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[rskinsfan10]

http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=38348

[redskin_rich]

First off, yeah the Cuban cigars are superior to the Dominican but it comes at a price. Nevertheless, I never pass up on the real Cohibans when I have the chance.

I don't get what Doc is thinking at all with his Collins remarks. I think he is just trying to say something different. Campbell is the only QB with a future here and he needs to play now, even if he starts out wretched, which I don't think will happen.
Then he kind of contradicts himself with his closing comments about stretching the field and having played with a handicap. Does he believe that Collins could have done that? I agree that this system was not a good fit for Brunell and that Mark has been playing hurt but I went to camp and saw what Collins has. Put it this way, if Brunell's arm is a wet noodle, then Collins arm is the soup.

Interesting take by Doc, different than what most say but I'm not sure I'm on the same page as him, other than his comments on the defense and his weekly presciption, which were spot on, IMO.

[rskinsfan10]

Originally Posted by redskin_rich

First off, yeah the Cuban cigars are superior to the Dominican but it comes at a price. Nevertheless, I never pass up on the real Cohibans when I have the chance.

I don't get what Doc is thinking at all with his Collins remarks. I think he is just trying to say something different. Campbell is the only QB with a future here and he needs to play now, even if he starts out wretched, which I don't think will happen.
Then he kind of contradicts himself with his closing comments about stretching the field and having played with a handicap. Does he believe that Collins could have done that? I agree that this system was not a good fit for Brunell and that Mark has been playing hurt but I went to camp and saw what Collins has. Put it this way, if Brunell's arm is a wet noodle, then Collins arm is the soup.

Interesting take by Doc, different than what most say but I'm not sure I'm on the same page as him, other than his comments on the defense and his weekly presciption, which were spot on, IMO.

He has been on the JT Show talking about Collins for weeks, that I can confirm because I am a regular listener. His take is if the guy knows the system, then how much worse can things be in comparison to the current production up to this point. Also, the thing about going downfield, in our conversations that aren't taped he has mentioned several times about simply taking chances downfield because of the disadvantages that DBs face with the current rules, regardless of who the QB is.

[hail2skins]

I don't know why people are questioning the Mark Brunell injury. He was injured in the game before the bye week but he played through it. Then we heard reports of Campbell taking some of the snaps because Mark's ribs (injury). How can you forget that.

I also can confirm that Doc has been talking Collins for weeks and what Kenny said is his justification. He basically said he wanted to see Al Saunders offense run the way Al likes it. Since Collins knew it, he should have gotten some playing time. His comment about he thought the bye week would have been a good time to do it is in conflict with the way the QB depth was implemented. I do question why Mark was playing if he was injured and that falls on the coach himself for playing an injured person.

[NCskinsfanatic]

Originally Posted by hail2skins

I don't know why people are questioning the Mark Brunell injury. He was injured in the game before the bye week but he played through it. Then we heard reports of Campbell taking some of the snaps because Mark's ribs (injury). How can you forget that.

I was just about to post the same thing until I read through the entire thread. I agree, Brunell was injured and I remember Gibbs commenting on it. As for Collins I think because he isnt the future and JC has been patient this is the way to go, it will certainly help at the start of next season if he proves he's everything Joe expected over the next 7 games.

[shally]

Originally Posted by rskinsfan10

http://hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=38348

great stuff... thanks so much.. and i agree about pounding tampa.. especially if rice and wyms are less than 100 %

[silverspring]

I am just really suprised by the whole brunell is injured thing. I was just debating about this in another thread. I just don't get it, since when was brunell that badly injured?
Even the staunchest of brunell supporters will agree that he is completely useless injured. Everyone in the NFL knows this. So if this is true why on earth was he played, why was he not listed more severely on the injury report and why does he let himself be played when he knows he is hurting his team.
I generally agree 100% with the doc comments, but he also threw me for a loop by even suggesting that todd collins should be getting playing time before cambell. Todd collins is just another old lifetime backup that we should not be investing playing time in. And if doc is right, it also is a bit perplexing why collins would or even needs to be receiving all the work if he already is such an expert in the system.
Anyways it doesn't matter now, cause it is Cambell time.

[BurgundyNGold]

Cohibas are nice, but they're usually a bit too tight to enjoy without some serious pulling. I'm partial to the Romeo y Julieta and the Montecristo, personally. The Cuban Partagas are pretty nice as well, as are the H. Upmann.

As for Doc, he's dead on as usual. I love reading what he has to say.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

A few interesting things there..
1) The Collins comment..I really disagree. Collins hasn't played a snap in any kind of significant game in years, he is almost as old as Brunell, has no future on this team (hopefully) excapt for a backup role. And besides, putting him in instead of Campbell would basically have meant throwing our first round pick away without ever seeing him on the field. It woul dhave been unacceptible to have had 3 different QBs play before Campbell did once we drafted him (Brunell, Ramsey, Collins).
2) He is stating it as a fact that Brunell was injured. Obviously I have no idea if this is true or not, but if it is, somebody has to explain why he was played anyways. We've already seen that Brunell is incapable of producing anything positive on the field while playing injured, and I would hate to have thrown away the season because we forced him out there even though he was nowhere close to 100%.

[wewantdallas]

Doc wanting Collins in is beyond bizarre to me. What in the world would that possibly accomplish?

It's also bizarre to me that so many people claim to "not understand" the QB structure we had when Brunnell was starting. It always made perfect sense to me that Collins would come into a game situation if Brunell went out injured, simply because he understand the offense better than Campbell, and that Campbell would then start if he was able to have a week to prepare. It's like people are just searching for ways to question Gibbs' competence sometimes, because I was never in the least bit confused about that.

As to Brunell being injured, Doc is the ONLY one who has said anything at all about that in all the local and national media I've heard. I want some proof of that. I haven't seen it. Beaten up? Old and battered? Yeah, I'd agree with that, but injured? I haven't seen it. He really hasn't even been hit very much this year at all.

I think Doc's been on some meds of his own this week.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Originally Posted by wewantdallas

Doc wanting Collins in is beyond bizarre to me. What in the world would that possibly accomplish?

It's also bizarre to me that so many people claim to "not understand" the QB structure we had when Brunnell was starting. It always made perfect sense to me that Collins would come into a game situation if Brunell went out injured, simply because he understand the offense better than Campbell, and that Campbell would then start if he was able to have a week to prepare. It's like people are just searching for ways to question Gibbs' competence sometimes, because I was never in the least bit confused about that.

As to Brunell being injured, Doc is the ONLY one who has said anything at all about that in all the local and national media I've heard. I want some proof of that. I haven't seen it. Beaten up? Old and battered? Yeah, I'd agree with that, but injured? I haven't seen it. He really hasn't even been hit very much this year at all.

I think Doc's been on some meds of his own this week.

The one thing I did not like about our QB depth chart was taht with Campbell being #3, and this goes back to last year as well, we gave up many opportunities to bring him in in the 4th quarter of games we were either dominating (San Fran last year for example), or we were being blown out (take your pick of our road NFC games this year and Indianapolis). He could have gotten in almost a couple of games worth of playing time from that..

[redskin_rich]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcHaggis

The one thing I did not like about our QB depth chart was taht with Campbell being #3, and this goes back to last year as well, we gave up many opportunities to bring him in in the 4th quarter of games we were either dominating (San Fran last year for example), or we were being blown out (take your pick of our road NFC games this year and Indianapolis). He could have gotten in almost a couple of games worth of playing time from that..

You've been reading too many of CNY's posts. The #3 QB could have played in the 4th quarter of any game, with no stipulations, if the coaches had chose to play him.

[wewantdallas]

Originally Posted by SpicyMcHaggis

The one thing I did not like about our QB depth chart was taht with Campbell being #3, and this goes back to last year as well, we gave up many opportunities to bring him in in the 4th quarter of games we were either dominating (San Fran last year for example), or we were being blown out (take your pick of our road NFC games this year and Indianapolis). He could have gotten in almost a couple of games worth of playing time from that..

Gibbs has never done this with any of his QBs. VERY rarely would he bring in a guy to "mop up" a game. He's said that he never liked to do it and never thought the QB got much out of it, either. Don't know if I agree, but that's what he's said...

[rskinsfan10]

Originally Posted by wewantdallas

As to Brunell being injured, Doc is the ONLY one who has said anything at all about that in all the local and national media I've heard. I want some proof of that. I haven't seen it. Beaten up? Old and battered? Yeah, I'd agree with that, but injured? I haven't seen it. He really hasn't even been hit very much this year at all.

You don't recall Campbell getting the majority of the snaps during the bye because Brunell was injured? That was highly reported.

[shally]

Originally Posted by rskinsfan10

You don't recall Campbell getting the majority of the snaps during the bye because Brunell was injured? That was highly reported.

i think that doc made an excellent point about brunell being hurt more than reported... over 3 years it was easy to tell when brunell was beat up because his play degraded seriously..