2010 mock draft - Page 4

lorimike · #46 11-03-2009, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinsKY

Really? You lost me at Tebow.

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I think I am going to have to tweak that mock draft. I think the Skins will end up with the 1st overall. Judging by their schedule I am not sure there is another win for us on it. I go back and forth on Tebow. I think he has much better mobility than Campbell and he has a competitive spirit like I have never seen. But , I'm also not sold on any of these QB's in round 1. Getting the OT might be the way to go.

SkinsKY · #47 11-03-2009, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by lorimike

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I think I am going to have to tweak that mock draft. I think the Skins will end up with the 1st overall. Judging by their schedule I am not sure there is another win for us on it. I go back and forth on Tebow. I think he has much better mobility than Campbell and he has a competitive spirit like I have never seen. But , I'm also not sold on any of these QB's in round 1. Getting the OT might be the way to go.

Competitive spirit doesn't overcome a lack of ability to pass the ball at an NFL level. And if you think Tebow can make the runs you see in college, you're mistaken. He shouldn't even go in the first round, let alone as a QB.

lorimike · #48 11-03-2009, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinsKY

Competitive spirit doesn't overcome a lack of ability to pass the ball at an NFL level. And if you think Tebow can make the runs you see in college, you're mistaken. He shouldn't even go in the first round, let alone as a QB.

someone will take him in the first round

lorimike · #49 11-03-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SkinsKY

Competitive spirit doesn't overcome a lack of ability to pass the ball at an NFL level. And if you think Tebow can make the runs you see in college, you're mistaken. He shouldn't even go in the first round, let alone as a QB.

67 touchdowns to 11 interceptions not including this year. He completes nearly 66 percent of his passes. Exceptional mobility, good leadership. The bus stop is full of Ryan Leafs and Jeff Georges and Tim Couches- guys who could make all the throws and were the golden boys of the NFL scouts. But there is an intgangible that is the difference between a sucessfull NFL QB and one who flops.

akhhorus · #50 11-03-2009, 09:03 AM

The Jags are desperate enough to get fans that they'll almost certainly take him in the first. He's a 3rd round prospect at best, but GMs are generally idiots.

fent · #51 11-03-2009, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by lorimike

67 touchdowns to 11 interceptions not including this year. He completes nearly 66 percent of his passes. Exceptional mobility, good leadership. The bus stop is full of Ryan Leafs and Jeff Georges and Tim Couches- guys who could make all the throws and were the golden boys of the NFL scouts. But there is an intgangible that is the difference between a sucessfull NFL QB and one who flops.

Ty Detmer and Ken Dorsey are on line 1 for you...

Tebow can't play under center, has an awful release, relies on bowling people over (which he can't do in the NFL with the ease he does at Florida), and I'd be surprised to see him run a 4.8 40...he screams "move me to TE." any team that drafts him in the first - redskins included - should see their GM and front office staff fired as soon as the card is delivered to Goodell.

lorimike · #52 11-03-2009, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by fent

Ty Detmer and Ken Dorsey are on line 1 for you...

Tebow can't play under center, has an awful release, relies on bowling people over (which he can't do in the NFL with the ease he does at Florida), and I'd be surprised to see him run a 4.8 40...he screams "move me to TE." any team that drafts him in the first - redskins included - should see their GM and front office staff fired as soon as the card is delivered to Goodell.

I am not saying you are wrong but neither Detmer or Dorsey were 6-3 240 lbs.

fent · #53 11-03-2009, 10:00 AM

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I am not saying you are wrong but neither Detmer or Dorsey were 6-3 240 lbs.

at one point not too long ago, i was close to those measurements, and lord knows i never had a chance to be an NFL qb. the guy just screams "i'm a stud college player that won't do squat in the NFL." i mean, can you imagine the unmitigated disaster we would have if we threw a QB with major mechanical flaws behind the line we look to have next September?

lorimike · #54 11-03-2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by fent

at one point not too long ago, i was close to those measurements, and lord knows i never had a chance to be an NFL qb. the guy just screams "i'm a stud college player that won't do squat in the NFL." i mean, can you imagine the unmitigated disaster we would have if we threw a QB with major mechanical flaws behind the line we look to have next September?

Missing on a QB in the first round sets a team back 6-8 years. It takes 3-4 years to find out if the QB you selected can play, and another 3 to 4 years to find out if the next QB can play. Between Shuler, Ramsey, and now Campbell over a decade has passed and we still have not found a QB. None of us knows if Tebow can play. All these QB's that might bo in the first round are question marks. As a team we are really screwed with No QB and no left or right tackle.

joethefan · #55 11-03-2009, 03:17 PM

It seems like you want this guy or are you saying that we are just that dumb..although I understand the notion of drafting a qb in the first....I wouldn't go with tebow....

jaggedice · #56 11-03-2009, 03:58 PM

why not go OT with first pick and if Tebow is there in the 2nd take him? We obviously wouldn't start him day one. Give him a package of 10 plays per game to get acclimated. I'm a florida alum and have watched every play of his career. Although his mechanics are awful (and if our future coaches can't change that then what are they doing coaching in the NFL?), he plays at such a high level against NFL caliber players on every given Saturday. He simply wins games. Who are some of the young marquee defensive players in the NFL?

Patrick Willis
Jerod Mayo
AJ hawk
Landry
Lawrence Timmons
Justin Harrell

These are the same guys Tebow goes up against EVERY week in the SEC and continues to score TD's. he's worth a flier in the 2nd on just his leadership alone, something this team hasn't had in a LONG time out of any of its players.

BurgundyNGold · #57 11-03-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jaggedice

why not go OT with first pick and if Tebow is there in the 2nd take him? We obviously wouldn't start him day one. Give him a package of 10 plays per game to get acclimated. I'm a florida alum and have watched every play of his career. Although his mechanics are awful (and if our future coaches can't change that then what are they doing coaching in the NFL?), he plays at such a high level against NFL caliber players on every given Saturday. He simply wins games. Who are some of the young marquee defensive players in the NFL?

Patrick Willis
Jerod Mayo
AJ hawk
Landry
Lawrence Timmons
Justin Harrell

These are the same guys Tebow goes up against EVERY week in the SEC and continues to score TD's. he's worth a flier in the 2nd on just his leadership alone, something this team hasn't had in a LONG time out of any of its players.

The SEC is not the NFL. Tebow is not the kind of QB that succeed at the next level.

And Landry isn't even one of the marquee players on his own team.

akhhorus · #58 11-03-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jaggedice

why not go OT with first pick and if Tebow is there in the 2nd take him? We obviously wouldn't start him day one. Give him a package of 10 plays per game to get acclimated. I'm a florida alum and have watched every play of his career. Although his mechanics are awful (and if our future coaches can't change that then what are they doing coaching in the NFL?), he plays at such a high level against NFL caliber players on every given Saturday. He simply wins games. Who are some of the young marquee defensive players in the NFL?

Patrick Willis
Jerod Mayo
AJ hawk
Landry
Lawrence Timmons
Justin Harrell

These are the same guys Tebow goes up against EVERY week in the SEC and continues to score TD's. he's worth a flier in the 2nd on just his leadership alone, something this team hasn't had in a LONG time out of any of its players.

Hawk and Timmons didn't play in the SEC. And I wouldn't call Hawk, Landry or Harrell marquee defensive players at all.

Taylor21TheUndertaker · #59 11-03-2009, 10:39 PM

I can see it now, one high priced olineman and drafting tebow are the only changes.

Moe · #60 11-04-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by lorimike

67 touchdowns to 11 interceptions not including this year. He completes nearly 66 percent of his passes. Exceptional mobility, good leadership. The bus stop is full of Ryan Leafs and Jeff Georges and Tim Couches- guys who could make all the throws and were the golden boys of the NFL scouts. But there is an intgangible that is the difference between a sucessfull NFL QB and one who flops.

The guy is a great college QB but he's also surrounded by some really good talent that helps him tremendously. The delta between the surrounding talent he has in college versus what he'll have in the NFL will be dramatically reduced and that is where his lack of fundamental QB skills will limit him, if not prevent him altogether, from being effective in any long term projection. The advent of the Wildcat couldn't have happened at a better time for him as that's likely his most effective role, but teams that don't have productive passing attacks are severely handicapped and he doesn't impact that area enough to justify such a high pick for this team.