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BIGREDSKINSFAN1963 02-08-2012 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by shally (Post 1429223)
i dont know that all 3 receivers get in..1 for certain; 2 possibly.. would have to look and see what other receivers will become Hall eligible in the next 5 years..certainly Moss will be a first ballot inductee, second at the very worst..

I Think moss should get in there 1st ballott,but he never treated the writers very respectful and i got a feeling they'll try to show him he should'nt have by denying him a vote in on the 1st ballott. I'd like to see tim brown get in,classy guy,but i hope chris carter never gets in.

Keino 02-08-2012 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Moe (Post 1429326)
That's kinda curious. You'd rather have a flashier, albeit lesser, player than a great one? It's the "White Men Can't Jump" conundrum; would you rather look good and lose or look bad and win?



I'd argue with you using the word 'mainly,' his stats alone make him worthy, but we've all seen that being in the spotlight is a major advantage in these popularity contests.

Wait, I don't know that I would call Earl Campbell a lesser player. I get and completely agree with the point you are making, but I don't think I would call E.C. a lesser player than C Mart.

Moe 02-08-2012 10:24 AM

I mean career-wise. Martin had 10 seasons of 1000+ yards versus Campbell doing that 5 times. Martin had 3300+ yards receiving versus 800 for Campbell. In any given season (not counting outliers) taking Campbell over Martin wouldn't be a mistake but under the framework of this conversation I found this comparison to be off.

BIGREDSKINSFAN1963 02-08-2012 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Moe (Post 1429350)
I mean career-wise. Martin had 10 seasons of 1000+ yards versus Campbell doing that 5 times. Martin had 3300+ yards receiving versus 800 for Campbell. In any given season (not counting outliers) taking Campbell over Martin wouldn't be a mistake but under the framework of this conversation I found this comparison to be off.

Earl Campbell was the hardest ever rb to tackle before he messed his knees up.If any rbs deserve to be in the HOF,it's campbell,csonka,and riggins!
i bet you could count the number of times they were tackled in the open field
by one guy on 1 hand! that is why EC,and the other two guys got into the HOF!

Skins7ny 02-09-2012 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by flave1969 (Post 1429216)
10 straight 1000 yard seasons on the ground is a feat very few players have managed. Also need to point out that Martin was a decent receiver out of the backfield who had 484 career receptions, he is 8th all time in yards from scrimmage and did that in just 11 seasons. He absolutely deserves this.

As for Carter, Brown and Reed they all IMO deserve to get in. They form a lineage that must be respected. All these guys began their careers in the 80's and they will get in eventually. Carter unlike the others has always run his own agenda and the fawning from his ESPN colleagues this weekend made me want to puke, it just erodes any sympathy you have for the guy.

I could never see fans rallying around Carter like we did as a fanbase for Monk.

Monk is pure class, Carter is pure ass. If Monk called as much attention to himself as Carter did to himself, and had his friends pimp his reputation as much as Carter did, Monk would have been on cereal boxes nationwide. Monk can stare at his 3 Super Bowl rings and his HOF jacket while Carter stares into a TV camera.

I still think on occasion of the ovation Monk got at HOF ceremony, and it still gets me emotional. What an outstanding moment, made possible by fellow Redskins fans who went to Canton to watch the induction. Kudos to all who went and showed James Arthur and the entire football world what we Redskins fans, who know him better than any out-of-town fan, writer or Hall of Fame voter, think of him.

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Originally Posted by shally (Post 1429330)
yup.. very well regarded up here

You really shouild change your "location" on your profile. It still has you in Saints' country.
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Originally Posted by BIGREDSKINSFAN1963 (Post 1429337)
I Think moss should get in there 1st ballott,but he never treated the writers very respectful and i got a feeling they'll try to show him he should'nt have by denying him a vote in on the 1st ballott. I'd like to see tim brown get in,classy guy,but i hope chris carter never gets in.

Not talking to the writers definitely hurt Monk. I agree that talking to the press is part of a player's oblgation, but it should have nothing to do with whether a player is HOF-worthy or not.

Keino 02-09-2012 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Skins7ny (Post 1429483)
Monk is pure class, Carter is pure ass. If Monk called as much attention to himself as Carter did to himself, and had his friends pimp his reputation as much as Carter did, Monk would have been on cereal boxes nationwide. Monk can stare at his 3 Super Bowl rings and his HOF jacket while Carter stares into a TV camera.

I still think on occasion of the ovation Monk got at HOF ceremony, and it still gets me emotional. What an outstanding moment, made possible by fellow Redskins fans who went to Canton to watch the induction. Kudos to all who went and showed James Arthur and the entire football world what we Redskins fans, who know him better than any out-of-town fan, writer or Hall of Fame voter, think of him.


Never have I been more proud of the Redskins fanbase, than on the day Monk was inducted. I am glad we made the world wait while we showered him with long overdue applause. He never should have had to wait as long as he did to get into the HOF.

RedskinsDave 02-09-2012 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Keino (Post 1429486)
Never have I been more proud of the Redskins fanbase, than on the day Monk was inducted. I am glad we made the world wait while we showered him with long overdue applause. He never should have had to wait as long as he did to get into the HOF.

4 of the best minutes I have spent as a Redskins fan. That whole weekend was amazing.

Skins7ny 02-09-2012 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Keino (Post 1429486)
Never have I been more proud of the Redskins fanbase, than on the day Monk was inducted. I am glad we made the world wait while we showered him with long overdue applause. He never should have had to wait as long as he did to get into the HOF.

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Originally Posted by RedskinsDave (Post 1429489)
4 of the best minutes I have spent as a Redskins fan. That whole weekend was amazing.

I would have loved to have been there. You and the rest of the fans attending the ceremony did us very proud. Monk having to wait so long for induction was a travesty of football justice. You showed everybody how we in DC felt about the snub and more importantly, about what Monk meant to this franchise.

It is strange to think that a guy who was a 1st-round draft pick from a major school, caught 940 balls, ammassed about 13,000 yards, played in the playoffs several years and won 3 rings could be so incredibly underrated by the football public. Guys like John Madden understood his value on and off the field. People nationally talk until they are blue in the face about Jerry Rice, and taking nothing away from him, he was a great player and a pro's pro, but it baffles me that Art Monk didn't get 1/10th the recognition outside of Washington that Rice did. I know part of it is that he generally did not do interviews or talk to the press. the guy was the definition of "clucth" and was the one constant on all of our great teams, along with the core Hogs. It hurt his reputation that he was hurt for our first Super Bowl run under Gibbs, and limited in the second one. He played in plenty of marquee national games. He should be recognized as the bridge between the dominant WRs of the prior era and those of the pass-happy modern era. When he caught 100 balls in 1984, it had not been done yet in the NFL (Charely Hennigan did it once in the early 60s, but I believe that was in the AFL, which was a pass-happier league, still a great accomplishmet though). He caught 91 the next year, when no one else in the league was putting up those kind of numbers.

shally 02-09-2012 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Skins7ny (Post 1429483)

You really shouild change your "location" on your profile. It still has you in Saints' country.
.


where my heart remains....

BIGREDSKINSFAN1963 02-09-2012 11:30 AM

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Monk is pure class, Carter is pure ass. If Monk called as much attention to himself as Carter did to himself, and had his friends pimp his reputation as much as Carter did, Monk would have been on cereal boxes nationwide. Monk can stare at his 3 Super Bowl rings and his HOF jacket while Carter stares into a TV camera.

I still think on occasion of the ovation Monk got at HOF ceremony, and it still gets me emotional. What an outstanding moment, made possible by fellow Redskins fans who went to Canton to watch the induction. Kudos to all who went and showed James Arthur and the entire football world what we Redskins fans, who know him better than any out-of-town fan, writer or Hall of Fame voter, think of him.
well said.and the great thing about monk making it in,darrell green got to go in with him.

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Not talking to the writers definitely hurt Monk. I agree that talking to the press is part of a player's oblgation, but it should have nothing to do with whether a player is HOF-worthy or not

I Don't think it should either,but let's face a lot of the sportswriters out there today have their little petty torments and enjoy playing god in voting for players.

Skins7ny 02-11-2012 08:31 PM

[Repeat post by mistake-see post below. Sorry for the error].

Skins7ny 02-11-2012 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by shally (Post 1429502)
where my heart remains....

I have never been, but from what I hear, it is an easy place to fall in love with.
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Originally Posted by BIGREDSKINSFAN1963 (Post 1429507)
well said.and the great thing about monk making it in,darrell green got to go in with him.

I Don't think it should either,but let's face a lot of the sportswriters out there today have their little petty torments and enjoy playing god in voting for players.

Thank you. It was extra nice that DGreen got to go in with Monk. It made that HOF class really Redskins-centric, and gave us fans something to cheer about, which we sorely needed (and still do).

I really think Art Monk was the glue that held the Skins together during our glory years. He was the guy who all the other players looked to in terms of practice, work habits and dedication. The guy had 3% body fat at 209 lbs., and kept himself in fantastic shape, playing the position physically as well with his speed. He was a tremendous blocker, and in an era when too many receivers run 6 yard routes on 3rd-and-7, I never saw him run a pattern short and I never saw him not pick up a first down. Ever.

If we had had more players like Art Monk the last 20 years, our team wouldn't have been in the sorry state it has been in during that time. We have had a number of great, class guys like Ken Harvey, London Fletcher, etc. during tha time, but we have brought in too many guys who were not about sacrifice and team and winning, and that is what Art Monk was about. I am very opposed to hero-worship of athletes, but Art Monk is a guy I have a world of respect for.

BIGREDSKINSFAN1963 02-12-2012 10:37 AM

I Still hope that tool cris carter never gets into the HOF!

FanFromArizona 02-19-2012 08:21 AM

Saw this article today and starting laughing.

Cris Carter, other rejects simply need to wait their turn to enter Hall of Fame

flave1969 02-19-2012 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FanFromArizona (Post 1430171)

I read that as well yesterday and had to admit to a chuckle myself. I look at the last few classes and I cannot find many if any players that do not deserve their induction.

These guys will get in eventually.


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