Kiper says Redskins likely will trade down

[hailskins]

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[soch21]

mel kiper says where going to trade out of the #5 spot!!!!
i hope not i want shawn taylor!!!

[soccmarvin]

I can see us trading down though, We do need picks and if we trade down to Houstons 10 spot we can get Udeze and more picks and we really need them, I want Taylor too but I also believe we can get by with just Iffy and Bowen.

[RichardBradley]

We need to get some pass rush from somewhere...

[akhhorus]

I dont think he'll be there when the skins pick: I think someone might trade up for him, if the Texans offer a package of picks I might do it

[natgbz]

I think we might be forced to...somewhat; mainly just to grab a couple more talent laiden rookie prospects who can fill in when the injuries mount and add some depth. Do I want Taylor? Yeah, but you have to get realistic (unless we trade one of our players for a draft trade or something). Also I'd be happy with what Kiper's saying (Udeze at #10 works for me).

[ArRiNgToN_56]

I could beat mel kiper up....

[RichardBradley]

Originally posted by ArRiNgToN_56
I could beat mel kiper up....






Be careful his head is made of kevalar

[SkinsCT]

The more time goes on and the fewer defensive lineman available makes me agree that we're going to trade down. Udeze at #10 along with a 2nd or a 3rd and 4th sounds mighty fine right now. People can say overrated all they want, the numbers speak for themselves in a conference that is notoriously weak in defensive players.

[VirginiaRedskin]

Good! I think trading down is our best option with only two picks.

[coleman51]

Yeah, I think they should trade down. This team needs DL much more than S. Maybe they can pick 2 DL by trading down. If they can get a decent pass rush, that can hide DB deficiencies.

[BurgundyNGold]

It looks like DT Coleman has signed with Atlanta. So, now we pretty much have to trade down.

Go from 1.05 to 1.10, picking up Houston's #2. If DT Tommie Harris is there at 10, grab him then get DE Marquise Hill at #2. If Harris is gone, draft Udeze at 1.10 and get DT Darnell Dockett or DT Marcus Tubbs.

[VirginiaRedskin]

I much much rather trade down and add a defensive lineman or two and whatever else falls into our hands (linebacker or safety in later rounds). I have read with humor how many people are saying the Safety position is under-rated, almost trying to rationalize their facination with Taylor. Yes, I have seen him play, live too. Is he good? Yes. Is he the fifth best player to help our team? I am not buying. Put it this way, it is a position on the field where a domiant player is not necessary. However, to have a domiant safety with holes in the defensive front and linebacker corps would be a foolish move. I believe Gibbs knows this and will trade down if a reasonable offer is out there.

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by VirginiaRedskin
I much much rather trade down and add a defensive lineman or two and whatever else falls into our hands (linebacker or safety in later rounds). I have read with humor how many people are saying the Safety position is under-rated, almost trying to rationalize their facination with Taylor. Yes, I have seen him play, live too. Is he good? Yes. Is he the fifth best player to help our team? I am not buying. Put it this way, it is a position on the field where a domiant player is not necessary. However, to have a domiant safety with holes in the defensive front and linebacker corps would be a foolish move. I believe Gibbs knows this and will trade down if a reasonable offer is out there.

Well, even if we traded 1.05 for 1.10 and a 2.XX, there still aren't any "later rounds". We only have a 5th, unless we trade 1.10 down to pick up more picks. This is actually not a bad idea, if you can still pick up Randy Starks around 16-22. He's a beast.

[BurgundyNGold]

OK, Appease me Dan. If you're not going to sign another DT or DE, sign Deon Grant at S so I can at least feel better about trading down for DL in the draft.

[truant]

I think Udeze at 10 is becoming more and more of a reality. The top 10 is packed with quality players.

The decison will come on draft day. I think we'll look at Sean Taylor and we'll field trade offers from other teams. If someone really wants him (or whoever slips to 5) then we'll consider it.

Right now i see 50/50 between Taylor and trading down. If the FO is comfortable with the D-line and depth at certain postions, we might just take Taylor who can come in and upgrade us right away. This team wants to win now.

Or, if we find that we need a D lineman after mini-camp or depth at other positions, or a team just gives us an offer we can't refuse, we move down.

I think it's safe to assume that either Taylor, Udeze, Harris, Starks,Wilfork and maybe even Winslow will be on the team next year (way to narrow it down, huh).

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

I think there are only 2 ways:

1:
-Grant in
-No more FA DL
-Taylor out
-Trade down
-Draft DL

2:
-No FA S
-1 or 2 more DL in FA
-Stuck at 5th
-Taylor in

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by LaVarGreen2856
I think there are only 2 ways:

1:
-Grant in
-No more FA DL
-Taylor out
-Trade down
-Draft DL

2:
-No FA S
-1 or 2 more DL in FA
-Stuck at 5th
-Taylor in

Maybe a third. This could work without signing Grant. If we *have* to trade down due to the thinning of the DL in the FA pool then:

3:
- Pass on Grant, any FA Safety
- Trade down to 10 w/ Houston (who wants Taylor), picking up a 2nd
- Trade down again to New England (who wants Steven Jackson), picking up their 21 and 32.
- Pickup one or more DT, a DE and a S (Sean Jones).

Hah?

[straightupbeast]

hey man bryan barket can beat up mel kiper

[SkinsKY]

I'm not sure why people feel that Safety is a need. Yeah, the position can be upgraded, but it is not so bad that it requires a new player. People seem to think that Bowen and Iffy suck. They're not the greatest, but I think Iffy has a lot of potential and both have done fairly well given the situation. Why do people assume that we have to either sign someone or draft someone? It sounds like we're playing high schollers at that position. Fix the Dline and we won't have to spend money on another Safety.

Wit the signings piling up along with contract dollars, I think it's in our best interest to avoid any unecessary signings (of which I think Safety is one of them).

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by SkinsKY
I'm not sure why people feel that Safety is a need. Yeah, the position can be upgraded, but it is not so bad that it requires a new player. People seem to think that Bowen and Iffy suck. They're not the greatest, but I think Iffy has a lot of potential and both have done fairly well given the situation. Why do people assume that we have to either sign someone or draft someone? It sounds like we're playing high schollers at that position. Fix the Dline and we won't have to spend money on another Safety.

Wit the signings piling up along with contract dollars, I think it's in our best interest to avoid any unecessary signings (of which I think Safety is one of them).

I somewhat disagree. While I agree with our need to put DL first, our safeties get vicimized year after year after year. This has got to be a priority... after DL.

[MrWiggles]

What about trading the #5 for the Pats #21 and #32? I think that is a real possibility if either M. Williams or L. Fitzgerald are still available at #5. The Pats could use a monster WR and we could certainly use the extra picks, particularly if we are done addressing our D-line through FA. With the depth in this draft I think we could get some quality D-linemen for cheap at those two spots.

[natgbz]

I dunno about you folks but I've got a thing for Ohalate and Bauman.

[rskinsfan10]

Kiper says we are likely to trade down?

Wow, that's genius at work....

[rskinsfan10]

Merged

[hail2skins]

Originally posted by BurgundyNGold
I somewhat disagree. While I agree with our need to put DL first, our safeties get vicimized year after year after year. This has got to be a priority... after DL.

So, why do our safeties get victimized?

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Originally posted by hail2skins
So, why do our safeties get victimized?

I promise you that it's not because we couldn't rush the passer if oue D-linemen were driving snowplows. Not at all. At all. I swear.

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[VirginiaRedskin]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BurgundyNGold
Well, even if we traded 1.05 for 1.10 and a 2.XX, there still aren't any "later rounds". We only have a 5th, unless we trade 1.10 down to pick up more picks. This is actually not a bad idea, if you can still pick up Randy Starks around 16-22. He's a beast. [/QUOTE

That is what I am saying. Trade down for more pics. I used to marvel at what Jimmy Johnson used to do with the draft. So many gems after round one to be found. I much rather take a chance with several players than only two, regardless of how good some people might think they are.

[badpigs442]

Houston selected Tony Hollings in the supplamental draft; that voids their best second round pick this year. Bummer. They still have a lower one.

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by hail2skins
So, why do our safeties get victimized?

Aside from what Joe says, which is part of it, Redskins safeties have traditionally been too slow (Shade), too small (Terrell) or always playing out of position (take your pick).

How many times over the past few years have we seen Champ or Smoot with their hands on their hips because they thought they had safety help up top - but didn't?

How many times do opposing teams run skinny posts up the seam with a WR or TE in the slot with impunity, while our safeties look like they've never seen it before?

When was the last time (outside of practice) that our safeties have put the big hurt on any receiver coming across the middle?

And when was the last time a Redskins safety got (gulp) a sack?! My guess is Alvin Walton, and that's going WAY back.

When our safeties don't or can't do these things, the whole defense gets victimized. These are things that at best an opposing offense doesn't have to account for and at worst can gameplan to expose.

We've ignored the position for years. What do we get? David Terrell, the failed experiement at S couldn't be knocked off the starting lineup for 3 years! THREE!!! That's just sad. Iffy is an unsigned FA who is still learning on the job, whether we like it or not. Lott is a bust to this point. Things were so sad that we had to acquire Bowen as a RFA. He seems to be adequate, at least in run support.

Now we may not need Sean Taylor, but we'd better upgrade at least one of our safeties to make the middle a no man's land.

[cheva11]

Houston still has there 2nd rd pick.Tony hollings was taken with a 2nd rd pick the texans recievied from Oak.The texans will trade with the skins this yr. and taylor will be a Texan.The skins will either get our 1st /2nd and a lower pick or the 2nd rd pick for Henson if we are able to trade him.

[ArRiNgToN_56]

Originally posted by SkinsKY
I'm not sure why people feel that Safety is a need. Yeah, the position can be upgraded, but it is not so bad that it requires a new player. People seem to think that Bowen and Iffy suck. They're not the greatest, but I think Iffy has a lot of potential and both have done fairly well given the situation. Why do people assume that we have to either sign someone or draft someone? It sounds like we're playing high schollers at that position. Fix the Dline and we won't have to spend money on another Safety.

Wit the signings piling up along with contract dollars, I think it's in our best interest to avoid any unecessary signings (of which I think Safety is one of them).

Its not the position that matters, when you have a Player like Sean Taylor in your grasp you don't trade down you take him.

[Patrick]

Hmmmmm ..... trading down is the way I think we'll go too (at this point). BUT I'll bet that Gibbs&CO + Vinny figure out a way to take that #5 pick and roll it into three picks in the top 50. My though: Starks ..... Ball ...... the best TE or S on the board.

[akhhorus]

I dont think they will trade down unless someone really makes a good offer: If Mike Williams, one of the QBs, Gallery are there someone will get the fidgits and get desperate. Depending how far down, the skins could pick up a second and a third. Also the Pats have made it clear they want to move up(they say they're interested in Stephen Jackson, but I bet they're going for Roy Williams) Id make them pay through the nose(2 1sts, a second and a fourth)

[NCskinsfanatic]

I dont think you always take the best guy no matter what in the draft.If that was the case we wouldnt have traded with New Orleans and gave up Ricky Williams and still acquired Champ in the process.But IMO at that time we needed a CB worse than a future pro bowl back and we did the smart thing.

This time we need D-line help a lot worse than we need a S.I agree he can make plays and I wouldnt be disappointed if we were to draft him.But we have to fix the D-line first.Bowen and Iffy are decent and as proven by Carolina a good D-line negates average secondary play.Just like a pro bowl qb and RB behind bad lines only look average.It all starts upfront.

I think if all goes according to plan and we have only the #5 pick in the draft we have to trade down.We still need 2 D-lineman,a back up O-lineman and possibly a S.

[joeisgod]

I don't want them to trade down but i think that it is there only option.

[bigcmr]

Trade down thats all I have to say