redskinfan28]

How do we take on Law's 8.7 million dollar salary? How old is Ty Law? 45?

This talk is beyond stupid.

[CarMike]

So Spider, are the Bronco fans getting excited over Bailey finally?

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by Redskinfan28
How do we take on Law's 8.7 million dollar salary? How old is Ty Law? 45?

This talk is beyond stupid.

uh he's either 28 or 29...........

[NCskinsfanatic]

I think Law will be 30 at the start of the season.

[Redskinfan28]

30. That soooo old! :D

[Spider]

Originally posted by CarMike
So Spider, are the Bronco fans getting excited over Bailey finally?
I am starting to , just for the mere fact of we can now put a Safty on Tony Gonzolez , and work out of several Drifferent blitz packages , some are on board some aint ...... Much like here Bro ........

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by Spider
I am starting to , just for the mere fact of we can now put a Safty on Tony Gonzolez , and work out of several Drifferent blitz packages , some are on board some aint ...... Much like here Bro ........

i wish champ the best of luck at denver... but not when we smoke him in 2005 :D

[Spider]

Originally posted by Skin_Finatic
i wish champ the best of luck at denver... but not when we smoke him in 2005 :D
Dont blame you , I have the same feelings about Portis ..... Gotta stick with your Team ...... it is all good :D

[TwistyNiblet]

Man, I am so sick of all this Portis trade talk. Just keep him dangit!

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by TwistyNiblet
Man, I am so sick of all this Portis trade talk. Just keep him dangit!

I Wish.... Gibbs please straighten everyone out and give us the news now!!

[SonnyandSam]

Originally posted by Spider
Not a Bad list .......
Couritsy of Winston Cup Bronco over at Mane ............
Here they are, starting from 1999, Champ's rookie season:

Games played

Bailey - 80
Surtain - 77
McAlister - 76
Law - 75
Winfield - 72
Woodson - 71
Starks- 56

Tackles

Bailey - 329
Winfield - 313
Law - 284
Woodson - 240
McAlister - 224
Surtain - 196
Starks - 185

Interceptions

Surtain - 23
Bailey - 18
Law - 17
Starks - 17
McAlister - 14
Woodson - 10
Winfield - 6

Passes defensed

McAlister - 63
Bailey - 62
Starks - 49
Law - 45
Surtain - 43
Woodson - 40
Winfield - 37

Age on opening day 2004

Bailey - 26
McAlister - 27
Winfield - 27
Surtain - 28
Woodson - 28
Law - 30
Starks - 30

Interesting data. Sure makes Champ out to be one of, if not the best cornerback in the NFL. On the other hand, it also suggests teams tested Bailey a lot more than they tested Woodson and Law. Makes you want to go.....Hmmmmm

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by LaVarPA
Interesting data. Sure makes Champ out to be one of, if not the best cornerback in the NFL. On the other hand, it also suggests teams tested Bailey a lot more than they tested Woodson and Law. Makes you want to go.....Hmmmmm

bailey was tested a lot this season and his worst season with marty. Belive me, Champ is the best!

[SonnyandSam]

I don't know how I feel about this trade rumor. Ty Law and New Englands' two first round picks sure makes it very tempting, doesn't it.

Might have to change my sig picture from Portis to Law.....

Cannot wait until March 3 and all this craziness is more public and not just rumors.

[WinslowRedskin]

KEEP PORTIS!!!! Don't get me wrong, Law would help us out ALOT, but Gibbs with Portis would be so sick. Three first rounders...we'll take Taylor, Jones/Perry, and a DT.

[Spider]

Originally posted by LaVarPA
Interesting data. Sure makes Champ out to be one of, if not the best cornerback in the NFL. On the other hand, it also suggests teams tested Bailey a lot more than they tested Woodson and Law. Makes you want to go.....Hmmmmm
I looked at that also , One thing that wasnt put in the stats , was How many Games these guys Missed , Woodson was out 2 years running , Plus then you factor in the Strength of the front 7 of these teams these guys were on , and then I think the #'s tell you that by Far Champ is one of the better CB's ......

[Chief Seeway]

UPDATE

From "rumor cenrtral" over at espninsider

It only talks about the Pats trying to restucture Law's contract. It does not, does not mention either portis or the skins.


Yet.:banghead:

EDITED: Forgot, Law sounds like he will refuse to restructure. Called it "a slap in the face"

A real "team player"!!! Let's get him!

[hail2skins]

I am sick and tired of all of these rumors. Portis for Champ and 2nd round pick. Then Portis to New England for Law and two 1st round picks. my head is spinning too fast.

[Spider]

Originally posted by hail2skins
I am sick and tired of all of these rumors. Portis for Champ and 2nd round pick. Then Portis to New England for Law and two 1st round picks. my head is spinning too fast.
Gotta love the offseason :D

[TwistyNiblet]

I am praying as we speak that we keep Portis.

[Chief Seeway]

Originally posted by hail2skins
I am sick and tired of all of these rumors. Portis for Champ and 2nd round pick. Then Portis to New England for Law and two 1st round picks. my head is spinning too fast.

Wait till you hear about Lavar!

;) :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[hail2skins]

Originally posted by seeway
Wait till you hear about Lavar!

;) :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Nice try seeway, LOL.

[Spider]

Originally posted by TwistyNiblet
I am praying as we speak that we keep Portis.
I am Praying you Guys Keep him also , last thing we wanted was Portis in the AFC , But Business is Business , if Portis comes back to the AFC he is just one more Mo Fo we will have to Deal with ...........

[GloryHog]

I don't think anyone should get there panties in a knot until this is confirmed one way or another.

I have to admit if this is true it's the best news I've heard since Jan. 7th., it makes so much more sense than putting all of our eggs in Portis' basket. He's a good, maybe great back, but NFL history is full of great backs that never won a superbowl. You gotta have a TEAM.

[TwistyNiblet]

Originally posted by GloryHog
I don't think anyone should get there panties in a knot until this is confirmed one way or another.

I have to admit if this is true it's the best news I've heard since Jan. 7th., it makes so much more sense than putting all of our eggs in Portis' basket. He's a good, maybe great back, but NFL history is full of great backs that never won a superbowl. You gotta have a TEAM.

Yeah, but there is something special about Portis. I can just feel it. Plus, he's a total beast.

[TwistyNiblet]

And I don't really think we are putting all our eggs in one basket.

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by TwistyNiblet
Yeah, but there is something special about Portis. I can just feel it. Plus, he's a total beast.

i feel ya man.

[akhhorus]

besides Channel 9 news, are there any real sources on this? and did this quote any sources?

[TwistyNiblet]

It's not on www.wusatv9.com, so maybe it will be on the 11 oclock news tonight.

[Skin_Finatic]

not at this moment

[bjohns]

I don't see this Channel 9 web site. Got another link?

[TwistyNiblet]

Just take out the comma. Sorry. Here:

www.wusatv9.com

[GloryHog]

Originally posted by TwistyNiblet
Yeah, but there is something special about Portis. I can just feel it. Plus, he's a total beast.

Yeah. but he's a relatively small beast and this is the NFC EAST, I have deep concerns about his durability.

[hailskins]

I like the deal, I say do it. We can essentially get Taylor, Starks, Jones (Va Tech or Fl St) and Law for Bailey and a 2nd round pick. This move would sure up our secondary and d-line, as well as give us the work-horse back that Gibbs desires.

We are also putting our eggs in different baskets, which is a plus. If we kept Portis by not doing the second trade, and he got injured, all of our eggs would be cracked and the first trade would be viewed as a miserable failure.

This failure would then lead to questions with regard to Joe Gibbs' ability to judge talent in his new position. This would undermine his credibility and the team would start to crumble as a result. From Gibbs' standpoint, the safer choice is for Gibbs to stick his neck out on multiple players rather than on just a single guy.

[DEskinsFAN]

the link has a comma in it, just drop the comma and you can look at the website

[DEskinsFAN]

sorry, didn't see the other post

[TwistyNiblet]

It's all good.

[SkinsCT]

This is getting amazingly ridiculous, there is nothing on ESPN about this, but I guess it's still in the rumor stage.

[Skin_Finatic]

man why didnt denver just trade portis for law and the 2 #1's....

[NCskinsfanatic]

Originally posted by hailskins
I like the deal, I say do it. We can essentially get Taylor, Starks, Jones (Va Tech or Fl St) and Law for Bailey and a 2nd round pick. This move would sure up our secondary and d-line, as well as give us the work-horse back that Gibbs desires.

We are also putting our eggs in different baskets, which is a plus. If we kept Portis by not doing the second trade, and he got injured, all of our eggs would be cracked and the first trade would be viewed as a miserable failure.

This failure would then lead to questions with regard to Joe Gibbs' ability to judge talent in his new position. This would undermine his credibility and the team would start to crumble as a result. From Gibbs' standpoint, the safer choice is for Gibbs to stick his neck out on multiple players rather than on just a single guy.

Well said,and i agree.

[TwistyNiblet]

This thread has already outrun the original Portis to NE trade thread.

[GloryHog]

Originally posted by Skin_Finatic
man why didnt denver just trade portis for law and the 2 #1's....

Well for one thing it would have been politically incorrect. I don't think the Broncos fans would have accepted it as well. It's always tougher to pull off trades within your own conference and even more so within your own division.

[Skin_Finatic]

i guess..

[Spider]

Originally posted by Skin_Finatic
man why didnt denver just trade portis for law and the 2 #1's....
Denver didnt want Portis in the AFC , Secondly , I am not to sure we are sold on Ty Law .........
The Trade with the Redskins made much more sence .........

[skins74]

Anybody that would turn this down is a complete idiot. In exchange for Champ and a 2nd round pick, we would be getting a CB who is just as good if not better than Champ and (2) 1st round picks. That would be a awesome move by Dann. I would have to give him big props for that.

[sammy]

I feel like this is my franchise in madden. Just trading people around until I have the people I want. top 5 Corner and 2nd for top 5 corner and 2 firsts.
seems to me like we win.
except for the fact we lose CP

How many years has Law been in the league?

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by skins74
Anybody that would turn this down is a complete idiot. In exchange for Champ and a 2nd round pick, we would be getting a CB who is just as good if not better than Champ and (2) 1st round picks. That would be a awesome move by Dann. I would have to give him big props for that.

damn man we got a lot of idiots on this forum.. including me

[Chief Seeway]

I'm a complete idiot.

[TwistyNiblet]

me too!

[Green-Is-Good]

I am Costanza: Lord of the idiots:D

[NCskinsfanatic]

Im not:D

[Coloradoskin]

This all is making me crazy... especially as I see Rick James waving at me every 4th post.. :)

[skins74]

You don't think we could get a back as good as Portis in the draft with one of those (3) 1st round picks?

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by Coloradoskin
This all is making me crazy... especially as I see Rick James waving at me every 4th post.. :)

lol, Im rick James B*tch (for those that havent seen chappelle show.... watch it!)

[Chief Seeway]

Originally posted by skins74
You don't think we could get a back as good as Portis in the draft with one of those (3) 1st round picks?

I don't think its worth the risk. You know what happens to 1st Round RB's that dont pan out?

They become Special Teams Players who eat up millions of cap dollars for three or four years.

With this rumor, we would be getting rid of one of the best CB's and one of the best RB's just to take a risk at another.

[Spider]

Originally posted by skins74
You don't think we could get a back as good as Portis in the draft with one of those (3) 1st round picks?
Not a Chance , but on the other Hand , there are some nice DT's and a Few DE's in this Draft , But here is the Bottom line , with the offensive talent in the Draft , Defense Drat picks should hang around Late , to Second round , but does Gibbs want to Risk it ?
I mean even if you hate Portis you have to be intregued by the idea of him in your offense ....... Gibbs choices over the next 28 weeks will loom large .........

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by Skin_Finatic
tooooooooooooo much.

Ty Law's $8.7M in 2004 is comparable to hwat you'd have to pay Champ w/ the signing bonus figured in. It's a big number but it is doable.

Now the $13+M for 2005 is a whole other story...

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by BurgundyNGold
Ty Law's $8.7M in 2004 is comparable to hwat you'd have to pay Champ w/ the signing bonus figured in. It's a big number but it is doable.

Now the $13+M for 2005 is a whole other story...

why dont we get winfield...

[Coloradoskin]

I agree... I hope we don't do this deal. Yes we need more draft picks but we can't have eveything on one year. I saw we keep Portis, go after Winfield and other good FA's !!
Thinking out loud here, is there another team besides the PAts that have two first rounders ??? If so, this could turn into us having 4 first rounders like the Jets had a few years ago. We could trade the #5 to that team and have 4 first rounders. Maybe the Pats are the only team with 2. I should know this. I hope we keep Portis and draft Sean Taylor.

[hogs86]

Ok to clear some rumor talk up.I was watching the news. WUSA 9NEWS.The guy doing the sports i forget his name... At the end of the sports he said from channel 9 resources that there have been talk between the skins and new england .That would send Law and new england first 2 picks for Portis.So take that for what it is ??

[Skin_Finatic]

i think he's full of crap

[Chief Seeway]

Originally posted by Skin_Finatic
i think he's full of crap

Agree

[Chief Seeway]

BTW, Rick James is starting to give me the heeby-jeebies! j/k

[hail2skins]

Fox 5 is about to their sports section. I'll keep you informed.

[Skin_Finatic]

LOL!!!! Dave Chappelle is hilarious

[ZClake]

i say keep portis.. ty law is gettin old and i like clinton more than ty law... Clinton is better than any of the rbs in the draft anyway

[GloryHog]

If this deal does turn out to be true, it will explain a lot to me. I would have to surmise that New England was in on it from the very beginning. It never made any sense to me that we would engineer a deal where all we got out of loosing Champ Bailey was a running back (no matter how good) and giving up our second round pick. If this deal does happen it will be the slickest one the Redskins have pulled off since Snyder bought the team.
I wish I new who's idea it was.

By the way I don't think any of you are idiots, it's very tempting to want eat the whole chocolate cake for dinner (Portis), but what we really need is a well balanced meal.

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by GloryHog

By the way I don't think any of you are idiots, it's very tempting to want eat the whole chocolate cake for dinner (Portis), but what we really need is a well balanced meal.

your making me hungry for cake

[¤Smooooot¤]

Originally posted by seeway
BTW, Rick James is starting to give me the heeby-jeebies! j/k


Yeah me too....whats up with the black dude??? lol

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by ¤Smooooot¤
Yeah me too....whats up with the back dude??? lol

watch chappelle show and you'll undertand LOL

[¤Smooooot¤]

Haha aright.....i watch it sometimes but never seen that.

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by Skin_Finatic
why dont we get winfield...

Winfield is a possibility. But he's like 5'-9'', 188 lbs. I know Darrell Green had thos dimensions, but he ran a 4.17 40 w/ a 38" vertical.

Plus, I don't know how tested he's been. Look at his figures in Spider's earlier post. 6 INTs???

If Law is available, he's the best we're gonna get. IMO, Vincent and Springs are the best available who have not been tagged, and Winfield is right behind them.

Then again... with Sean Taylor in your backfield, maybe Winfield and Smoot would be a killer corder combo. But I'm not sold on Bauman as the nickel corner at all.

[VTSkins897]

im going to have to call bullshoot about all this

[hail2skins]

They didn't say a word about a possible trade of Portis. Talked as if he'll be here. They also spoke about Ramsey and Trevor believed Ramsey's agent is responsible for the trade talk not Ramsey.

Trevor thinks a total win for Denver regarding the Champ/Portis trade. He said it could be great for the Skins but there's risk.

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by BurgundyNGold
Winfield is a possibility. But he's like 5'-9'', 188 lbs. I know Darrell Green had thos dimensions, but he ran a 4.17 40 w/ a 38" vertical.

Plus, I don't know how tested he's been. Look at his figures in Spider's earlier post. 6 INTs???

If Law is available, he's the best we're gonna get. IMO, Vincent and Springs are the best available who have not been tagged, and Winfield is right behind them.

Then again... with Sean Taylor in your backfield, maybe Winfield and Smoot would be a killer corder combo. But I'm not sold on Bauman as the nickel corner at all.

agreed

[GloryHog]

New England is 6 mill plus over the salary cap (which surprised me because all the sports hacks are always using them as an example of how it should be done). They need to unload a big salary. I guess we would be doing them a favor by taking Law off their hands.

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by ZClake
i say keep portis.. ty law is gettin old and i like clinton more than ty law... Clinton is better than any of the rbs in the draft anyway

As I understand it, scouts liken Steven Jackson to Eddie George -- a Gibbs back if ever there was. He's a complete back who can run, block and catch with pretty good speed. The only knocks are his occasion upright running style and his first step (like George).

Kevin Jones is considered to be more of the speed back who is a hit-and-miss. While he's also considered to be complete, his lack of size puts him in the Ladanian Tomlinson, Thomas Jones category ... he could go either way.

There is a drop-off to Chris Perry, who some think may be a product of the huge Michigan offensive line. And Greg Jones is a 2-down back w/ questionable receiving and blocking skills and limited speed.

So if RB is your top priority, keep CP. Otherwise, take your chances on Jones or Perry, 'cause Jacskon won't be there at 21.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Originally posted by Skin_Finatic
LOL!!!! Dave Chappelle is hilarious "Charlie Murphy why you hit me'?

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by NCskinsfanatic
"Charlie Murphy why you hit me'?

what did the 5 fingers say to the face...... SLAP.....
hahahaha coooooold bloooooooded
bang bang!!!!

Im rick james b*tch

(WATCH CHAPPELLE show im telling you)

[GloryHog]

Originally posted by BurgundyNGold
As I understand it, scouts liken Steven Jackson to Eddie George -- a Gibbs back if ever there was.

The more I read and hear about Steven Jackson the more I like him. I would love to see him in Burgundy and Gold BurgundyNGold.

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by GloryHog
The more I read and hear about Steven Jackson the more I like him. I would love to see him in Burgundy and Gold BurgundyNGold.

id like to see portis more though :Pickle:

[NCskinsfanatic]

We will probably end up with Eddie George instead of Jackson lol,but I agree Jackson looks good.I just think he will go early to mid first.

[Skin_Finatic]

i hope not:Padawan:

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by GloryHog
The more I read and hear about Steven Jackson the more I like him. I would love to see him in Burgundy and Gold BurgundyNGold.

I agree. It would be somewhat ironic that Stephen Davis be replaced with Steven Jackson. And, as I recall, Stephen Davis had a little problem with upright running his first few years too.

The problem is, Jackson won't get past Pittsburgh @11. He might not even get past Detriot @6. Although, I do like Detroit's RB Artose Pinner and would hope they might hold off a year on drafting a RB to see how he develops.

[GloryHog]

Originally posted by Skin_Finatic
id like to see portis more though :Pickle:

Like I said Fin, a well balanced meal.

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by GloryHog
Like I said Fin, a well balanced meal.

I like One whole cake though

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by Skin_Finatic
what did the 5 fingers say to the face...... SLAP.....
hahahaha coooooold bloooooooded
bang bang!!!!

Im rick james b*tch

(WATCH CHAPPELLE show im telling you)

"Don't never play Prince in some basketball". Charley Murphy's True Hollywoold Stories rules.

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by BurgundyNGold
"Don't never play Prince in some basketball". Charley Murphy's True Hollywoold Stories rules.

your right man he be setting up fruity picks and stuff...... LOL

[hailjoegibbs]

I'd do this trade in a heartbeat. Ty Law and pick 5, 21, 32. You could draft Taylor at 5 and then i'd try to nab up a DE and DT or whatever two best defense players are left. If the draft picks worked out, this would go down as the biggest team building trade since Dallas dealt Hersh Walker to the Vikings. As far as a Joe Gibbs style RB, i'd go out and get Deuce Staley. I bet he'd love to play his old team and burn the Eagles for letting him go. Plus Staley is a big hitting back who ran like a man possessed in the NFC Championship game against the Panthers.

Being a VA Tech grad i'd love to see Jones land in DC, but thinking more practical i'd go defense in the draft. Course I love the old Hogs, and who better but Center Jake Grove from VA Tech to secure the interior line at pick 32.

Regardless, as long as Gibbs is making the calls and not Snyder, i'll be happy with whatever he decides.

[akhhorus]

Originally posted by BurgundyNGold
"Don't never play Prince in some basketball". Charley Murphy's True Hollywoold Stories rules.

Game...Blouses...

Charlie Murphy, why did you hit me...

I wouldnt run my dirty shoes over his nice coach, who told you that...I remember doing that

[akhhorus]

Originally posted by Skin_Finatic
your right man he be setting up fruity picks and stuff...... LOL

Jumper...SHOOT IT lol

[Skin_Finatic]

The thing is all those draft picks could be busts or they could be great.... its too risky.. plus ty law hasnt played in a different system than the great bellichicks. portis, you can tell he is good. he makes great moves and he is very fast.

[BurgundyNGold]

So what's the verdict on WUSA's 11 o'clock news? Did they say anything? How about FOX5 or George Michael? Anything???

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by akhhorus
Jumper...SHOOT IT lol

shoot the J.... SHOOT IT!

[Chief Seeway]

From CBSsportsline.com

Ty Law, considered one of the best cornerbacks in the NFL, and the Patriots are working on restructuring his current deal in order to provide the team with cap relief. One scenario the two sides are discussing is to extend Law's current deal. ... The Providence Journal reports that the Patriots may be interested in the Raiders' Charlie Garner, if the running back decides to opt out of his current deal, which would make him a free agent. ... The Patriots did not exercise their option on running back Antowain Smith on Feb. 8, which makes him an unrestricted free agent. Smith, 31, led the Pats in rushing in each of his three seasons with the

[akhhorus]

I doubt this trade will happen. BB likes big bruiser backs, Portis isnt that. And he's too expensive for them. If it does happen, it will be for the #5 pick

[Redskin006]

law should last a while. corners last a long time. but i would rather trade our first round pick and one of our rbs for law, so we could keep portis.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

*clears throat*

This trade can't happen.

Why? Ty Law's brand-spanking new contract. New as of last year, anyway. He got a $14.5 million bonus. That doesn't just evaporate. About $12 million of it will be accelerated to this year for New England. They're already over the cap, so to pull this trade off would be not only impossible, but suicidal. They just can't do it.

[Skin_Finatic]

portis can carry the load.... he's had games with 30 carries.

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by akhhorus
Jumper...SHOOT IT lol

You all want some pancakes?

[¤Smooooot¤]

The thing is....the Pats dont need a great rb to win. They proved they could with a bad one. If they even got Staley...that would be sick. They wont lose.

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
*clears throat*

This trade can't happen.

Why? Ty Law's brand-spanking new contract. New as of last year, anyway. He got a $14.5 million bonus. That doesn't just evaporate. About $12 million of it will be accelerated to this year for New England. They're already over the cap, so to pull this trade off would be not only impossible, but suicidal. They just can't do it.

thank you, youve calmed me down... hopefully rick james isnt scaring you. He's been scaring some people on this forum already.

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by BurgundyNGold
You all want some pancakes?

Game.........Blouses

[akhhorus]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
*clears throat*

This trade can't happen.

Why? Ty Law's brand-spanking new contract. New as of last year, anyway. He got a $14.5 million bonus. That doesn't just evaporate. About $12 million of it will be accelerated to this year for New England. They're already over the cap, so to pull this trade off would be not only impossible, but suicidal. They just can't do it.

somewhat, youre right, NE cant pay off the bonus this year; but they can restructure it and trade him. The skins can easily take this deal because his base salary is low. I doubt it will happen, but I wouldnt be surprised if the Skins & Pats make a deal involving first rounders: ie the #5 for the pats first rounders, a second rounder and more

[Bishop#11-#56]

Show Charlie Murphy your ti@@ies go head I'm Rick James! I hope they don't pull the strings on this trade. I can't see a corner like Ty Law being that much of an impact. What about Betts for the 21 or 32. What about Trung for one of their waterboys or a hot dog vendor.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Law's none too pleased with the Pats right now, I don't think he's in the mood to restructure. Besides, no matter how they restructure, he'll still demand the same amount of guaranteed money, which means the same cap hit to NE when they trade him.

[GloryHog]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
*clears throat*

This trade can't happen.

Why? Ty Law's brand-spanking new contract. New as of last year, anyway. He got a $14.5 million bonus. That doesn't just evaporate. About $12 million of it will be accelerated to this year for New England. They're already over the cap, so to pull this trade off would be not only impossible, but suicidal. They just can't do it.

Damn, I thought this was to good to be true.

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Law's none too pleased with the Pats right now, I don't think he's in the mood to restructure. Besides, no matter how they restructure, he'll still demand the same amount of guaranteed money, which means the same cap hit to NE when they trade him.

Maybe so. But Ty can restructure a deal with NE with the intent to be traded, then have the Skins give him a new deal w/ a prorated signing bonus and a low cap number for 2 or 3 years. It would be cap-friendly for both teams.

Or... the Skins could send up cash as part of the deal, but that isn't done very often in NFL trades.

It's a lot to ask, but as you said he's none too happy w/ the Pats right now.

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by Bishop#11-#56
Show Charlie Murphy your ti@@ies go head I'm Rick James! I hope they don't pull the strings on this trade. I can't see a corner like Ty Law being that much of an impact. What about Betts for the 21 or 32. What about Trung for one of their waterboys or a hot dog vendor.

LOL at the chappelle sayings and the trung candidate trade

[hailjoegibbs]

Course if we could trade Gardner for a 2nd rounder which we could draft defense with, i'd be tempted to take 6'5 230 WR Mike Williams at pick 5.

If portis gets shipped what do you guys think about Staley in Gibbs system?

[Skin_Finatic]

with all this portis talk happening. I don't even want duce anymore

[GloryHog]

Originally posted by Bishop#11-#56
What about Betts for the 21 or 32. What about Trung for one of their waterboys or a hot dog vendor.

I think Betts might get a 121. You're right on with Trung though.

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by hailjoegibbs
Course if we could trade Gardner for a 2nd rounder which we could draft defense with, i'd be tempted to take 6'5 230 WR Mike Williams at pick 5.

If portis gets shipped what do you guys think about Staley in Gibbs system?

I think he'd be Byner, 15 years later. He is really a well-ronded back. A great blocker and an even better receiver. So is Garner, for that matter.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Originally posted by BurgundyNGold
Maybe so. But Ty can restructure a deal with NE with the intent to be traded, then have the Skins give him a new deal w/ a prorated signing bonus and a low cap number for 2 or 3 years. It would be cap-friendly for both teams.

Or... the Skins could send up cash as part of the deal, but that isn't done very often in NFL trades.

It's a lot to ask, but as you said he's none too happy w/ the Pats right now.

Send cash? It's not the cash that matters, it's the cap space. You can't send that.

I can't even remember a player and team restructuring a contract just so the guy could be traded....

[akhhorus]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Law's none too pleased with the Pats right now, I don't think he's in the mood to restructure. Besides, no matter how they restructure, he'll still demand the same amount of guaranteed money, which means the same cap hit to NE when they trade him.

right thats why I think any trade with the pats will involve draft picks and no players

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by GloryHog
I think Betts might get a 121. You're right on with Trung though.

What exactly has Betts done to be worthy of a 1st round pick? Or for that matter, the original 2nd round pick he cost in 2002? His whopping 3.3 YPC last year?

New Orleans was willing to give us a 2nd rounder for him last year. They should have done it, because he was a reach.

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by akhhorus
right thats why I think any trade with the pats will involve draft picks and no players

then I would defintly hate this trade if we dont get law.

[Skinzaholic]

There is some guy in his late 30's who still lives with his mother and spends his weekends at his computer laighing his head off because he just started a rumor which kept this board busy for half a day!

[BurgundyNGold]

If we didn't get Law, it would just be 2 first rounders (21 and 32) for Portis, right? Wouldn't that be the same as Champ for two first rounders? You could still sign Springs or Winfield, but you'd have no RB.

[GloryHog]

Originally posted by BurgundyNGold
What exactly has Betts done to be worthy of a 1st round pick? Or for that matter, the original 2nd round pick he cost in 2002? His whopping 3.3 YPC last year?

New Orleans was willing to give us a 2nd rounder for him last year. They should have done it, because he was a reach.

Thats what I'm saying, 121 is in the lower middle 4th round. That's all I'd expect anyone to give for him.

[VTSkins897]

i called it... obv. bs

[Skin_Finatic]

it would make me sick to get rid of portis and pick up someone not at his caliber like staley... but hey this offseason has been crazy. I dont know what were gonna do next.

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Send cash? It's not the cash that matters, it's the cap space. You can't send that.

I can't even remember a player and team restructuring a contract just so the guy could be traded....

So, if the Skins sent cash as part of the deal that counted against their cap, if couldn't be applied to the NE cap?

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Nope.

[GloryHog]

Originally posted by BurgundyNGold
If we didn't get Law, it would just be 2 first rounders (21 and 32) for Portis, right? Wouldn't that be the same as Champ for two first rounders? You could still sign Springs or Winfield, but you'd have no RB.

I would still do that, not nearly as sexy as the first rumor.

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by GloryHog
Thats what I'm saying, 121 is in the lower middle 4th round. That's all I'd expect anyone to give for him.

Oh. I'm sorry, when you said 121 I thought you meant 1(21) -- New Englands 1st round pick, 21st overall.

Sure, I agree with that, although New Orleans might still give us a 2nd or a 3rd. Who's the backup for McAllister? I think Ki-Jana Carter is working at UPS.

[Skin_Finatic]

BAHHH gloryhog

[Bishop#11-#56]

The idea of Mike Williams is intrigueing so what about this? As much as I love Sean Taylor what about taking Williams instead and just being able to stretch the hell out of the field and put up more points than Bowen gives up.

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by Bishop#11-#56
The idea of Mike Williams is intrigueing so what about this? As much as I love Sean Taylor what about taking Williams instead and just being able to stretch the hell out of the field and put up more points than Bowen gives up.

If Dan gets #21 and #32 from New England, it's entirely possible that he could package them both to move up, ala 2000. In fact, he would love to make that splash. You might end up with both.

Who knows, maybe we'll get lucky and a Mike Ditka will come out of the woodwork to trade their whole draft for our #5. LOL!

[Skins57]

Bishop#11-#56, welcome to hR gald you joined us here.

Taking Williams would allow us to trade Gardner for another pick but I will have to deciede if I want Sean more than Williams... too late at night my mind is dead :D

[ChartresBlue]

Just a little bit of info about Ty Law's contract:

1. it is not new, it is actually 5 years old (entering the 6th year of a 7 year contract signed in 1999).

2. the $8.75 mil figure for base salary reported by the Boston Herald is incorrect. That is the base salary for 2005. The 2004 base salary is $6.15 mil ( $5.65 mil + $ 500k due to escalator/incentive clauses for the pro bowl and a super bowl win). There is also a $1 mil reporting bonus and a $105,600 workout bonus. For the pats, this amounts to a $10.4+ mil cap figure.

3. If they were to cut/trade him then they will have $5.4 mil accelerated onto the 2004 cap. If they wait until after June 1 to cut him then it will be only $2.7 mil.

All told, they have the cap space to pay him. I would be very surprised if any of this is anything more than rumor.

[GloryHog]

Originally posted by Skin_Finatic
BAHHH gloryhog

Relax Fin, it doesn't seem possible for Portis to be going to New England in light of the salary cap situation that Mr. Shmoe has brought to our attention. I just feel like we really, really need to come up with some draft picks.

[Bishop#11-#56]

Thanks this is a great site its good to see a Ken Harvey fan. I was really questioning the idea of trading Portis until I saw we could trade 21 and 32 and move up to get Williams and Taylor but I don't see anyone giving up a top ten pick for 21-32. I like the idea of shopping Gardner and Betts as well as Hasselback made a little splash last year when he played. I was also wondering if we could sign Duce and send him for picks. Vinny Cerrato is like Michael Douglas in Wall Street he can make stuff happen I'd be curious to see what he could work out. Moss is cancer in the clubhouse but a sign and trade for him maybe a couple young guys might be an idea.

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by ChartresBlue
Just a little bit of info about Ty Law's contract:

1. it is not new, it is actually 5 years old (entering the 6th year of a 7 year contract signed in 1999).

2. the $8.75 mil figure for base salary reported by the Boston Herald is incorrect. That is the base salary for 2005. The 2004 base salary is $6.15 mil ( $5.65 mil + $ 500k due to escalator/incentive clauses for the pro bowl and a super bowl win). There is also a $1 mil reporting bonus and a $105,600 workout bonus. For the pats, this amounts to a $10.4+ mil cap figure.

3. If they were to cut/trade him then they will have $5.4 mil accelerated onto the 2004 cap. If they wait until after June 1 to cut him then it will be only $2.7 mil.

All told, they have the cap space to pay him. I would be very surprised if any of this is anything more than rumor.

I agree. Belechick has gained a reputation of being very prudent, and sending 2 first rounders along with possibly the best CB in the game for a RB, even if it is CP doesn't really add up.

It's as bad a deal as the Skins including their 2nd round pick with Bailey for Portis. I can see Dan overpaying - he does it all the time. But not Belechick.

[Skins57]

Welcome to hR ChartresBlue, so glad you could join us.

good first post

[Coloradoskin]

Speaking of Ken Harvey, I wonder what the old Stud is up too these days... is he still in the DC area or not ?

[BurgundyNGold]

While Ty Law's salary is a big cap hit, having 4 or 5 picks in the first 2 rounds (or whatever NE has) will not do anything good for your wallet this year. Those picks are going to be expensive. It might make better sense for the Super Bowl champions to trade those picks away.

I dunno. Its too late. Signing off.

[Skins57]

I believe so. I would bet Kenny or Mike would be the ones to anwser that question. I know he held his charity function locally last year

[MrWiggles]

Originally posted by Coloradoskin
This all is making me crazy... especially as I see Rick James waving at me every 4th post.. :)

Seeing Rick James wave at me is the only thing keeping me sane.

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by GloryHog
Relax Fin, it doesn't seem possible for Portis to be going to New England in light of the salary cap situation that Mr. Shmoe has brought to our attention. I just feel like we really, really need to come up with some draft picks.

yeah I know what your sayin... its not that fun watchin the draft when your team has only 1 good pick.

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by MrWiggles
Seeing Rick James wave at me is the only thing keeping me sane.

lol we have mixed feelings about rick james in this forum. :D

[sammy]

Is that ricky williams or rick james?????

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by sammy
Is that ricky williams or rick james????? :funpost: :funpost: :funpost: :funpost: :funpost: :funpost: :funpost:

[akhhorus]

Originally posted by sammy
Is that ricky williams or rick james?????

I'm Rick Williams B*tch! Jay Fielder, why did you slap me?

[Yudolindo]

Corners play well even after they are over thirty and they have a longer average NFL life than running backs. Good running backs grow on trees compared to even decent corners, so if this rumor is true, we have to take it quite seriously. To say that there is no one in this draft who will rush for 1500 yards is a pretty bold assumption: think, for example, of all the running backs Denver has had in the last few years and where they were drafted. Good running backs can be had in any round of the draft and this draft has value at the position. There is a guy who, if he could get his act together, may have as much physical ability if not more than any RB in the NFL. So, who knows, but picks plus Law is a solid deal.

[ChartresBlue]

There is no question that the pats will trade about 4 of their 7 picks in the first 4 rounds. I imagine they are taking stock in what the 2005 draft may have and see if they can parley a 2 into a future 1 or what have you. Also Piolicheck have a history of trying to make small leaps in the draft (5-10 positions within the same round).

One thing I would be surprised with is if the Skins do not try to trade down and stockpile some picks for defense in a very deep draft. I just do not see a single player worth the 5th overall that fills Gibbs' needs when there are quite a few that will from picks 10 through the second round. The 'skins do not have a 5-11 team. With proper coaching they can do quite a lot. Just look what He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named was able to do in Dallas.

[Skin_Finatic]

Originally posted by akhhorus
I'm Rick Williams B$tch! Charlie Fielder, why did you slap me?

jay fiedler????? dont you mean charlie murphy LOL...

[akhhorus]

The Pats are wetting themselves over either: Sean Taylor, Mike Williams or Stephan Jackson. They WANT one of them, lets make them pay for their desire. two firsts, a second and a third.

[VASkins]

with all the rumors flying around im just going to say trust gibbs here, whatever he does is best for the team...lets evaluate this team after the season starts and we play some games, not before any speculated moves even happen.

[LadyNRedskinsfan]

wow! this thread i s up to 16 pages and its too late for me to read all of them....so im just going to say that i would really like this deal if i wasnt so happy to have portis here with the redskins. i had my heart set on this guy being our franchise back and it would be a serious buzz kill if he were traded.

[sammy]

I agree, wake me up when the season starts

my heart cant take much more of this.

[Yudolindo]

Originally posted by akhhorus
The Pats are wetting themselves over either: Sean Taylor, Mike Williams or Stephan Jackson. They WANT one of them, lets make them pay for their desire. two firsts, a second and a third.

There two firsts and second round selection are not worth our one pick. We would be better served trading down to 7-13 with the many, many teams that want Taylor, a QB, or Fitzgerald, for example. If necessary, at that position, we could trade down again with a team who wanted a RB, DT or DE. I would not trade with them unless they added some talent or at the very least some selections next year.

[akhhorus]

Originally posted by Yudolindo
There two firsts and second round selection are not worth our one pick. We would be better served trading down to 7-13 with the many, many teams that want Taylor, a QB, or Fitzgerald, for example. If necessary, at that position, we could trade down again with a team who wanted a RB, DT or DE. I would not trade with them unless they added some talent or at the very least some selections next year.

well I think its a given that the skins will trade down, either to Houston for the #10 and their second rounder or to the Pats for a package of picks

[SonnyandSam]

The more I think about this rumor with New England, the more certain I am that it is BS. Consider.....IF New England wanted Portis, why not offer the two first round picks and Ty Law to Denver. For Denver, Ty Law and 2 1st round picks is MUCH better than just Champ Bailey.

Denver should be dropping the trade with the Skins and talking to NE. But they are not. So I think it is all just BS.

[SkinsKY]

Originally posted by Spider
Not a Bad list .......
Couritsy of Winston Cup Bronco over at Mane ............
Here they are, starting from 1999, Champ's rookie season:

Games played

Bailey - 80
Surtain - 77
McAlister - 76
Law - 75
Winfield - 72
Woodson - 71
Starks- 56

Tackles

Bailey - 329
Winfield - 313
Law - 284
Woodson - 240
McAlister - 224
Surtain - 196
Starks - 185

Interceptions

Surtain - 23
Bailey - 18
Law - 17
Starks - 17
McAlister - 14
Woodson - 10
Winfield - 6

Passes defensed

McAlister - 63
Bailey - 62
Starks - 49
Law - 45
Surtain - 43
Woodson - 40
Winfield - 37

Age on opening day 2004

Bailey - 26
McAlister - 27
Winfield - 27
Surtain - 28
Woodson - 28
Law - 30
Starks - 30

This is interesting for those who said Champ's stats didn't support him being considered the best. Sure it's a moot point, but nice for me to see.

[akhhorus]

CornerBack is one of the hardest positions to judge and the stats never tell you anything: Deion never had a lot of INTs, tackles or Passes Defended, but he is considered the best cover corner ever

[IowaSkinsFan]

I would send Portis to NE for 2 1st's and Law! In a heartbeat.