Pro Football Weekly Calais Campbell Article

[Nomad]

"The only consistent thing about the Cardinals' defense so far this season has been its inconsistency. One defender, however, who has definitely exceeded expectations is 2008 second-round DE Calais Campbell, who team insiders believe has done a solid job replacing the departed Antonio Smith in the starting lineup. Campbell was asked by PFW in a phone interview four days before the arrival of Smith and the Texans in Arizona for their Week Five game against the Cardinals if he was satisfied with his play in the season's early stages. "Well, I love to play, and I'm satisfied that I've been on the field a lot more after being on the sideline so much last season," Campbell said. "But I haven't been tackling as well as I can or been as explosive as I need to be." Of course, having a sounding board like 13th-year veteran Bryan Robinson certainly doesn't hurt. "Without a doubt," Campbell said of Robinson. "When I have any questions, he's the first guy I go to."

We took Devin Thomas 12 spots or so before Calais. Had we drafted and played him, we could have used this year's 2nd we didn't have on a RT. Anyhoo, easy to 2nd guess drafts, but a few years later...

[akhhorus]

You continually base your criticisms on the assumption that the problem is a lack of picks, and if the skins just didn't trade away X draft pick, that they would have fixed Y problem. There's absolutely no evidence that the skins would have drafted a RT if they didn't trade away the 2nd for Taylor, mainly the fact that they refused to do anything about the RT position in 2009 and when given extra picks(for instance the 2008 draft) they refuse to address obvious needs. The skins could have 10 first round picks a year and they still wouldn't make the right picks.

As for Campbell: I don't think that 11 tackles and half a sack in 3 starts is doing that well for a 2nd round pick either. Thats only a half a sack more than Philip Daniels' stats on the season.

[Nomad]

You continually base your criticisms on the assumption that the problem is a lack of picks, and if the skins just didn't trade away X draft pick, that they would have fixed Y problem.

YOU DEFENDED THE TAYLOR TRADE, I CRITICIZED IT. IT WAS INDEFENSIBLE.

There's absolutely no evidence that the skins would have drafted a RT if they didn't trade away the 2nd for Taylor

AGREED. BUT WE COULD HAVE DRAFTED A SLB OR RT. AND (HA, HA) PLAYED OUR 1ST ROUND DE AT DE IF IT WAS A SLB. BUT I AGREE, CERRATO PROBABLY WOULD HAVE DRAFTED ANOTHER CB OR WR.


the fact that they refused to do anything about the RT position in 2009 and when given extra picks(for instance the 2008 draft) they refuse to address obvious needs. The skins could have 10 first round picks a year and they still wouldn't make the right picks.

AGREED.

As for Campbell: I don't think that 11 tackles and half a sack in 3 starts is doing that well for a 2nd round pick either. Thats only a half a sack more than Philip Daniels' stats on the season.

BOTTOM LINE, HAD WE DRAFTED CALAIS, WE DON'T MAKE THE TAYLOR TRADE, WE START CALAIS. CALAIS HAS PRODUCED WAY MORE THAN ALL 3 OF OUR 2ND ROUND PICKS COMBINED. JUST INTERESTING LOOKING BACK AT IT LATER. TEAMS LIKE THE GIANTS DRAFT STUDS WITH 2ND ROUND PICKS.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Nomad

YOU DEFENDED THE TAYLOR TRADE, I CRITICIZED IT. IT WAS INDEFENSIBLE.

That has nothing to do with what I wrote. In fact, its totally irrelevant to what I said.

Originally Posted by Nomad

AGREED. BUT WE COULD HAVE DRAFTED A SLB OR RT. AND (HA, HA) PLAYED OUR 1ST ROUND DE AT DE IF IT WAS A SLB. BUT I AGREE, CERRATO PROBABLY WOULD HAVE DRAFTED ANOTHER CB OR WR.

So, you decided to write this in all caps, why?

Originally Posted by Nomad

BOTTOM LINE, HAD WE DRAFTED CALAIS, WE DON'T MAKE THE TAYLOR TRADE, WE START CALAIS.

Thats a counterfactual. We don't know what the skins would have done if they drafted Campbell, and even you agree that the skins would have had another high draft pick they probably would have wasted. The simple fact is that if the skins wanted to do something about the RT position, they would have done it regardless of what draft picks they had.

Originally Posted by Nomad

CALAIS HAS PRODUCED WAY MORE THAN ALL 3 OF OUR 2ND ROUND PICKS COMBINED.

Considering how little Campbell's actually done, while Thomas/Kelly/Davis have done little, Campbell hasn't produced more than any of them, much less all 3 of them.

Originally Posted by Nomad

JUST INTERESTING LOOKING BACK AT IT LATER. TEAMS LIKE THE GIANTS DRAFT STUDS WITH 2ND ROUND PICKS.

So, we should emulate the Giants, and trade away 2 top 11 picks for 1 #1 overall pick, giving up 3 pro bowl players for 1? Or give out a 42 million dollar contract to a player who's their 3rd DE and 4th DT?

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

yeah i called for campbell but he's not all that, i have also called for mankins, hester, and sproles to no avail. anyways i think we couldve picked campbell with the 2nd pick in the 2nd rd.. maybe he went one pick earlier

[redskin_rich]

Originally Posted by Taylor21TheUndertaker

yeah i called for campbell but he's not all that, i have also called for mankins, hester, and sproles to no avail. anyways i think we couldve picked campbell with the 2nd pick in the 2nd rd.. maybe he went one pick earlier

I wanted Jordy Nelson and Steve Slaton and with the maneuvering we did, we could have had them and Calais Campbell. Whatever, we can all play that game but I bet we could all have hit on some better players than Vinny did. BPA, my arse, Danny/Vinny get caught up in the measurables.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by redskin_rich

I wanted Jordy Nelson and Steve Slaton and with the maneuvering we did, we could have had them and Calais Campbell. Whatever, we can all play that game but I bet we could all have hit on some better players than Vinny did. BPA, my arse, Danny/Vinny get caught up in the measurables.

rich ,i think the redskins draft along the same lines as my wife selects the winners for her office football weekly pool ,that goes like this " the lions at the cowboys " my wife would select the lions because in real life a lion could beat a cowboy. yeah all of us here probably could do as well as these clowns , liked curtis johnson in this draft myself, of course he went before our second round pick.

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

That has nothing to do with what I wrote. In fact, its totally irrelevant to what I said.

Had we taken Calais, the Taylor trade is never necessary. I said this last year when you defended the trade, and I condemned it.

So, you decided to write this in all caps, why?



Thats a counterfactual. We don't know what the skins would have done if they drafted Campbell, and even you agree that the skins would have had another high draft pick they probably would have wasted. The simple fact is that if the skins wanted to do something about the RT position, they would have done it regardless of what draft picks they had.

More Akh arguing, minutae selection which ignores the broad point. Ignored.

Considering how little Campbell's actually done, while Thomas/Kelly/Davis have done little, Campbell hasn't produced more than any of them, much less all 3 of them.

Ha, ha. Kelly/Thomas/Davis have produced NOTHING. Campbell plays regularly and effectively, even if he isn't the next Michael Strahan or Reggie White, he is a starter who plays regularly, more than our 2nd rounders can say.

So, we should emulate the Giants, and trade away 2 top 11 picks for 1 #1 overall pick, giving up 3 pro bowl players for 1? Or give out a 42 million dollar contract to a player who's their 3rd DE and 4th DT?

They have depth all over the roster, are 4-0, have won a Superbowl by upsetting one of the most dominant teams in NFL history. Have the Chargers won a Superbowl w/Rivers? The Giants are doing something right.
One could pick a worse team to emulate. We have traded almost 2 whole drafts away for nothing since Snyder bought team, at least Eli won one Superbowl. The young receivers the Giants drafted are actually producing--more than we can say.

The Giants pass rush & DL is one of the most feared in the NFL. They feel they didn't go to SB last year in large part because their D-L tired down the stretch. They addressed this by adding quality depth. They beat the Pats in SB in large part by bringing heat and getting to Brady. While we sign Hall and other players to monster deals, and usually draft CBs and Safeties and WRs with high picks, they spend money on the defensive trenches. We don't have one quality d-linemen we drafted and developed. Not one. Except supplemental guy we don't even play. The only DL we drafted is promptly moved to LB. Moronic.

I don't think Eli is hall of famer, but I'd swap him for the mentally slow non-D-reading Campbell in a second. They are set at next decade at the most important position. More than we can say. They can do the one thing that matters most on D: pressure the passer. We can't.

That you have a problem w/this approach is ridiculous. For several years now, the Giants have been one of the better teams in football.

[Farmer Ted]

Campbell isn't on the Skins and never was. What is this thread doing here? Do we draft Jarmon if we already had Campbell? I'd take Jarmon over Campbell anyday.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Originally Posted by Farmer Ted

Campbell isn't on the Skins and never was. What is this thread doing here? Do we draft Jarmon if we already had Campbell? I'd take Jarmon over Campbell anyday.

What is this doing in the Cherokee instead of the Navajo? If every valuable player the Skins have passed on deserved a thread, this site wouldn't be called hailRedskins.com; it would be called......

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Nomad

They have depth all over the roster, are 4-0, have won a Superbowl by upsetting one of the most dominant teams in NFL history. Have the Chargers won a Superbowl w/Rivers? The Giants are doing something right.

So, if the skins traded away 2 first rounds and ended up trading away 3 pro bowl players, you wouldn't criticize the skins..right.

Originally Posted by Nomad

One could pick a worse team to emulate. We have traded almost 2 whole drafts away for nothing since Snyder bought team, at least Eli won one Superbowl. The young receivers the Giants drafted are actually producing--more than we can say.

That has to do with coaching more than drafting.

Originally Posted by Nomad

The Giants pass rush & DL is one of the most feared in the NFL. They feel they didn't go to SB last year in large part because their D-L tired down the stretch. They addressed this by adding quality depth. They beat the Pats in SB in large part by bringing heat and getting to Brady.

That has to do with coaching more than drafting. They do have talent on the Dline, but they had that talent for years and did little with it. It was Spags who made them into that fearsome group.

Originally Posted by Nomad

While we sign Hall and other players to monster deals, and usually draft CBs and Safeties and WRs with high picks, they spend money on the defensive trenches. We don't have one quality d-linemen we drafted and developed. Not one. Except supplemental guy we don't even play. The only DL we drafted is promptly moved to LB. Moronic.

Like I said: its all about coaching.

Originally Posted by Nomad

I don't think Eli is hall of famer, but I'd swap him for the mentally slow non-D-reading Campbell in a second. They are set at next decade at the most important position. More than we can say. They can do the one thing that matters most on D: pressure the passer. We can't.

That you have a problem w/this approach is ridiculous. For several years now, the Giants have been one of the better teams in football.

Because they have had great coaching, especially their coordinators. The skins haven't.

[VegasSkinsFan]

We didnt draft CC because we already had MW playing SLB.