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JoeJacksonTaylor28 · #46 03-23-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by akhhorus

Then challenge it. But realize that if the arbitrator rules that the skins did circumvent the cap(but the punishment wasn't allowed), the "win" could be worse then just taking the cap reductions

How could they possibly circumvent a non-existing cap?

DaveKShape · #47 03-23-2012, 03:00 PM

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How could they possibly circumvent a non-existing cap?

akhhorus · #48 03-23-2012, 03:06 PM

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How could they possibly circumvent a non-existing cap?

Because they're accused of circumventing the cap in 2011/12 by moving money from 2011/2 to 2010 illegally.

Emmanouel8 · #49 03-23-2012, 03:26 PM

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Because they're accused of circumventing the cap in 2011/12 by moving money from 2011/2 to 2010 illegally.

Legally. The league said the redskins did nothing wrong, they said the cap modification was a result of a 'competitive advantage,' which is hog wash. Tampa had more cap space than we did because they "circumvented" the floor. There was no vote, no documentation, and no equity in the cap restructuring based on their reasoning, so it is a complete sham.

akhhorus · #50 03-23-2012, 03:29 PM

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Legally. The league said the redskins did nothing wrong, they said the cap modification was a result of a 'competitive advantage,' which is hog wash. Tampa had more cap space than we did because they "circumvented" the floor. There was no vote, no documentation, and no equity in the cap restructuring based on their reasoning, so it is a complete sham.

No, they said moving the money around in a way to avoid ever being charged against the cap for it was a competitive disadvantage. If the skins had just converted that 36 million into bonus money for 2010, it would have added a total of 6ish million yearly against the cap for the life of the contracts and it would have been totally legal. In retrospect, what should the skins have done?

Emmanouel8 · #51 03-23-2012, 03:52 PM

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No, they said moving the money around in a way to avoid ever being charged against the cap for it was a competitive disadvantage.

Fine, but it was legal and the judgement is the interpretation of a committee.

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If the skins had just converted that 36 million into bonus money for 2010, it would have added a total of 6ish million yearly against the cap for the life of the contracts and it would have been totally legal. In retrospect, what should the skins have done?

Yes that is an alternative, but is useless at this point. Seriously, I wouldn't do a thing differently, without knowing all of the dynamics behind the scenes. We exploited the uncapped year.

We can agree to disagree on this.

Keino · #52 03-23-2012, 04:17 PM

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I wouldn't get my hopes up about the arbitrator.

On what legal basis would an Arbitrator consider more than the 4 corners of the governing document (CBA) of the league? Businesses are allowed to rely upon the written rules of their industry, especially when they have been collectively bargained for with labor.

jaylen · #53 03-23-2012, 06:10 PM

Man I can't beliee we're gonna probably end up with Jamal brown again at RT.

shally · #54 03-23-2012, 06:19 PM

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Man I can't beliee we're gonna probably end up with Jamal brown again at RT.

if he is truly HEALTHY, he is an excellent 1 year stop gap while Willie Smith learns the pro game.. and we could use the 3rd or one of the 4th round picks for another OL player.. that is the issue, and Shanahan has put it squarely on Brown, he has to be healthy

Gravy · #55 03-23-2012, 07:18 PM

Well I'm bored...first couple of hours we got Pierre G and Josh M...in the following days we added Ced Grif and Brandon M...resigned Adam C, Kory L, and Rex (joy!). And now we are just silent...nothing going! I am assuming its because of the whole cap crap. And we still have a over month before the draft.

colkurtz · #56 03-23-2012, 07:44 PM

The whole Cap restriction issue just shows the depth of dislike or even hate that almost all the NFL owners have for Snyder. If this team ever wins a SB it will be in spite of Snyder. Being a PR agent for Snyder must be a nightmare.

I think the team is being cautious in FA due to the money cap. Even with RGIII we still have many slots to fill, with limited money and limited draft picks. The good news is the previous off-season the team did well in the draft and in FA. We need that to happen again this season.

Chief Redskin · #57 03-23-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by akhhorus

Then challenge it. But realize that if the arbitrator rules that the skins did circumvent the cap(but the punishment wasn't allowed), the "win" could be worse then just taking the cap reductions

You may be right. However, there is a saying that you don't bite the hand that feeds you. The Cowboys and Redskins are the two most valuable franchises in the NFL. Moreover, Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder have done more to increase the revenue generated for the NFL than any other owners in the NFL in recent history. This is a fact that should not be ignored. I believe Snyder and Jones will try to resolve the dispute peacefully without causing damage to the structure of the NFL. However, they may be motivated to take assertive action if the other owners do not make concessions regarding this unjust punishment. The NFL and its owners should have treated Snyder and Jones with more respect.

cal_junior · #58 03-23-2012, 08:28 PM

Can one of the mods start a thread about the Skins/Boys cap penalty? Maybe something like this:

http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/...ad.php?t=54038

skinsfan36 · #59 03-23-2012, 10:24 PM

If we really are planning to no sign any free agent guards,rt,cb,fs then I hoPe shanny is planning to gather more picks in round 3 thru 5. It wouldn't be a bad idea to offer atogwe a cheap deal to return imo either because where can we get a free safety? The draft is pretty weak at safety especially free safety

akhhorus · #60 03-24-2012, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Keino

On what legal basis would an Arbitrator consider more than the 4 corners of the governing document (CBA) of the league? Businesses are allowed to rely upon the written rules of their industry, especially when they have been collectively bargained for with labor.

The league will say that the union and them agreed to change the CBA(which they did without announcing it) to punish teams that did that.

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You may be right. However, there is a saying that you don't bite the hand that feeds you. The Cowboys and Redskins are the two most valuable franchises in the NFL. Moreover, Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder have done more to increase the revenue generated for the NFL than any other owners in the NFL in recent history. This is a fact that should not be ignored. I believe Snyder and Jones will try to resolve the dispute peacefully without causing damage to the structure of the NFL. However, they may be motivated to take assertive action if the other owners do not make concessions regarding this unjust punishment. The NFL and its owners should have treated Snyder and Jones with more respect.

I'd like to see some figures about that. Snyder/Jones might have the most valuable franchises in the NFL(maybe), but in terms of revenue generated I'd bet that they're not even top ten(Dallas maybe with their new stadium). Nothing compares to TV ratings though.