He called plays at the line for the Colts. Every team won't allow that. Do you understand that fact. You make it seem as though Manning is the offensive coordinator and QB. He isn't even if he calls his own plays.

Aaron Rogers reads defenses at the line, yet he calls the play that was given to him by the coach. Tom Brady as well. Can they audibles, yes they can. The audible is built into the play call.

Because Kyle has never had a QB who can read coverages like Peyton.
Because that ability gives the entire offense a tremendous advantage.

Why would you buy the Jet that has an advanced navigation system and not use it?

He pulled this crap with McNabb. Now McNabb wasn't good with the skins and never has been nearly the player that Peyton has been, but he's been starting the NFL at QB for longer the Kyyle's been a coach at all(by 4 years). When he audibled he incurred Kyyle's wrath. When he asked Kyyle for more screens/draws(which is football 101 when your oline can't block), Kyyle told him to stuff it(then called them for Grossman). So, yes, I think that Kyyle will try to tell Peyton to do what he says. And to be honest: any Qb.

When you don't have to worry about losing your job over the performance of the jet, there's no incentive to maximize how the jet performs.

Extremely naive to think teams won't allow Peyton to call plays at the line. It gives the offense an ADVANTAGE. His ability to read defenses is his greatest attribute. So yeah it's a "fact" that I don't understand: some teams will take away Peyton Mannings huge advantages.

I make it seem that he is the QB and offensive coordinator because he pretty much is. There are tons of interviews and segments on Peyton that explain this.

Neither of those players walk up to the line and call better plays than an offensive coordinator can. If they could why wouldn't they? If you can see your players cards before you have to make your decision why wouldn't you?

Without a doubt. Only 97-98 would be lower...

McNabb couldn't read a defense 1/10th as well as Peyton can. So that comparison isn't applicable.

And you know how you keep your job? You win. Best way for Kyle to do that? Not take away his QBs greatest asset.

Regardless if I agree with your comment here(which I don't), he's one of the most experienced and smartest Qbs in this era of the game. He certainly has seen more NFL defenses then kyyle ever will. If he suggests or sees something, any OC should listen. Especially one as inexperienced as Kyyle is. Except, you know, if the coach is a control freak.

If his name wasn't Shanahan, you're right. Mike won't fire or demote his son no matter what(if he wasn't his son, I'd bet almost anything that he would have been fired because of the last 2 seasons). If Peyton struggles in Kyyle's system, they'll just bad mouth him in the press like they did with McNabb and keep the lie going.

If Peyton has an issue with Kyle Mike will immediately step in and fix it. Mike is smart enough to let Peyton do his thing. Just because he's stubborn with a washed up McNabb doesn't mean it's a given that he'll do the same with an impeccable HOF QB. I understand you think he would, I don't though.

From your lips to God's ears lol. I wouldn't count on it since Mike giving his son so much rope that both of them could be hung with it.

And Mcnabb is a HOF QB also, regardless of his play in DC, if he says to any OC: "how about this?" the OC shouldn't be a pissy bitch to him in response(frankly, the OC shouldn't act like that to ANY QB).

It is extremely naive of you to think every coach in the NFL will allow him to do what he did in Indy. EXTREMELY NAIVE.

Peyton is not the offensive coordinator. You should get that out of your head it truly hinders your opinion.

I think this post says a lot of nothing. "If you can see your players cards before you to make a decision". What the heck does that mean?

I'm going to agree to disagree with this because there is simply no logic behind it. You go right on thinking every team would give Peyton what he had in Indy.

A valid point, but we have been questioning the shanahans for exactly this kind of backwards logic since they got here. They never seem to adjust their system to maximize their personnel.

This is a moot argument because even if they were willing to adjust their system to promote manning's special skill set, bringing manning here at all would be the mistake that matters most.

That advanced navigation system relies on information, specifically maps. They need a starting and endpoint to operate correctly. Those maps were laid out in advance by someone. The navigation system uses those maps to operate.

Yeah because lots of coaches wouldn't let their All-Pro Hall of Fame QB do what he does better than any QB in the NFL.

You should watch a few segments on Peyton Manning and get some actual facts into your head.

Peyton reading a defense is equivalent to a great poker player reading a face and knowing exactly what cards they are holding. Says a lot of nothing does it?

The sooner he does that (line of scrimmage) the sooner he can change the play again if the defense (i.e. those games against Ray Lewis and the Ravens) adjusts back. Advantage Peyton.

And the navigation systems does all the work for you, so lets shut it off and go manual.

So you do want to go there I see. Be careful.

You need to get some facts into your head. You are showing you know very little about football thinking every coach would allow Peyton to call the plays. You show more of your lack of knowledge of football that you think Peyton is an offensive coordinator. Just because he calls plays at the line of scrimmage doesn't make him an offensive coordinator.

Every team doesn't use a scheme that allows a QB to call plays at the line of scrimmage. If you watched football you would know that.

You are the one that needs to get some facts in their head and get away from the man love you have for Peyton.

Who made the navigation system? Who programmed the navigation system? Who made the maps?

Don't take this personally, but this had to be one of the craziest/dumbest post I've seen on here in awhile. I think you should stop right now.

Always happy to help a fellow poster out.

Thank you for helping a fellow poster. OK

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I once heard either dungy or someone else say that manning was pretty much the offensive cordinator. that they would call either 2 pass plays and a run play or visa versa and depending on the defensive alignment peyton would make the final call of which play to run so to me that would make peyton the o-cordinator/QB in those situations. Some teams the head coach would call run or pass then the 0-cordinator would then call a play based on what the head coach said to run. I think you two should agree to disagree.

To think that Kyle wouldnt call two-three plays for manning to run at a time would be naive.

and to think that peyton carries his own playbook around wherever he goes is naive.

my take is kyle would call 2 plays a pass and a run peyton decides at the line of scrimmage what play to execute and that manning has a handful of plays he likes useing and would get them instituted in any playbook

You think Poker players know exactly what cards another poker player has. You said it not me.

I said it was the equivalent.

The good ones get good reads and can tell by how you bet and what cards they have seen they cant tell exactly but can get a really good idea what is in the other players hand.

Interesting edit on your behalf. You just left a period in your post.

and equivalent means what exactly?

how you bet isn't reading your face. It also doesn't tell you exactly what cards they have.

Actually you can get by really well without ever seeing a face. A lot of it's noticing their style of play, patterns of betting, and how long it takes them to react. I'm rusty now, but back when online poker was legal I was pretty damn good. In a game of Hold'em I called out this guys hand 7 times in a row, missing only one card once.

I don't know why the Poker analogy has continued in this discussion but it is an absolute fact that one of Peyton's strengths is his ability to read a defense and make them show their intentions. To hinder that in any way or to force play-calls on him would be ridiculous. Granted, I could understand why any OC looking to make a name for himself would not want to work in this situation....

Bottom line, if you bring in a Peyton Manning, you let him be Peyton Manning.

If we get P.Manning i will go completely crazy and start talking trash again claiming the Skins will be in the superbowl.


That being said its probably not a good ideas we sighn him.

+1 especially with the probable high cost of signing him

I would not be opposed to getting Peyton if it means we get Blackmon @ 6 and draft Keenum.

This is only if he is cleared to play.

i honestly think Blackmon will be gone in the first 3 picks.. the only thing that could push him down a bit is if Jeffery has a tremendous showing that elevates his stock into the top 10

watching what Boldin and the physical receivers did for the Giants yesterday really showed their value in tough games.. we need to get Hankerson back and add another physical presence.. would love Paul to show he can elevate his game because he definitely has that kind of build.. or go after Colston because that is his game also..

I dont agree with the Keenum part, but I think you make a good point. The only way signing Peyton makes ANY sense imo is if you draft someone who dramatically upgrades an offensive position at #6 and you draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round.

I think if you sign Peyton, the #6 pick gets used on either Martin or Reiff, hands down.. You simply need to protect your investment..the right tackle slot goes to either Willie Smith, Trent Williams or Jammal Brown based upon preseason and offseason

there are plenty of FA wideouts that Peyton could elevate to 80-100 catch seasons without using the draft: Garcon, Bowe and Colston would all be just fine.

you hold your breath and re-sign Davis, and you break the bank for Carl Nicks, just like what we did for Randy Thomas, and all of a sudden, the Offense comes to life

use the 2nd rounder on Foles, Tannehill, Lindley, Osweiller or whoever looks like the best 2 year development project for a future QB and we are going places.

Helu becomes our version of Addai or Kevin Faulk.. Royster moves the chains and Young actually becomes a threat as a receiver.. We still need 1 more rotational back unless they re sign Hightower

Of course you feel that way. Just like everyone feels like they will win the superbowl every off season when they made big splashy free agent moves.

Same way everyone felt they were playoff bound after the McNabb trade...

"you can't deny that this team is much better with the addition of Mcnabb" that's what someone said to me a couple years ago when I pointed out that trading for him might not be such a great deal, that giving up picks for aging names was what got them into the hole they are in ( full disclosure I certainly thought Mcnabb was an upgrade and it would work out better than it did I just felt like it was a typical Snyder win now move that wasn't good long term) .

The point is not that Manning isnt a better QB than Mcnabb, just that what actually happens and what we feel like will happen are usually not the same thing.