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colkurtz 01-19-2012 12:44 AM
Shanahan will get a great chance to see the QB under Luck and RgIII in the Senior Bowl. If he finds the underdog QB then that's who he'll take or if RGIII gets down to #6. The Redskins will go for RGIII if they find a big drop off in the QBs below him and Luck.

Shanahan knows that he needs another very good draft and FA to keep rebuilding this team. On the other hand Shanahan/Allen also need to get a couple "stars" - especially at WR, RB and yes, QB. This team will get better by drafting/FA by adding the hard-working, lunchbox, good players. But the team needs a couple real threats and that means the 'skins are going to have to gamble at QB and WR and maybe NT to get a star.

I still think that RGIII could be that kind of star and his price will be expensive.

akhhorus 01-19-2012 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by shally (Post 1427288)
?? with or without a draft qb ??

i think Grossman will begin the season as starter.. but the real question is whether Shanahan actually drafts someone credible to replace him.. what's your call ??
I honestly don't think that unless something changes, that the skins will draft that young QB "of the future" outside of some flyer pick late. It'll be Grossman, Beck and another Vet.

Keino 01-19-2012 07:05 AM
If Grossman is re-signed, I may renounce being a fan and find a better way to spend my Sundays. I don't need to have the Shanahan, Grossman and Haslett circus ruining half of my weekend and sending me to work on Monday's in a foul mood.

To paraphrase Singletary....Can't win with him, can't watch him. Can't do it.

dogfight6 01-19-2012 07:49 AM
Flynn or RGIII is fine, trade back I can live with, but sign Manning to the Skins and except for my Dave Butz Jersey I fire up the grill and have a Skins bonfire of the vanities. My perfect situation I would sign Flynn draft the best OT at 6 and the 3rd round get a guard, find a reciever or 2 in FA. 2nd round BPA.

shally 01-19-2012 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by akhhorus (Post 1427295)
I honestly don't think that unless something changes, that the skins will draft that young QB "of the future" outside of some flyer pick late. It'll be Grossman, Beck and another Vet.
man, i sure hope you arent right on that call.. that kind of mono-mania could make a body long for the halcyon days of Marty..i just cant believe that Shanahan is THAT inflexible and rigid.

put it this way.. they guy spent a whole year off planning how to re-invent himself, or at least put himself into the best possible situation to succeed. he was flexible enough to go with a different defense because he thought he had a better chance to win.. he also has a past history of moving on from failed QB experiments.. why would he continue to ride Rex after this season ? i just cant believe he will do that..

warpaint 01-19-2012 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by shally (Post 1427273)
Too early to get a fix on the pick because we havent entered free agency yet

I dont think it will be Flynn because we could have traded for him last year, and I dont think we made any effort

I think the lure of Manning will be so great that I think Snyder would want him, but I think that Shanahan was soured enough by the McNabb experience that he wont go there

So Flynn goes to Cleveland and Manning goes to Miami

I think Rex gets re signed one way or the other to start the year.

Who does Shanahan draft ?
I think it is NOT going to be RGIII for a couple of reasons
A. Shanahan doesnt like pillaging the draft to move up a lot. Yes, he moved up about 4 spots to get Cutler, but that isnt like trading 2 number 1's and other picks to move up to the second overall pick..
B I think thatRGIII likely goes at the second overall, but I am also going to say that I think that Shanahan decides he likes one of the QB's he sees while coaching the SB and drafts that guy to groom behind Rex. I also think that if Tannehill has a private workout and wows Shanahan , he could be the pick, but I think that working with a guy for a week will give Shanahan a better feel and that is where the pick will come from..

I think it is either going to be Foles or Weeden, and that means we better be prepared to see a trade back from the number 6 slot because neither of those guys is going at #6
i think danny boy sees all the dollars that rg3 could bring to the team with the sell of season tickets and anything else that could make him a dollar that he will be the driving force behind us moving up and selecting rg3, and if rg3 turned out to be a great quarterback,snyder would become a hero to skins fans, all of his mistakes in the past will be forgotten.
if this doest happen agree with you on tannehill and weeden , i like weeden a lot was impressed with his showing against luck, some mock drafts have him going second or third round , by draft day wouldnt surprise me for him to go late 1st or early 2nd round, age is only reason not a sure fire first round pick imo.

smave 01-19-2012 08:27 AM
If we get Weeden or Tannehill, I will be angered. I was not impressed with either of their play this year.

akhhorus 01-19-2012 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by shally (Post 1427303)
man, i sure hope you arent right on that call.. that kind of mono-mania could make a body long for the halcyon days of Marty..i just cant believe that Shanahan is THAT inflexible and rigid.

put it this way.. they guy spent a whole year off planning how to re-invent himself, or at least put himself into the best possible situation to succeed. he was flexible enough to go with a different defense because he thought he had a better chance to win.. he also has a past history of moving on from failed QB experiments.. why would he continue to ride Rex after this season ? i just cant believe he will do that..
*Shanny's reaction to criticism from outside the organization is to double down on his decisions. Publicly and privately.
*Shanny did update some things during his time off, but he's trying to install a rushing offense in a league that demands an effective passing attack
*Shanny's history suggests a vet Qb move, not a high draft pick
*Shanny probably doesn't have the time to let a rookie/young QB develop, not unless he hits on the next Dalton. If he gets canned, no matter how justified, he'll leak to Schefter how much Snyder was meddling in his decisions while he cashes Snyder's checks into his retirement.

Talk to me when Shanny decides to make public changes to the coaches/style. Until then its going to be full speed ahead toward the waterfall.

Gravy 01-19-2012 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Keino (Post 1427296)
If Grossman is re-signed, I may renounce being a fan and find a better way to spend my Sundays. I don't need to have the Shanahan, Grossman and Haslett circus ruining half of my weekend and sending me to work on Monday's in a foul mood.

To paraphrase Singletary....Can't win with him, can't watch him. Can't do it.
+1

DUCKIN_TACKLERS 01-19-2012 10:19 AM
I am starting to lean toward acceptance of a Flynn/Orton type QB next year. I badly want RGIII as I would love to hit it big at QB. I am just thinking now he may end up out of reach as I do feel he will impress through the draft process and we wont have the ammo to trade up.

I caution all the trade back folks into remembering what happens when you allow other teams to pick before you by choice in a trade down. Sometimes they take the QB you covet and you get stuck with the Gabberts instead of the Lockers.

Santheb 01-19-2012 10:19 AM
At this point I think I've convinced myself that trading up for RG3 or especially Luck is worth whatever it will take. Offer Indy a trade they can't refuse and let's get that dude.

shally 01-19-2012 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Santheb (Post 1427320)
At this point I think I've convinced myself that trading up for RG3 or especially Luck is worth whatever it will take. Offer Indy a trade they can't refuse and let's get that dude.
Indy is off the table.. they didnt trade the rights for Peyton and got 15 years of near championship play.. why would they go with another tactic now ?
they simply wont..any more than St Louis was willing to trade the rights to Bradford

shally 01-19-2012 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by akhhorus (Post 1427309)
*Shanny's reaction to criticism from outside the organization is to double down on his decisions. Publicly and privately.
*Shanny did update some things during his time off, but he's trying to install a rushing offense in a league that demands an effective passing attack
*Shanny's history suggests a vet Qb move, not a high draft pick
*Shanny probably doesn't have the time to let a rookie/young QB develop, not unless he hits on the next Dalton. If he gets canned, no matter how justified, he'll leak to Schefter how much Snyder was meddling in his decisions while he cashes Snyder's checks into his retirement.

Talk to me when Shanny decides to make public changes to the coaches/style. Until then its going to be full speed ahead toward the waterfall.
we'll have to see. my feeling is that his fear of failure is greater than his desire to hold onto Rex, for whatever reasons

contrary to your point, i think that drafting someone like RGIII, or even Foles WILL buy him at least 1 more year..if he rolls with Rex/Beck or some crappy vet like Orton, he might end up being done after 2012-- and rightly so because that is a complete path to failure as a franchise

Santheb 01-19-2012 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by shally (Post 1427321)
Indy is off the table.. they didnt trade the rights for Peyton and got 15 years of near championship play.. why would they go with another tactic now ?
they simply wont..any more than St Louis was willing to trade the rights to Bradford
You're probably right but I'm saying that I've pretty much convinced myself that almost no price is too much for the chance to have him play here.

akhhorus 01-19-2012 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by shally (Post 1427322)
we'll have to see. my feeling is that his fear of failure is greater than his desire to hold onto Rex, for whatever reasons
When has Shanny taken risks? They still play stiff Vets over rookies/young players no matter how bad the vet is.

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Originally Posted by shally (Post 1427322)
contrary to your point, i think that drafting someone like RGIII, or even Foles WILL buy him at least 1 more year..if he rolls with Rex/Beck or some crappy vet like Orton, he might end up being done after 2012-- and rightly so because that is a complete path to failure as a franchise
Thats possible, but if everyone knows that, the price will get too steep for his tastes.


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