What If ... Portis fails to Dazzle??

[easymobee]

Would you be disappointed? If CP gets 1150 yds on a 4.3 Avg.?

Seems as if Redskins faithful are expecting at least 1500 yds out of Clinton this year.

1700-1800 seems to be about the average expected production. While 2000 yds seems to be the Optimistic goal in mind.

Meanwhile the word "System Back" is turning into a dirty word. Well, while it's a known fact that CP is talented and has burst ... it is true too that Denver churns out RB's.

Olandis Gary got 1200 yds in 12 games for the Broncos his rookie year.

Mike Anderson got to 1490 in his rookie year despite only starting 12 games and set the NFL single game Rookie Rushing record against the Saints (240 + yds).

We know that Olandis can't do it anywhere else like he did it in Denver .... We can assume that Anderson couldn't do it anywhere else either. The reason Clinton appers to be above the system is the fact that he is a Sexy talent. He played for the Hurricanes and he certainly acts the part of a Superstar ( Just wait until you see what he'll be wearing for his post game interviews ). I just can't help but feel that he's going to go downward now that he has moved on. He is still ( as long as healthy ) gonna get his 1000 yds and make SportsCenter here and there, but i don't think that he's gonna rip off 1700 at 5.5 a carry this year.

A: He was running for dollar signs the last 2 years .... he's not running for those anymore.
B: Over the next 5 years, i'd be surprised if he played all 16 games more than once.
C: For whatever reason, CP was passed over by every team the year he was drafted ... thats why Shanahan drafted him so high when it was our lowest area of need.

Anyhow .... Good Luck with Clinton and i hope that you don't think that i'm trying to prove that Denver won the trade or anything like that. It's just that now that CP isn't a Bronco i'm tending to look at things through un-biased eyes .... much as a year ago to this day your guy was named Champ and was as good as they come and now his name is Chump and he is vastly overrated.
In Denver, the guys that would seem to be the ones that should be sweating the most about letting their Stud RB go to another team are the ones that are walking around with crooked smiles. To the very team that Dan Reeves tried to trade John Elway to for Jay Schroeder and Gerald Riggs no less.

Anyhow it'll be interesting to see how it all turns out, this trade ties our franchises together for the next 5 years or so. I'm sure i've missed an official prediction thread by now, but here is my prediction for CP in 2004.

1300 yards 4.6 average. 11 tds.

[joethefan]

In the NFC East...come on Mobee...spend a little time with us ...we'll bring you to the light....lolol

In the NFC to me 1150 = 1350 in the AFC...the defenses don;t play as soft than the AFC...remember, he won't be playing KC AND SD. He'll be going up against Dallas, Phila, and NY not to mention Carolina...and others...don't worry as long as he reaches the old Hogs Goal which was 3.2 yards a carry on first and second then you can hit them on 3rd and 4....play action baby...

Just stick around we'll help you through the tough times brah!!!!

Finallt to answer your question ...no I wouldn't be upset.

[KingButz]

Expectations are high, no doubt. But no, I won't be disappointed simply because he probably won't get 1500. Maybe the ball will be in the air too much for him to get that kind of yardage.

I don't know...

http://www.abandon-hope.com/images/Portis.jpg

[akhhorus]

BURN THE WITCH!!! lol

[CowboyKilla]

clinton will get his. count on it.

[JoeDaSchmoe]

I don't think he'll hit 1,500.

And Buts, that is a kickass sig. Did you make it yourself?

[IowaSkinsFan]

I think our passing attack will (should) be better than that of the Broncos and therefore we won't have quite the dependency on Portis as the Broncos had, so yes he might have fewer yards than he did with the Broncos.

[IowaSkinsFan]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
I don't think he'll hit 1,500.

And Buts, that is a kickass sig. Did you make it yourself?

It is a great sig.....First one I have seen where somebody used Ohalete!

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Originally posted by robert
It is a great sig.....First one I have seen where somebody used Ohalete!

Erm.... That's sarcasm, right? (You should smile and nod right here if the answer's no)

[soccmarvin]

Honestly I think Portis will get 1,500 yards this season. But if he gets 1,000 or over I'll be happy compared to past years aka Trung. Portis will get plenty of yards with Gibbs and I don't think we have to worry about him getting those yards. They will come!!!! Go CP! and Hail to the Redskins!

[IowaSkinsFan]

Originally posted by JoeDaSchmoe
Erm.... That's sarcasm, right? (You should smile and nod right here if the answer's no)

Darrell Green? (The ball is covering up part of the number 8)

[Death_Venom]

Personally with Bugel handling the O-Line I think Portis wil be just fie (1200 yrds). I am pretty sure we will have a very good passing and running attack which will relieve us being forced to either RUN or PASS the ball............Besides with Portis there I am sure we will see plenty of "Play-Action-Pass" plays being run (the temptation would be far to great for Gibbs to pass up)...............

[davepharmd]

Riggins never reached 1500 & he's in the HOF--but he did score a boat-load of TD's. I agree with the post above--1150 in the NFC = 1350 in the AFC. He may not rack up the huge yards but he will be in the 14-18 TD range.

[truant]

Wins.

That's the stat to look at next year.

1000 yards isn't a big deal. IF (big if) Portis stays healthy for 14 games, he'll go over 1400 yards.

[lsuredskin]

What if, what if , what if.. We are baseing our enthusiasm on what he has proven to do, two years in a row. Why shouldn't we assume he would continue to be productive. Just because Tiger Woods has more money than he could ever spend does that mean he doesn't want to win anymore or play his best??

[dj_stouty]

Originally posted by Death_Venom
Personally with Bugel handling the O-Line I think Portis wil be just fine

I agree.

If Portis is a "System Back" then he is in luck since he is going to a team with a "SYSTEM" which focuses on Offensive line dominance. This isn't Kim Helton's Oline...this is Buges' Oline!

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Originally posted by robert
Darrell Green? (The ball is covering up part of the number 8)

Clinton Portis....

[skinswin'emALL]

Found this in an OLD thread from Broncos board. It's a highlite clip of Broncos 2002 season.

It doesnt show Portis until near the end. But it's worth it.

1st a TD run from scrimage, right up the middle with an awsome burst of speed and then a RECEPTION in which he makes at least 3 defenders miss.......AMAZING.

Yards from scrimage and opening up the whole passing game will be a big part what CP brings to Washington

http://boss.streamos.com/real/sportslinenfl/nflfilmstv/g2demand/s2002/nflcom/w23/broncos_highlight_300k.ram

[Skin_Finatic]

Yeah, w ehave coles to ya know :)

[bball7980]

I disagree with the trade for CP but I can't help it I am excited about what could happen. I think he is a product of denver's system but we very easily could have the best OL in the league next year.

[Monk4HOF]

Runningbacks are successful for three reasons, only one of the reasons being that they are talented themselves. The other two reasons are:

1. Good O-line
2. Good scheme

The reason that Gary has not been successful anywhere else is because he didn't go to a team that had the other two factors. And on top of that, he is not as talented as Portis to begin with.

It is safe to say with Bugel, Gibbs, Zampese in town and with the talent we have on the O-line, that Portis should continue the excellent start to his career. It may take a month to get some continuity going, but that is Gibbs forte. Gibbs can put a team together faster than most coaches, remember the success of the Redskins strike replacement teams? They key to the equations is Gibbs. Many of the sports writers have short memories.

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by Monk4HOF
Runningbacks are successful for three reasons, only one of the reasons being that they are talented themselves. The other two reasons are:

1. Good O-line
2. Good scheme

The reason that Gary has not been successful anywhere else is because he didn't go to a team that had the other two factors. And on top of that, he is not as talented as Portis to begin with.

It is safe to say with Bugel, Gibbs, Zampese in town and with the talent we have on the O-line, that Portis should continue the excellent start to his career. It may take a month to get some continuity going, but that is Gibbs forte. Gibbs can put a team together faster than most coaches, remember the success of the Redskins strike replacement teams? They key to the equations is Gibbs. Many of the sports writers have short memories.

Gary and Quentin Griffin are good because they have the other two factors and because they are acceptable (average) running backs (see Timmy Smith). Portis was great in Denver and will eventually be great here because he had and will have all 3.

If you only have a talented RB, its a very rare case that the RB can overcome that and shine (see Barry Sanders). If you have all 3, you will be a force to be reckoned with in the league.

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally posted by BurgundyNGold
Gary and Quentin Griffin are good because they have the other two factors and because they are acceptable (average) running backs (see Timmy Smith). Portis was great in Denver and will eventually be great here because he had and will have all 3.

If you only have a talented RB, its a very rare case that the RB can overcome that and shine (see Barry Sanders). If you have all 3, you will be a force to be reckoned with in the league.

BTW, that is the reason Gary sucked in Buffalo and sucks in Detroit. Quentin Griffin would suck on most teams too.

[skins74]

If he got 1150 yards or whatever we would all be disapointed. If he stays healthy he will get more than 1500. You can quote me on that. You can take that to the bank.

[straightupbeast]

hes a quick back who can break it to the outside so i think he'll have at least 1500 yards next year

[BurgundyNGold]

The Redskins have never had a 1500 yard back -- even in Gibbs' heyday. It's a pretty bold, and IMO, shakey statement to say that Portis will have 1500 yards.

Do I think he can get 1500? Absolutely. In fact I think he's capable of 2000+ at some point in his career. But history doesn't give me the luxury or predicting it.

[TwistyNiblet]

I think Portis will be the featured part of Gibbs' offense. He will dazzle, just you wait.

[skinswin'emALL]

Originally posted by BurgundyNGold
The Redskins have never had a 1500 yard back -- even in Gibbs' heyday. It's a pretty bold, and IMO, shakey statement to say that Portis will have 1500 yards.

Do I think he can get 1500? Absolutely. In fact I think he's capable of 2000+ at some point in his career. But history doesn't give me the luxury or predicting it.

The skins have never had a back with the combonation of power and home run threat everytime he touches the ball -- the big runs are what a 1500+ backs needs to reach that (among other things)

[skinswin]

I have no doubt Portis will put 1500 yards on the board. And 18 TD's too.

[Marlboro Red]

I have the same prediction as Skinswin. Anything less would show that I don't trust Gibbs and Co. to fix the offense. They obviously have the talent to work with, so I don't expect a dropoff in production from Portis. I don't think he will get hurt either.

[Python]

::What If ... Portis fails to Dazzle??
Would you be disappointed? If CP gets 1150 yds on a 4.3 Avg.?::

No I wouldn't be disappointed. But Maybe you should ask yourself "What If...Bailey fails to dazzle?"
$63 million is alot of money.

My prediction for Bailey is - 10 passes defended...3 INT's.

[Odyn]

The thing with Portis is...he can go a whole game with 3-4 yards a carry...then break a random huge long run for like 80...he's a random back and thus is a threat at 16:00 in the first quarter and at 00:01 in the fourth. He was good at Miami because he can swivel and redirect his momentum. He also has the ability to see holes and weaknesses. The only running back like that in the present era of Skins ball is Stephen Davis but he didn't have the speed and agility of Portis. Portis also missed three games because the Broncos did not want him getting hurt for the playoffs (unfortunetly Manning and Co. took the running game out of the picture)

Portis will dazzle. He can catch, run and make people miss.

People have also said that Denver has a system. And that is true. They teach their running backs to think with the offensive line. Joe Gibbs teaches a similar method with some different formations but the theory remains the same. In order to have a good running system your line has to be coherent and cohesive force. Bugel and company teach that, Kim Helton teaches the linemen to block their man. If you watch Denver's film you will see the linemen shed the defensive line apart or to the side. That is how the Gibbs system works and so I expect Portis to be a very good back.

[Yudolindo]

The key to dealing with anxiety is not to add “what ifs” upon fears, but rather to accept, surrender and let time pass. I am not going to start “what ifing,” Clinton Portis unless he really stinks it up. What’s done is done, now get me another DE and a DT, stay healthy and then perhaps I can enjoy a worry free off-season.

[straightupbeast]

there will never be a worry-free offseason

[BurgundyNGold]

Portis will give the defens emore to worry about than just a runner. You have to account for him on every play, like Ahman Green in Green Bay. And when you let your guard down... BANG!80 yards later - TOUCHDOWN, WASHINGTON REDKSINS!

[hailskins]

As long as we win, no one will care about how many yards Portis gets. Only when we lose will people start to point the finger at him if he is not fulfilling expectations.

[BurgundyNGold]

Yeah. The wheels don't quite come off the wagon with the same zeal anywhere else except DC... except maybe Philly. Talk about some negative sports fans.

[Skin_Finatic]

If portis fails to dazzle then that mean

A. he gets hurt
B. Gardner and coles kill it

[skinswin'emALL]

the one thing I don't see much talk about (even on broncos board) is the broncos lost Gibbs (Alex Gibbs) the O line coach for the last 9 years in Denver

All there talk about the system -- losing Alex Gibbs to Atlanta might be there biggest lose this offseason.

[TwistyNiblet]

Yeah, because I doubt Griffen or whatever will have as much success in someone else's blocking scheme.

[Smiley]

This is what I'm expecting.....a playoff appearance with Clinton helping us get there. If that means 1,000 yards and 6 TDs that's fine with me. Hail!

[Spider]

I saw OG name pop up and his dismal failure after Denver .....
1. OG tore up his ACL 3 years ago, 2 years ago he breaks his Leg ... Kinda understandable he isnt what he was in Denver ....
Another reason is , the Bills , The Run Game is very important, but it will only succeed if you have an outside threat to stop the 8-9 in the box .... Bills May have had the threat , but htey didnt have the Oline to provide the time for the Threat to develope ....
I still like OG and I was sorry to see him go I think he still has talent , but he is not a feature back like he was before the injuries ......
Anyhoo, I had to throw in a good word for OG ........

[TwistyNiblet]

I liked Gary a lot. It's a real shame it had to turn out this way.