NFL owners opt out of labor deal

[akhhorus]

The vote:

32-0. Per Sportscenter

Link

[NCskinsfanatic]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

The vote:

32-0. Per Sportscenter, link to follow.

And the drama begins...so much for Roger pleading to the owners to not opt out.

[shally]

Originally Posted by NCskinsfanatic

And the drama begins...so much for Roger pleading to the owners to not opt out.

32-0 ?

hard to get ownership to agree on anything...still, i doubt this kind of unanimity will stick

[CNYSkinFan]

this is a prelude to rookie salary caps,I guarantee you that

[NCskinsfanatic]

Originally Posted by CNYSkinFan

this is a prelude to rookie salary caps,I guarantee you that

I agreee 100%...maybe this is something else they can all agree on shally.

[Cutter]

That's what I was saying months ago. I don't think the overall structure will change much. But I see those rookies getting slotted similar to Basketball.

[shally]

Originally Posted by CNYSkinFan

this is a prelude to rookie salary caps,I guarantee you that

badly needed...

the loss of year 1 by so many rookies has to be addressed.. no reason to have holdouts. do something like what the nba does..

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by CNYSkinFan

this is a prelude to rookie salary caps,I guarantee you that

Agree - One of the major point for sure.
I'd really like to see them rebuild the entire salary system and go with something radical like ....... Pay For Performance Individual as well as Team/Organizational. Never happen - Players would never agree to a system like that - much better to get paid in a non-motivational atmosphere.

[PyroGenic]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Agree - One of the major point for sure.
I'd really like to see them rebuild the entire salary system and go with something radical like ....... Pay For Performance Individual as well as Team/Organizational. Never happen - Players would never agree to a system like that - much better to get paid in a non-motivational atmosphere.

Well I'm guessing that the players' argument would be that it would be unfair if they were to get injured. Obviously, if they get injured, they can't "perform" and all that money they had the potential to make goes bye-bye. Factor that in with playing time and that gives the coach even more power over the players... not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it can certainly make things more interesting. In a profession where a wrong step can literally end your career, purely performance-based salaries with no guarantees will never happen.

[Meatsnack]

I am pretty surprised that all 32 owners agreed to this. There must be one or two items that are really affecting both the Green Bays and the New Englands in there to force this.

According to the old thread discussing the CBA changes, the teams with the top 8 records, not the top 8 cap numbers, will be retricted to dollar for dolar contract swaps like an NBA team up against the cap. So, if Scott Pioli wanted to sign LaDanian Tomlinson, and LT commanded a $10M/year deal, the Pats would have to cut $10M/year in current contracts to sign him.

So, essentially, if the 2009 season passes without an agreement on the horizon, it is the teams with lousy records and big pocketbook owners which stand to benefit the most.

However, a team in the top 8 , which is butting hard up against the cap all the time like Washington, could easily cut dead wood and sign better players because that inflated cap number gives them a bigger pie to cut up among the players. A team like Philly, which is usually $30M under the cap, would be severly handicapped in an uncapped year if they were in the top 8 because their "pie" would be $30M smaller. Weird.

I really hope these guys don't kill the goose that laid the golden egg here. I remember the '82 season almost like it was yesterday and Fall sucks without football being played on Sundays, point blank.

I gave-up on baseball after the strike in '96 and haven't been to game since both because of my disgust at players and owners and because Bud Selig is slime. Kennesaw Mountain Landis wouldn't wipe his feet on Selig. If football goes down the same road, I would be really pissed off.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Agree - One of the major point for sure.
I'd really like to see them rebuild the entire salary system and go with something radical like ....... Pay For Performance Individual as well as Team/Organizational. Never happen - Players would never agree to a system like that - much better to get paid in a non-motivational atmosphere.

This was discussed in another thread. There's 2 problems with it:
1-Its impossible to agree on to a metric which would accurately judge a player's contribution to a team. Especially for a positions on the line. I could seriously make the case that a DT with 0 sacks was a major force in the pass rush(or took up double teams to free up a DE), and should be rewarded as a quality player.

2-Football is a team game, and there's very few places/times where you could say that the player was solely responsible for a good or bad play. In baseball, the batter is almost solely responsible for his hitting and a pitcher is largely responsible for his pitching(and when he's not, when his defense commits an error for instance, its easy to score as such). So, a good player could be unfairly rewarded for having a good team around him that lets him succeed and a bad player could be unfairly penalized by having a bad team around him that holds him back.

[NamVet4]

The simple fact is that in the billionaire’s club that is the NFL, Snyder isn’t up there with the real big boys when it comes to personal wealth. To be sure, unlike Buffalo’s Ralph Wilson and Wayne Weaver of the Jags, he sits at the grownups’ table, but Seahawks owner Paul Allen could pull enough out of petty cash to buy and sell Snyder a few times over. Snyder made his money in advertising; Jerry Jones made his in oil. Jones’ black gold fortune is substantially larger than what Snyder amassed in marketing.

Enjoy !!!!!

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[Cutter]

Jerry JOnes said something about new accounting for cap when talking about the Barber/Newman deals. Any insights on how this changes the cap before that magic year?