Who's the Starting QB next Season?
 

This is the year of the QB. Shanahan and Allen have tried to build a team, by dumping the old guys, doing a pretty good jobs of drafting hard-working, good character players (except Williams, cough, cough).

Who will be the main starter next season? Keep building the rest of the team with another Rex year? Trade away a boatload of draft picks and a player or two to get Luck or RIII? Trade down and go for the next level of QBs? Flynn" Peyton Manning? Someone not on the radar right now? Take your pick and let us know why you made the choice. Right before the draft I'll run this again and we'll eventually compare it to the real winner. Then you can crow or eat crow all you want. What say yee now?

RGIII

In my honest opinion we will luck out and the Rams will be willing to deal with us. We will most likely send our first, second and fourth this year and a third next year to St.Louis as we will be bidding against ourselves. While many think the Browns would sacrifice two first round picks to move up two spots I disagree. Peyton Manning has no business being a Redskin and he will most likely get hurt immediately and I honestly can't believe people consider this a serious option after all of our other debacles with aged free agents?

We do what it takes to trade draft picks to get RGIII. We may even hedge the choice by getting Flynn into the mix. We have a no kidding, true, QB competition in TC and PS. The best man starts on game one.

Flynn signs with Miami, and the Browns bail out of the bidding and we move up to #2 to take RGIII!

Browns are a conservative team, I don't seem offering their 1st round pick(s). I think they take Tannehill mid 1st round.

Either way we will have to trade up to #2 to make sure we get RGIII!

Bringing in a player like RGIII will add a huge amount of fan excitement this year. Mt Dan will not have to cut up a big chunk of seats again to keep the myth of 40+years of sold out games.....

What? No Grossman on the list?:goofy:

Too early to get a fix on the pick because we havent entered free agency yet

I dont think it will be Flynn because we could have traded for him last year, and I dont think we made any effort

I think the lure of Manning will be so great that I think Snyder would want him, but I think that Shanahan was soured enough by the McNabb experience that he wont go there

So Flynn goes to Cleveland and Manning goes to Miami

I think Rex gets re signed one way or the other to start the year.

Who does Shanahan draft ?
I think it is NOT going to be RGIII for a couple of reasons
A. Shanahan doesnt like pillaging the draft to move up a lot. Yes, he moved up about 4 spots to get Cutler, but that isnt like trading 2 number 1's and other picks to move up to the second overall pick..
B I think thatRGIII likely goes at the second overall, but I am also going to say that I think that Shanahan decides he likes one of the QB's he sees while coaching the SB and drafts that guy to groom behind Rex. I also think that if Tannehill has a private workout and wows Shanahan , he could be the pick, but I think that working with a guy for a week will give Shanahan a better feel and that is where the pick will come from..

I think it is either going to be Foles or Weeden, and that means we better be prepared to see a trade back from the number 6 slot because neither of those guys is going at #6

It looks like a lot of wishful thinking in here. I also believe Grossman should be on the list. I don't think we get RG III and we. If we do somehow get him, he needs to play from day 1 and not sit. That's too much to give up for a guy to have him sit. Especially if it's behind Grossman.

I don't think the Redskins should just select a QB that excites the fan base from Day 1. They need to select one that will be consistently good and that will excite the fan base over time.

I don't think Shanny goes after Manning even if he Danny throws a tantrum. Shanny has already come out and said we don't have the depth so he can't say that and then surrender a lot of picks to move up. Yeah there's free agency but we need to brew our own talent.

Is this a make or break season for Shanny in terms of the QB position. You bet your @ss it is.

I would be careful with the RG III talk.

I went with RGIII, but only because that's what I would like to see.

Alternatively, I could handle Rex starting, but ONLY if we had a stud O-Line, a money receiver (Colston, Jeffery, etc.) and promising backup prospects in Tannehill/Foles/Weeden/Keenum/Moore.

As much as I hated Rex's performance this year, he might fare better if he had a monster O-Line that gave him the extra couple of seconds to make better decisions. A great O-Line makes mediocre QBs look stellar.

Iam also going to predict that if we DO end up with RGII it will be because he either falls to us at #6
or we trade with someone other than the Rams at 2.. My guess is that the Rams will want the moon and stars and Shanahan simply wont pay it..The Rams will put the pick out for bids and if Cleveland doesnt give them what they want they will likely end up taking Khalil or Blackmon
With each pick that ensues, the cost will drop, so my guess is that it will either be Minny or Tampa that we do trade with if we move up for RGII

My guess would be that if he lasts until #5 at Cleveland we could even be trading with them IF they have already signed Flynn, or if they think that McCoy is good enough, or they want another specific player.. We could trade with Cleveland to keep a team like Miami or Seattle from moving up, and the cost wouldnt be that bad to move from 6 to 5

lots of intrigue to come.. in the end, I just have a gut feeling it will be someone other than RGIII that Shanahan adds..again, I still think we re sign Rex one way or the other..

Grossman.

?? with or without a draft qb ??

i think Grossman will begin the season as starter.. but the real question is whether Shanahan actually drafts someone credible to replace him.. what's your call ??

I'm still sticking with my #6 pick for Bradford so the Rams can give the Colts the #2 and #6 for #1 (Luck). Colts then flip #2 for #4 and #22 from Cleveland (they take Blackmon). Colts then get RG3 and Claiborne/Kirkpatrick with 4 and 6. Or trade the 6 pick for more. Either way, I think the Colts have Manning on the team next year along with the QB of the future (other than Luck).

Tannehill in a trade down or with the second round pick. I think another place holder could be signed to start game one though. I don't think it will be Grossman, but it will be a Grossman type.

Shanahan will get a great chance to see the QB under Luck and RgIII in the Senior Bowl. If he finds the underdog QB then that's who he'll take or if RGIII gets down to #6. The Redskins will go for RGIII if they find a big drop off in the QBs below him and Luck.

Shanahan knows that he needs another very good draft and FA to keep rebuilding this team. On the other hand Shanahan/Allen also need to get a couple "stars" - especially at WR, RB and yes, QB. This team will get better by drafting/FA by adding the hard-working, lunchbox, good players. But the team needs a couple real threats and that means the 'skins are going to have to gamble at QB and WR and maybe NT to get a star.

I still think that RGIII could be that kind of star and his price will be expensive.

I honestly don't think that unless something changes, that the skins will draft that young QB "of the future" outside of some flyer pick late. It'll be Grossman, Beck and another Vet.

If Grossman is re-signed, I may renounce being a fan and find a better way to spend my Sundays. I don't need to have the Shanahan, Grossman and Haslett circus ruining half of my weekend and sending me to work on Monday's in a foul mood.

To paraphrase Singletary....Can't win with him, can't watch him. Can't do it.

Flynn or RGIII is fine, trade back I can live with, but sign Manning to the Skins and except for my Dave Butz Jersey I fire up the grill and have a Skins bonfire of the vanities. My perfect situation I would sign Flynn draft the best OT at 6 and the 3rd round get a guard, find a reciever or 2 in FA. 2nd round BPA.

man, i sure hope you arent right on that call.. that kind of mono-mania could make a body long for the halcyon days of Marty..i just cant believe that Shanahan is THAT inflexible and rigid.

put it this way.. they guy spent a whole year off planning how to re-invent himself, or at least put himself into the best possible situation to succeed. he was flexible enough to go with a different defense because he thought he had a better chance to win.. he also has a past history of moving on from failed QB experiments.. why would he continue to ride Rex after this season ? i just cant believe he will do that..

i think danny boy sees all the dollars that rg3 could bring to the team with the sell of season tickets and anything else that could make him a dollar that he will be the driving force behind us moving up and selecting rg3, and if rg3 turned out to be a great quarterback,snyder would become a hero to skins fans, all of his mistakes in the past will be forgotten.
if this doest happen agree with you on tannehill and weeden , i like weeden a lot was impressed with his showing against luck, some mock drafts have him going second or third round , by draft day wouldnt surprise me for him to go late 1st or early 2nd round, age is only reason not a sure fire first round pick imo.

If we get Weeden or Tannehill, I will be angered. I was not impressed with either of their play this year.

*Shanny's reaction to criticism from outside the organization is to double down on his decisions. Publicly and privately.
*Shanny did update some things during his time off, but he's trying to install a rushing offense in a league that demands an effective passing attack
*Shanny's history suggests a vet Qb move, not a high draft pick
*Shanny probably doesn't have the time to let a rookie/young QB develop, not unless he hits on the next Dalton. If he gets canned, no matter how justified, he'll leak to Schefter how much Snyder was meddling in his decisions while he cashes Snyder's checks into his retirement.

Talk to me when Shanny decides to make public changes to the coaches/style. Until then its going to be full speed ahead toward the waterfall.

+1

I am starting to lean toward acceptance of a Flynn/Orton type QB next year. I badly want RGIII as I would love to hit it big at QB. I am just thinking now he may end up out of reach as I do feel he will impress through the draft process and we wont have the ammo to trade up.

I caution all the trade back folks into remembering what happens when you allow other teams to pick before you by choice in a trade down. Sometimes they take the QB you covet and you get stuck with the Gabberts instead of the Lockers.

At this point I think I've convinced myself that trading up for RG3 or especially Luck is worth whatever it will take. Offer Indy a trade they can't refuse and let's get that dude.

Indy is off the table.. they didnt trade the rights for Peyton and got 15 years of near championship play.. why would they go with another tactic now ?
they simply wont..any more than St Louis was willing to trade the rights to Bradford

we'll have to see. my feeling is that his fear of failure is greater than his desire to hold onto Rex, for whatever reasons

contrary to your point, i think that drafting someone like RGIII, or even Foles WILL buy him at least 1 more year..if he rolls with Rex/Beck or some crappy vet like Orton, he might end up being done after 2012-- and rightly so because that is a complete path to failure as a franchise

You're probably right but I'm saying that I've pretty much convinced myself that almost no price is too much for the chance to have him play here.

When has Shanny taken risks? They still play stiff Vets over rookies/young players no matter how bad the vet is.

Thats possible, but if everyone knows that, the price will get too steep for his tastes.

price will likely go up on RGIII IF Cleveland doesnt sign Flynn

but what will the price be for Foles, Weeden, Tannehill, Lindley, etc ?

None of them will cost more than a late 1st round pick, at the most..Shanahan could trade the 6 pick and move back and target any of those guys

The price will probably already be 4 1st/2nd round picks. If Cleveland sigs flynn, then Seattle will be in on Rg3.

In theory yes, but if Shanny decides that he doesn't like them, he'll pass.

We have better picks than Seattle, if we are willing to offer them. The word up here is that Carroll truly likes T Jackson and wants to give him 1 more year..but if he flops this year, Carroll will be all in for Barkely next year.. we dont have to worry about Seattle..Miami is another matter..New coaches need new QB's, but I also see them as the natural landing spot for Peyton.. warm weather.. history of exceptional qb play in Marino, etc..

Cleveland is the key to the whole business..if they sign Flynn, then RGIII will be a Redskin if Shanahan wants him

I also agree that if Shanahan doesnt truly love any of the other QB's he wont pick them.. he proved that last year... but IF he does feel that way, expect a major push to go after Flynn, or maybe even Alex Smith if the Niners dawdle

He simply wont reprise the Rx/Beck/Clemons fiasco because Snyder wont be able to half fill the stadium if he does that..Shanahan understands the business side, he has made a fortune out of doing things his way but wont go down the path that is financially embarrassing for the franchise

I think Shanahan has said enough negative things publicly this year to make me think he would not roll with Rex in 2012. Again, I think a Rex type (Orton maybe) is a possibility, but someone other than Rex.

I see where Akh is coming from on Shanny's thinking on the rookies. If he loves RGIII, the price may be too steep, and then he won't talk himself into someone else. He'll just draft for other positions. With the right placeholder, that plan could work for 2012 to improve the win total, but still not make the team a contender.

I can see Shanahan having mixed emotions. He knows he only gets one shot at the QB of the future thing. He probably desperately wants to fall in love and pull the trigger this offseason, but if the price is steep (cap space or traded picks) for his target, I can see him being gun shy.

Personally, I need a reason to hope again. Every season since Gibbs retired, I get a little less enthusiastic about the games. A QB (other than a placeholder) will go a long way in restoring my interest.

I think Flynn and Smith are likely to be settled well before the draft. I think the FO benefited from having the draft first. It helped them to organize their priorities in FA. I worry having FA before the draft will lead to a poor offseason this year.

I have not yet voted but I am leaning towards what I want to happen and what I think will happen are the same. I have faith in this front office not to trade up(or give up to much to move to the rams spot). I think this FO shows patience and will see what happens at the #6 spot either get blackmon or trade down to get Jeffery then Tannehill later in the rd or rd 2. I wasnt impressed with what we got when we traded back last year thought we could have gotten more then we did.I also think that Flynn will be an option. To me the Browns would be a better fit or better option for the Browns.

agree that Flynn, Smith, Peyton will all be settled before the draft.. also Shanahan will get a long look at most of the draftable prospects other than RGIII and Tannehill at the SB.. he will know what his options are to a large degree.

also, dont lose sight of the fact that this is also about putting fans butts in the seats and selling team merchandise.. no one is ever going to buy a Rex jersey but there is no telling how many thousand RGIII jerseys will leap off the shelves before he even takes a snap for us...i also think a lot of fans are thinking about other things to do on sunday at this point, and drafting a Tackle or CB isnt about to generate much excitement right now to counterbalance the thought of another year with Rex turning the ball over...

To get up to St.Louis' pick it should cost us this year and next years first and maybe a second or a third this year. No way Fisher turns down a first next year when Martin is just as good as Kahlil and can be had at 6.

I think that Reiff may actually be the better prospect.. he reminds me a lot of Jim Lachey..Tall, lanky, smooth and an excellent pass protector already

All that matters is if they bid on him. That will increase the price.

I wouldn't count out Miami or Philly. Especially Miami who probably is right in thinking that they're a QB away.

Which is why signing a "big" name like Vince Young would be in the cards. Look at this board Shally: people easily talked themselves into Grossman last summer. There's posters who still think Beck can be a good Qb. Shanny gets his 7 million a year no matter what and he can just make up stories of Snyder meddling to spin after he leaves.