I'm Curious: Why Am I Constantly Seeing Folks Say "Trade Orakpo"

[Red Bear]

Originally Posted by hail2skins

Yes, but this is the QB position. A little different don't you think?

true. and im pretty convinced the colts will take luck myself. but like with bush, this is an awful early report is all im trying to say...

[Canuck]

The only way I would consider trading Orakpo is if we got very good value in the return from the trade. I'm thinking franchise QB, WR or LT here.

That being said, I would hang on to him for the last two years of his rookie deal. I believe his best 2-3 years as a pro will be over the next couple of seasons, as he makes the push for his second contract. During that time we can build up the depth in our front seven to the point where we have a replacement ready and able to slide in and take over (we don't have that now).

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by hail2skins

I don't think Kerrigan saw more double teams than Orakpo. I do agree with you that Kerrigan seems to be ahead in developing. I remember Hasslet mentioning how he felt Kerrigan was ahead of Rakpo.

I'd love to see some metrics on double teams faced and flags drawn.

Originally Posted by hail2skins

As for whining to get a flag, receivers do it all the time and sometime the flag gets thrown. I've seen Orakpo get decimated at the line by an offensive linemen and it went uncalled. Imagine yourself in that position and you're fighting your @ass off to get the QB and you get held which is obvious to everyone but you don't see that flag thrown. Don't even try to tell me you wouldn't do the same thing.

There's a way to do it right and there's the Bruce "I'm been complaining publicly for a decade about being held that OTs literally have to stab me now to get flagged" Smith method of it. Orakpo shouldn't be demonstrative on the field like he can be. All that will get you is a blind eye on borderline calls. And no matter if he gets the calls or not, the way to deal with that is to do what great rushers do and learn the swat move with your hands. Watch DeMarcus Ware, Woodley, Harrison, Suggs, Allen, Hali, Kerrigan, Elvis, Von Miller etc etc etc: they all know this basic pass rush skill. Orakpo still doesn't and its his 3rd season in the NFL.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by CNYSkinFan

It's really pretty simple, Orakpo is one of the only real pieces with trade value on our team. Also I think many of us believe having two elephant lbers in the 3-4 does not work. Unless your rushing both each time either Kerrigan or orakpo are going to be a liability in coverage. Pairing kerrigan with a traditional cover lber.

We don't have alot of young pieces to trade and when looking to trade up you are looking for young pieces or draft picks to trade. I want to trade up to get RGIII or Luck, and we dont have enough picks, Orakpo may be the only piece that allows us to do that.

agree with you 100% cnyskinfan,we must get either luck or rg3 in this draft,for the rebuilding process to begin, in every draft there are good players,but seldom a draft with 2 quartebacks as talented as these 2 seem to be, i know if is such a big word but what(if) we drafted one of the 2 and they "were who we thought they were" who would remember who urakpo is.
i know many will remember health schuler, but its time we take a chance.

[warpaint]

Originally Posted by hail2skins

and maybe you guys will just forget about Luck

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/sto...ck-sources-say

almost 4 months to the draft ,strange things can happen in that time,maybe at the combine rg3 may turn out to be the real superman, i know if i was the owner of the colts why would you not say that luck was the man.

[bigmike7914]

Originally Posted by hail2skins

He might not get the sacks but he does get holding penalties called against offenses. It should be more calls too. I'll take a 10 yard holding penalty, it's almost equivalent to a sack just without the down being counted.

Exactly the guy is just pure explosive he gets held the most of anybody that I have seen and most of the time they(refs) dont even call it, it's just ridiculous to even think about trading the guy, and who do we get for him?, because picks won't suffice we need a player that can make an impact and make an impact immediately if we give up Orakpo, use common sense and stop the knee jerk reaction.

[shally]

Had surgery today..

Not tradable now, anyway..4-6 month recovery

[Nomad]

orakpo is very good.
he is not elite.
but the sum is greater than parts with 3-4 olbs, thus his value greatly increased.
how much of kerrigans success it teams also planning rak and vice versa?
rak is better hand dirt 4-3 de.
but he is still solid player.
no way you trade him.
whether you resign him--especially if other teams offer obscene deals drive up price--is a more interesting and speculative question.
in general, kerrigan is smarter and quicker learner and larger repertoire moves than rak. But rak hands down greater talent, pure strength speed. even though somewhat easier than ker because predictable due to limited moves. but if you trade rak and no one opp. ker, huge drop off in his production.

[Moe]

Originally Posted by Emmanouel8

This is the way to build a winner.

Your first general policy has to be not to trade a known commodity for an unknown, for a. fair market price, not worth it.

Spot on. Trading Rak without something resembling a reasonable replacement at this point would be foolish. Comparisons to Pitt are off base, the Skins don't (yet) have the framework/pipeline to shuttle players like they can. Fans bemoan a lack of depth annually and yet want to make a move like this and take away from the overall D in both starting production (however limited) and overall depth. Let him play it out and take it from there.

Does anyone recall how bad our pass rush was before Orakpo? You can upgrade there but you upgrade a lot of other positions as well that are being manned by players far less than Orakpo.

Yep, you have to be able to get QB pressure or this team's already shaky secondary looks that much worse.

As far as Kerrigan I don't know why argument becomes a comparison betweem the two. I think Kerrigan is legit and that's all that needs to be said. Id rather keep both and see if I can grab a legit NT and put a healthy Jenkins on the field with them.

Exactly.

As for Orakpo as a player overall, I think he's a B talent. He's a stereotypical tweener but he has enough talent to not be a player without a position. I think those who think he'd succeed as a 4-3 DE are crazy, he's too small and not fast enough for his size to be an every down DE. As a 3-4 OLB he has enough speed and strength to be a decent pass rusher (he gets more pressure than the stats reveal) and he's improved in space. That being said he does need to become more dynamic as a pass rusher and keep getting quicker in his space reads. He's gotten better in these areas but not as fast as many would like him to. We saw the coaches flipping him and Kerrigan late in the year and that ability could be a great weapon for the D. If they can improve coverage and bump the d-line production then the D can be quite good.

According to this link, Orakpo is the 7th best rusher in the league using sacks + 0.75 (hits + hurries)/number of snaps rushing the passer * 100, with Kerrigan being 18th.
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...-story-so-far/

[Axegrinder]

I have no problem with Orakpo. Maybe...just maybe... if we had a lead once in a while his stats would go up.