DFA: Post combine Mock

[firehawk157]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

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Its moving day for the draft...


The rest of the skins' picks:
3rd: Kendall Wright WR Baylor. A horrible combine is dropping him like a stone. RG3 talks Shanny into taking him here so he has a target he can trust.
4th: Nick Jean-Baptiste NT Baylor. Baylor is the new Nebraska.
4th(from Oakland): Senio Kelemete OT Washington. A project, but has the tools. Footwork might be key for him.
5th: Asa Jackson CB Cal-Poly. Small, but good quickness/speed. Maybe a NB at best.
6th(from Minny): Chris Owusu WR Stanford. A burner who should have produced better.
7th: Joe Halahuni FB Oregon State. More an Hback, think of him as a cheap Cooley replacement if they commit to Davis.

I buy it but Fred Davis instead of Hankerson. I think Davis is more highly regarded at this point and worth more. Proven, young, athletic. Hankerson isn't worth much, one good game and a season ending injury.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by shally

just like Ponder and Locker last year, teams will take Tannehill in the top 15.. lets just hope we are NOT that team

First round, maybe.

Originally Posted by shally

i can see the Giants taking Fleener at the very end of round 1 because of their needs, but if they dont, he will fall a lot unless he shows far better speed

Id buy them taking Orsen Charles first.

Originally Posted by firehawk157

I buy it but Fred Davis instead of Hankerson. I think Davis is more highly regarded at this point and worth more. Proven, young, athletic. Hankerson isn't worth much, one good game and a season ending injury.

The skins would have to take back another big contract to make it work for the rams, but thats perfectly plausible. How about Davis+Brown+#6+2 2nds for #2+Smith+Jason Brown. Smith and Brown might suck, but they can be cut for little/no cap penalty and you can never have enough Olinemen.

[firehawk157]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

The skins would have to take back another big contract to make it work for the rams, but thats perfectly plausible. How about Davis+Brown+#6+2 2nds for #2+Smith+Jason Brown. Smith and Brown might suck, but they can be cut for little/no cap penalty and you can never have enough Olinemen.

Yeah, I could see Jason Brown playing for a roster spot and maybe the answer for Jason Smith is to have him compete at guard. He has the body (6'5", 305) and strength (33 reps on the bench) to play on the interior and plays faster straight ahead than any of our other guards (1.75 10 yard split). Putting him at guard would also negate his problems pass blocking in space to a great degree. You also create a legit competition throughout the interior of the OL with 5 guys competing for 3 starting spots (Lichtensteiger, Monty, Brown can play center; Lichtensteiger, Chester and Smith can play guard) and you add to a great degree to depth.

[shally]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

First round, maybe.



Id buy them taking Orsen Charles first.



The skins would have to take back another big contract to make it work for the rams, but thats perfectly plausible. How about Davis+Brown+#6+2 2nds for #2+Smith+Jason Brown. Smith and Brown might suck, but they can be cut for little/no cap penalty and you can never have enough Olinemen.

between Boss and Pasco and most of the tight ends they have taken over the past 4 or 5 years, i think Fleener looks like the more logical pick-- slightly slower, but softer hands, and less polished as a blocker

....and i think it is HIGHLY unlikely that any players change teams as a result of a trade up to get RGIII.. it just complicates things massively and leaves loose ends that trading draft picks doesnt

[firehawk157]

Originally Posted by shally

....and i think it is HIGHLY unlikely that any players change teams as a result of a trade up to get RGIII.. it just complicates things massively and leaves loose ends that trading draft picks doesnt

I think it's more likely that the Rams dump a player on us for salary cap reasons but I can also see Shanahan trading away Davis.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by firehawk157

I think it's more likely that the Rams dump a player on us for salary cap reasons but I can also see Shanahan trading away Davis.

What firehawk said. The Rams could use cap relief and the skins could use a contract to pad the cap figures with 45+ million in room.

[shally]

Originally Posted by firehawk157

I think it's more likely that the Rams dump a player on us for salary cap reasons but I can also see Shanahan trading away Davis.

i think Davis is a Redskin next year..if we were going to dump him (the way we will dump Landry) we would not have used the franchise tag on him.. he has too much talent and is an improving player.. still, he is on a very short leash.. i think next season he either gets signed to a longer deal, if he matures and gets serious about his career, or next year he gets dumped after the season if he doesnt progress as a player

he wont be traded..

as to the Rams dumping players, new regimes always purge players from the prior regime because it is not an embarassment-- or at least as big an embarassment to to do.. Jason Smith is a prime example.. he was the seocnd overall pick in the draft and should be a player like Jake Long.. instead he is a possible cap casualty.. and he is one guy i could see getting traded because you could always move him inside to see if he can make the transition (like Leonard Davis or Gallery did)..but because he was drafted before the revised rookie scale, he might be a problem to trade under his current contract

[HanburgerBum]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

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Its moving day for the draft...


The rest of the skins' picks:
3rd: Kendall Wright WR Baylor. A horrible combine is dropping him like a stone. RG3 talks Shanny into taking him here so he has a target he can trust.
4th: Nick Jean-Baptiste NT Baylor. Baylor is the new Nebraska.
4th(from Oakland): Senio Kelemete OT Washington. A project, but has the tools. Footwork might be key for him.
5th: Asa Jackson CB Cal-Poly. Small, but good quickness/speed. Maybe a NB at best.
6th(from Minny): Chris Owusu WR Stanford. A burner who should have produced better.
7th: Joe Halahuni FB Oregon State. More an Hback, think of him as a cheap Cooley replacement if they commit to Davis.

Don't get me wrong, I hope your projected trade for RG comes true. But, it is just really, really hard for me to visualize getting RG without having to include the 2013 1st rounder.

From where I am sitting, I see at least Miami and Seattle being willing to part with both the 2012 and 2013 1st rounders for RG. Cleveland can do even more by including its 2nd 1st rounder this year. I understand salary cap may be a motivation for the Rams to trade with Wash, but salary cap can go only go so far.

If Shanahan/Allen can pull off the trade you set out, I would give both of them an extension immediately.

[HanburgerBum]

Originally Posted by skinsfan36

i really want the skins to trade up for rg3 but i dont want to include hankerson(what other player will respond to me on twitter lol j/k). i think he has alot of potential and should be kept here.
tannenhill wont fall out of the first unless he tanks his pro day or cant get healthy before the draft. just too many teams need qbs.
wright is falling but the third round. well ill say this i didnt expect us to land hankerson in the third last year.

You would nix the deal if Hankerson were included? Please tell me you are joking! I would throw in three more Hankersons to complete the trade for RG, if need be.

[shally]

Originally Posted by HanburgerBum

You would nix the deal if Hankerson were included? Please tell me you are joking! I would throw in three more Hankersons to complete the trade for RG, if need be.

nothing he showed last year would stir up that kind of interest from another team.. there are many players in this years draft who have equal potential without a medical red flag from a hip injury

[HanburgerBum]

Originally Posted by shally

nothing he showed last year would stir up that kind of interest from another team.. there are many players in this years draft who have equal potential without a medical red flag from a hip injury

Totally agree. As I see it, Hankerson would be nothing more than a "throw in" in any trade for RG.

It is still not clear to me whether skinsfan36 is serious or just being sarcastic when he seemed to suggest that including Hankerson would be a deal-breaker.

[firehawk157]

Originally Posted by shally

i think Davis is a Redskin next year..if we were going to dump him (the way we will dump Landry) we would not have used the franchise tag on him.. he has too much talent and is an improving player.. still, he is on a very short leash.. i think next season he either gets signed to a longer deal, if he matures and gets serious about his career, or next year he gets dumped after the season if he doesnt progress as a player

he wont be traded..

as to the Rams dumping players, new regimes always purge players from the prior regime because it is not an embarassment-- or at least as big an embarassment to to do.. Jason Smith is a prime example.. he was the seocnd overall pick in the draft and should be a player like Jake Long.. instead he is a possible cap casualty.. and he is one guy i could see getting traded because you could always move him inside to see if he can make the transition (like Leonard Davis or Gallery did)..but because he was drafted before the revised rookie scale, he might be a problem to trade under his current contract

If the Rams said, "okay, we won't require #38 but Davis and the two first rounders," we'd do it. Davis, IMO, is worth a first rounder on talent but there are serious questions as to his future. Trading him and keeping other picks makes a great deal of sense. I'm not saying Davis is the same type of trade as Jammal Brown and the two Jasons (that's more of a change of scenery type of trade), he actually adds value to the trade.