Shanahan and Redskins Talking

[hogs86]

I did not see this posted. After reading the Denver post and this I think the skins next coach will be Shanahan.

Report: Shanahan, Skins have been talking

Posted by Mike Florio on December 18, 2009 8:54 AM ET

Multiple sources have told us in the wake of Daniel Snyder's decision to swap out Vinny Cerrato for Bruce Allen that the maneuver was simply the first step in a plan that culminates with the hiring of Mike Shanahan to coach -- and, as a practical matter, to run -- the team.

Mike Klis of the Denver Post reports that, indeed, Shanahan and the Redskins have been talking about just such an arrangement.

Klis also explains that Shanahan and Allen are indeed a package deal, and that Allen would have gone to Buffalo if Shanahan had been interested in taking over the Bills.

And while the two men have not previously worked together, Klis points out a few links between them.

First, they both worked for the Raiders, so they arguably are in a position to commiserate regarding the challenges of answering to owner Al Davis.

Second, Shanahan's son worked for the Bucs as an assistant coach.

Third, Shanahan and Allen worked together on the trade that sent quarterback Jake Plummer to Tampa. In the end, the Bucs made $3.5 million on the transaction in bonus money recovered from Plummer, who never reported and eventually retired.

So good luck, Redskins, in persuading a minority candidate to interview for a job that many are now convinced will go to Shanahan.

That said, we've got a feeling that the Redskins already have complied with the Rooney Rule by somehow making Greg Blache and/or Jerry Gray believe that they actually have a shot at becoming the next head coach of a team owned by a man who loves to make a big splash -- and who many believe has had his sights set on Shanahan from the moment he became available in January.


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[Monk4HOF]

I would rather have a new head coach, but do the math...

BA + MS >> VC + JZ

It will be nice to be a legit organization again. You can't argue that Allen and Shanahan have been successful in their previous assignments. Their success and experience will be a huge asset when dealing with the unique challenges of running a huge market team with an active owner where the team makes the front page 365 days a year.

[dj_stouty]

Originally Posted by Monk4HOF

I would rather have a new head coach, but do the math...

BA + MS >> VC + JZ

It will be nice to be a legit organization again. You can't argue that Allen and Shanahan have been successful in their previous assignments. Their success and experience will be a huge asset when dealing with the unique challenges of running a huge market team with an active owner where the team makes the front page 365 days a year.

I wasn't a fan of Shanny being the HC and GM...but I could certainly live with Allen as GM and Shanny as HC/President. I think they are both strong personalities that wouldn't let Snyder get his nose too far into the decision making. Dont' get me wrong, Danny will have "some say"...as evident by the "All decisions made will be Redskins decision" comment at the Press Conference. But I think Danny will have less with experienced guys like Shanny and Allen around. In fact, I dont' think Shanny will come to the Skins unless Danny gives him assurances that his level of input will be limited.

[EZCUSE]

I used to live in Dever for about four years. I think everyone in Denver would have agreed with the fact that Shanahan can coach in this league. However, they also would have agreed that he needed someone above him to veto some decisions he made for the Broncos. Hence Shanahan needs an ego check sometimes.

As long as Danny Boy will let Bruce Allen GM and as long as Shanahan does not try to play a minature version of GM and sticks to coaching, I think it could be a good move.

[smittyskin]

Part of me wonders how well they would work together when they both have large egos. I could see them disagreeing early and often on personnel matters and the Skins would be looking for yet another head coach.

Damn my pessimistic tendencies. I must be a Redskins fan.

[sinskin]

Originally Posted by smittyskin

Part of me wonders how well they would work together when they both have large egos. I could see them disagreeing early and often on personnel matters and the Skins would be looking for yet another head coach.

Damn my pessimistic tendencies. I must be a Redskins fan.

Well, there is only one GLARING need for this team right now and thats OLINE. Hard to argue about this. I can see arguing over a QB maybe.

RB.... na....anyone can run in his system. I hope.

[Redskinmayhem]

Guys lets be honest, we don't know how well these guys are going to do here. The main thing is they have an owner that wants to win, and is willing to pay for it. Many owners aren't that open w/ their wallets.

I have this feeling that we're moving in the right direction and that BA instantly added some much needed cred to our FO. It's like, finally, we're doing things the right way.

[BigTex]

Originally Posted by dj_stouty

I wasn't a fan of Shanny being the HC and GM...but I could certainly live with Allen as GM and Shanny as HC/President. I think they are both strong personalities that wouldn't let Snyder get his nose too far into the decision making. Dont' get me wrong, Danny will have "some say"...as evident by the "All decisions made will be Redskins decision" comment at the Press Conference. But I think Danny will have less with experienced guys like Shanny and Allen around. In fact, I dont' think Shanny will come to the Skins unless Danny gives him assurances that his level of input will be limited.

I can live with Shanahan being our head coach under this setup. I DID NOT want him to be here if he was going to be the head coach and the GM. That would've been a complete and utter disaster to give him control of personnel. I feel good about having a real GM in here that will make the calls on draft picks instead of having Shanahan doing two jobs.

[lorimike]

I cannot imagine why any coach would want to come here. QB is a free agent. No O-line. Pourous defense. One of the worst teams in the league. Impatient owner who thinks he's just one or two players away. It is a 5 year rebuilding process that needs to happen here. We are lacking the ownership who will let that happen. There truly is not a postion on the team that does not need an upgrade with the exception of TE. so that is 21 players and only 6 draft picks next spring. Do the math.

[Fathead]

Because a lot of the great coaches want to prove that they can build a winner multiple times. Parcells loved doing that. Built NY, built NE, built NY, built Dallass. He's now building Miami.



Shanahan could very well want to do that somewhere, and having an owner who will pay anything is something he'd love to have, if he can keep Snyder on a leash.

[shally]

Originally Posted by lorimike

I cannot imagine why any coach would want to come here. QB is a free agent. No O-line. Pourous defense. One of the worst teams in the league. Impatient owner who thinks he's just one or two players away. It is a 5 year rebuilding process that needs to happen here. We are lacking the ownership who will let that happen. There truly is not a postion on the team that does not need an upgrade with the exception of TE. so that is 21 players and only 6 draft picks next spring. Do the math.

money..Snyder will open a vault

as big a stage as there is.. win in DC and you have supreme court justices and senators fawning over you

essentially unlimited budget by the owner

LOW expectations to start. people realize it will take time

the greatest fan base anywhere


it wont take 5 years for the right man.. without even changing GM's, the Saints went from 3-13 to the playoffs in ONE off season.. that was essentially on the basis of the Head Coach and a new starting QB.. that 3-13 team had less talent than the Redskins of 2009

B'more went from last to playoffs in one year

Atlanta went from last to playoffs in 1 year

What is the key ? The right head coach, and the right QB..NOT ONE OF THOSE TEAMS STUCK WITH THE QB FROM THE YEAR BEFORE...

[sinskin]

Originally Posted by shally

money..Snyder will open a vault

as big a stage as there is.. win in DC and you have supreme court justices and senators fawning over you

essentially unlimited budget by the owner

LOW expectations to start. people realize it will take time

the greatest fan base anywhere


it wont take 5 years for the right man.. without even changing GM's, the Saints went from 3-13 to the playoffs in ONE off season.. that was essentially on the basis of the Head Coach and a new starting QB.. that 3-13 team had less talent than the Redskins of 2009

B'more went from last to playoffs in one year

Atlanta went from last to playoffs in 1 year

What is the key ? The right head coach, and the right QB..NOT ONE OF THOSE TEAMS STUCK WITH THE QB FROM THE YEAR BEFORE...

Yea but these teams don't play in the NFC East. Baltimore contends with Pitt. and Atlanta contends with NO ..... All three teams here virtually can beat anyone in the NFL any given Sunday! IMO its a different animal in the East. Gibbs said when he came back that first and foremost you need to win your division. Thats what you build your team for. This imo will take more then one year.

[shally]

Originally Posted by sinskin

Yea but these teams don't play in the NFC East. Baltimore contends with Pitt. and Atlanta contends with NO ..... All three teams here virtually can beat anyone in the NFL any given Sunday! IMO its a different animal in the East. Gibbs said when he came back that first and foremost you need to win your division. Thats what you build your team for. This imo will take more then one year.

the NFC East aint what it used to be..

Carolina took out Minny and Tampa has been good more than it has been bad over the past 2 decades..

i think if we take care of our own business, we will be okay.. we were 3-3 against the NFC east last year

[OCSKINSFAN]

Originally Posted by shally

money..Snyder will open a vault

as big a stage as there is.. win in DC and you have supreme court justices and senators fawning over you

essentially unlimited budget by the owner

LOW expectations to start. people realize it will take time

the greatest fan base anywhere


it wont take 5 years for the right man.. without even changing GM's, the Saints went from 3-13 to the playoffs in ONE off season.. that was essentially on the basis of the Head Coach and a new starting QB.. that 3-13 team had less talent than the Redskins of 2009

B'more went from last to playoffs in one year

Atlanta went from last to playoffs in 1 year

What is the key ? The right head coach, and the right QB..NOT ONE OF THOSE TEAMS STUCK WITH THE QB FROM THE YEAR BEFORE...

Makes sense as to coach and QB, but how are the Redskins going to get a QB like Brees (or be lucky enough to draft a rookie like Ryan)?

[shally]

Originally Posted by OCSKINSFAN

Makes sense as to coach and QB, but how are the Redskins going to get a QB like Brees (or be lucky enough to draft a rookie like Ryan)?

well, the presumption is that Shanahan = Payton as a head coach

and as far as Ryan, we will have a top 5 pick in the draft, let's hope that Shanahan and Allen are as good a team as we hope they are in finding the next Ryan.. they are going to be paid enough to do that kind of work..