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colkurtz 02-17-2012 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BIGREDSKINSFAN1963 (Post 1430019)
I Think the starting qb will be manning,but if it's rex,i may not watch next season.:giantsuk::giantsuk:

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I will be disappointed if Rex or Beck is even on the team this upcoming season. We draft RGIII; Plan B is Tanneyhill. We pick up a development QB. We start RGIII or Tanneyhill from Day 1. What can Rex or Beck do for us next season? There only asset is that they know Kyle's system - but they just can't execute it properly.

culpeper 02-17-2012 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by colkurtz (Post 1430077)
I like your Avatar! +1

I will be disappointed if Rex or Beck is even on the team this upcoming season. We draft RGIII; Plan B is Tanneyhill. We pick up a development QB. We start RGIII or Tanneyhill from Day 1. What can Rex or Beck do for us next season? There only asset is that they know Kyle's system - but they just can't execute it properly.

I keep asking myself "am I only hearing/seeing what I want to see"? With all the options/possibilities that are out there, I still always come back to going after RGIII. This makes the most sense to me if we're playing the percentages.

I do believe Rex will be back in the backup role, which as long as he's the backup, he's a good guy to have around. He knows the offense and if RGIII goes down we might be able to still win a game here or there.

*I dont believe Tannehill will be a day 1 starter. Rex will start in that scenario most likely with Tennehill coming in towards the middle/end of the season (when theres no hope for .500).

Moe 02-17-2012 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Emmanouel8 (Post 1429962)
Yes I understood your post but disagree there has to be life and death implications to fire someone with cause. I think your understating the significance, its not "just football." A segment of a team's offseason strategy was disclosed. Sure its not the end of the world, but if I'm in charge of or own a multi-million dollar business then my business is my national security. That's JMHO.

The NFL is so incestuous that there's a lot more comfortable chatter, information and intra-league conversation than most of us realize. The NFL is like 2 degrees of seperation, front office people are always in talks over players and comments like what Haslett said, while surprising simply because he should know better, aren't revealing anything to anyone. Combine this with 90% of what gets said this time of year being mis-direction/canned reponses and most minutiae like this getting lost in the oceans of information and commentary that exists pre-draft and I think talk of firing him for this is a giant over-reaction. While fans pay attention to this type of thing, most front offices have plenty on their plate and aren't concerend or paying attention to this type of thing. Maybe firing him for personnel/schematic reasons could be justified, but not this.

Moe 02-17-2012 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by culpeper (Post 1430080)
I keep asking myself "am I only hearing/seeing what I want to see"? With all the options/possibilities that are out there, I still always come back to going after RGIII. This makes the most sense to me if we're playing the percentages.

When I really listen to the little voice in my head, I'm in line with you here. It'd be great to get RGIII and not have to move up, but that's unlikely and so I think you have to pay the price. He just seems like he has a great chance to finally fix the QB problem.

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I do believe Rex will be back in the backup role, which as long as he's the backup, he's a good guy to have around. He knows the offense and if RGIII goes down we might be able to still win a game here or there.
Agree. I wish they hadn't married themselves to him in the first place, but I'm not sure there is an option that makes a lot more sense if you're rolling with a potential franchise guy like RGIII.

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*I dont believe Tannehill will be a day 1 starter. Rex will start in that scenario most likely with Tennehill coming in towards the middle/end of the season (when theres no hope for .500).
I have only seen clips and read opinions of Tannehill, so the scope of my opinion is pretty narrow, but his lack of experience really concerns me. He screams 'great athlete who can't grasp niuance of position' to me, but what do I know? Being a quality NFL QB is really, really difficult and I have a lot of concerns about a guy like him being a likely answer and the thought of more and more time spent looking for a QB, when you can move up and likely get him in RGIII just answers all of my quesitons for me.

colkurtz 02-17-2012 03:10 PM

I think the info that Haslett gave out is pretty common knowledge. It's crazy to think of firing a guy for those comments. Now if the defense regresses, that's another story.

As for keeping Rex as the #2 QB, I've got a different viewpoint now. The Redskins are only holding 2 QB on the team, with one more stuck on the PS. Great to have an experienced #2 QB - but we already know what Grossman's problem areas are. He's a turnover machine and we'll lose most of the games if he is the QB. So why not have a longer-term QB project in there? Someone with a POSSIBLE FUTURE. Would the Patriots have ever played Brady [Bledsoe, the #1 QB was hurt] if they'd had a journeyman QB entrenched at #2?

We have certain players who are used to losing. We need to get rid of them and build for the future. Let Grossman and Beck go, as soon as the draft is over.......

colkurtz 02-18-2012 05:10 AM

It's time for new blood on this team. Many of the old veterans from the Snyderrato era are gone - that trend must continue if we are to ever get better. That especially includes releasing Rex and Beck.

AustinSkin 02-18-2012 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Moe (Post 1430087)
When I really listen to the little voice in my head, I'm in line with you here. It'd be great to get RGIII and not have to move up, but that's unlikely and so I think you have to pay the price. He just seems like he has a great chance to finally fix the QB problem.



Agree. I wish they hadn't married themselves to him in the first place, but I'm not sure there is an option that makes a lot more sense if you're rolling with a potential franchise guy like RGIII.



I have only seen clips and read opinions of Tannehill, so the scope of my opinion is pretty narrow, but his lack of experience really concerns me. He screams 'great athlete who can't grasp niuance of position' to me, but what do I know? Being a quality NFL QB is really, really difficult and I have a lot of concerns about a guy like him being a likely answer and the thought of more and more time spent looking for a QB, when you can move up and likely get him in RGIII just answers all of my quesitons for me.

Tannehill showed me nothing that remotely warrants being a #1 draft pick. A&M blew several leads and he made some really bad decisions at the wrong times. I regard him as a 3rd-4th round pick "project".

colkurtz 02-19-2012 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by AustinSkin (Post 1430148)
Tannehill showed me nothing that remotely warrants being a #1 draft pick. A&M blew several leads and he made some really bad decisions at the wrong times. I regard him as a 3rd-4th round pick "project".

hopefully we'll trade up to the #2 selection and get RGIII. Finally a reason to get excited about the team. IMO drafting Tennehill is a weak Plan B, because we're afraid to trade up.

joethefan 02-19-2012 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by colkurtz (Post 1430168)
hopefully we'll trade up to the #2 selection and get RGIII. Finally a reason to get excited about the team. IMO drafting Tennehill is a weak Plan B, because we're afraid to trade up.

perhaps drafting Tannehill would be only to please the fans....

NCskinsfanatic 02-19-2012 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by colkurtz (Post 1430168)
hopefully we'll trade up to the #2 selection and get RGIII. Finally a reason to get excited about the team. IMO drafting Tennehill is a weak Plan B, because we're afraid to trade up.

I dont think we're "afraid" to trade up, I think we're afraid to give up multiple picks this year and next just to have a rookie QB that doesnt have any weapons at his disposal, limited offensive talent around him, holes on defense and an overall lack of team depth.

skinsorbust 02-19-2012 06:18 PM

If shanahan thinks rg3 could be our franchise qb you trade whatever it takes. A franchise qb is the only position on the field that can hide other weaknesses on the offense.Once you have your qb then you build around him.

skinfanjon 02-19-2012 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NCskinsfanatic (Post 1430182)
I dont think we're "afraid" to trade up, I think we're afraid to give up multiple picks this year and next just to have a rookie QB that doesnt have any weapons at his disposal, limited offensive talent around him, holes on defense and an overall lack of team depth.

I hear ya. Assuming the cost of trading up will be our 1st, 2nd, and 1st next year, I still think Shanahan's best chance to turn things around under his watch is to get RGIII. If he does that, I think he gets an immediate pass for two seasons while we see how good he is. We add pieces in free agency to help him out and hope we see consistency on offense by the end of year one, with solid progress in year two. If RGIII is the guy, barring an absolute circus-like atmosphere and terrible record next year, Shanny is guaranteed 2013.

The running game looks to be in good hands with Helu, Royster, and Hightower. If we can add a quality offensive lineman either through free agency or the draft, and just one quality receiver through free agency, I think Griffin would have at least adequate tools to work with on offense. In other words, he'd have a fighting chance imo.

If Shanny goes with a vet like Orton, he's putting a lot of pressure on him to succeed. A 6-10 season with Orton and a 6-10 season with RG are not equal in the eyes of Snyder and the public. A losing record with Orton could mean a firing.

akhhorus 02-19-2012 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by skinfanjon (Post 1430191)
If Shanny goes with a vet like Orton, he's putting a lot of pressure on him to succeed. A 6-10 season with Orton and a 6-10 season with RG are not equal in the eyes of Snyder and the public. A losing record with Orton could mean a firing.

6-10 with Orton at the helm(and without a clearly talented young QB behind him), means that the Snyder will be pulling Shanahan out of a drain pipe and firing him.

NCskinsfanatic 02-19-2012 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by skinfanjon (Post 1430191)
I hear ya. Assuming the cost of trading up will be our 1st, 2nd, and 1st next year, I still think Shanahan's best chance to turn things around under his watch is to get RGIII. If he does that, I think he gets an immediate pass for two seasons while we see how good he is. We add pieces in free agency to help him out and hope we see consistency on offense by the end of year one, with solid progress in year two. If RGIII is the guy, barring an absolute circus-like atmosphere and terrible record next year, Shanny is guaranteed 2013.

The running game looks to be in good hands with Helu, Royster, and Hightower. If we can add a quality offensive lineman either through free agency or the draft, and just one quality receiver through free agency, I think Griffin would have at least adequate tools to work with on offense. In other words, he'd have a fighting chance imo.

If Shanny goes with a vet like Orton, he's putting a lot of pressure on him to succeed. A 6-10 season with Orton and a 6-10 season with RG are not equal in the eyes of Snyder and the public. A losing record with Orton could mean a firing.

I completely agree with this, however I only say go the Orton/Flynn route if you think a guy like Tannenhill can be a franchise guy in a year and you dont have to trade picks to get him. That 1st and 2nd this year can aid a vet QB while Shanny gets someone like tannenhill ready, Id compare it to the Cutler/Plummer situation if and only if someone wows Shanny for less price than RGIII. Im on the record as saying Id like RGIII but we wont be able to outbid Clevelnad so to me if they're all in it's a mute point. And if it's a mute point the scenario I laid out above still gives us a fighting chance this year and next.

DaveKShape 02-19-2012 09:13 PM

The thing about Orton... if the Shanny's were into him, why wouldn't they have just gotten him when he was cut by the Broncos last year? We were ahead of the Chiefs in order (if I'm not mistaken). Sure, they were all in on Rex, but couldn't they have gotten him to effectively replace Beck and start learning the system?

I'm OK with Orton next year, only provided that Rex is not resigned, and we have a young guy behind him to become the starter. I could totally see this happening with Tannehill. I'd also want Beck gone as well, regardless of how cheap he'll be next season. The QB play last season was so awful that I don't want any shred of that around.

We should also get some shaman guy to burn some sage in the locker room to purge the evil spirits. Just make sure Trent and Fred aren't around. They'll start salivating like Pavlov's dogs.


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