2012 Presidential race

[CNYSkinFan]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

Okay then its liars, cheat and busybodies.

lol ok there ya go

[justinskins]

Originally Posted by CNYSkinFan

Ok let me step in here. While I get all the clamor and outrage on politicas on state and national levels, village and local town boards are still pretty honorable. Many times on school boards for interest they arent even paid, or paid so little it does not pay gas to attend meetings.

There is honor in service and elected office is service. If we could take the money out of politics I think that honor could return.

Let's be honest: plenty of the people involved in politics are in pursuit of one thing above all else, and that is power. Power along with all its perquisites. They wrap themselves up in the language of service, but we know what they really want.

As for local politics: Sometimes it is honorable. I suppose there are honest dog-catchers in small New England villages. Often, local government is even more corrupt and interest-bound than Washington. Local politicians also run campaigns and it's very easy for prominent businesses to get whatever they want out of cities and towns.

[RedskinsDave]

Doesn't look like the attack on Romney's Bain record is going very well among even his own people.

Bill Clinton, in an appearance on CNN last night, said that Mitt Romney has a “sterling business career” and that the campaign shouldn’t be about what kind of work Romney did.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...tml?tid=pm_pop

Good thing for Obama, he has the strong economy and jobs reports to......oops, yeah, he's got nothing to run on.

[cal_junior]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

Good thing for Obama, he has the strong economy and jobs reports to......oops, yeah, he's got nothing to run on.

And he might have been in trouble if the GOP had been able to field a decent candidate.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

Doesn't look like the attack on Romney's Bain record is going very well among even his own people.

Good thing for Obama, he has the strong economy and jobs reports to......oops, yeah, he's got nothing to run on.

Originally Posted by cal_junior

And he might have been in trouble if the GOP had been able to field a decent candidate.

I really don't understand why Romney, who has enough Wall Street Cred to do this with Obama passing Dodd-Frank, won't move to the left of Obama on the big banks. He'd cream Obama if he starts campaigning on a "break up the big banks" economic plan right now(especially with more and more of the right agreeing with that idea every day).

[RedskinsDave]

Originally Posted by cal_junior

And he might have been in trouble if the GOP had been able to field a decent candidate.

Yeah a guy with actual experience. What were they thinking?

[cal_junior]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

Yeah a guy with actual experience. What were they thinking?

This must be your first presidential election. Experience doesn't = being a good candidate in this country.

[CNYSkinFan]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

Yeah a guy with actual experience. What were they thinking?

its easy to rack up experience when you are on the both side of every issue. He has alot more in common with Kerry in 2004 then the GOP would like to admit

[shally]

Originally Posted by CNYSkinFan

its easy to rack up experience when you are on the both side of every issue. He has alot more in common with Kerry in 2004 then the GOP would like to admit

this election will have little, or nothing to do with Romney.. he has already passed the threshhold for being considered presidential material by all accounts.

this will, and should be, a election about Obama's record, and his vision for the next 4 years.. the rest is just garbage and distractions

it's the economy, as Clinton famously spoke. it was true then.. it was true last election (people were fed up with Bush and his "vision") and it will likely be true this election

the fact that a sitting President is hovering around 50 % in terms of his
overall approval and chances of re-election are all about how people likely perceive his overall performance.. time is short for him to make a credible case for his re election and a few more months of today's economic news runs him the risk of entering Carter or Bush 1 territory

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by shally

this election will have little, or nothing to do with Romney.. he has already passed the threshhold for being considered presidential material by all accounts.

That won't be decided until the debates imo. Outspending 5 cartoon characters doesn't make one pass that threshold lol. Romney needs to switch back to the less aggressive debater he was prior to the SC primary also. The aggressive, accusing Romney after then is playing into Obama's trap.

[RedskinsDave]

Originally Posted by cal_junior

This must be your first presidential election. Experience doesn't = being a good candidate in this country.

Apparently having none is even worse. See: Obama, Barrack Hussein.

[justinskins]

Originally Posted by shally

the fact that a sitting President is hovering around 50 % in terms of his
overall approval and chances of re-election are all about how people likely perceive his overall performance.. time is short for him to make a credible case for his re election and a few more months of today's economic news runs him the risk of entering Carter or Bush 1 territory

I think this is right. If May turns out to be more than a blip, it's big trouble for Obama.

[RedskinsDave]

Originally Posted by CNYSkinFan

its easy to rack up experience when you are on the both side of every issue. He has alot more in common with Kerry in 2004 then the GOP would like to admit

Kerry was a successful governor of a state where the opposing party rules the state house? I missed that about him.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

Apparently having none is even worse. See: Obama, Barrack Hussein.

Just speaking to the experience argument: there's a fair case to be made over Obama's failures as president, but Bush is probably the worst president of the modern era(maybe bottom 5 all time), so experience matters and doesn't matter lol. I can literally find examples of both being successful and not successful all day.

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

Kerry was a successful governor of a state where the opposing party rules the state house? I missed that about him.

I wouldn't say Romney was a success as governor. He left office with a 34% approval rating and didn't even try to run for re-election. He got some interesting hybrid laws passed because he had to deal with the opposing party running the state house, but he clearly cheesed off a lot of his state in doing so(mostly because he raised taxes a lot).

[shally]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

That won't be decided until the debates imo. Outspending 5 cartoon characters doesn't make one pass that threshold lol. Romney needs to switch back to the less aggressive debater he was prior to the SC primary also. The aggressive, accusing Romney after then is playing into Obama's trap.

technically, you are probably correct.. but from his ability to handle his party's debates thus far, it is highly unlikely he will make a huge gaffe during the upcoming debates.. more likely, he will come off as smooth, somewhat aloof and not particularly warm and friendly, articulate, but not folksy.. in short, he is going to look a lot like Obama.. he will pass the "Presidential threshhold" easily-- just as Obama did against McCain in the last elections first debate

if that happens, as i think it undoubtedly will, this election will be a plebiscite over Obama's economic policies-- as it probably should be. there will, of course, be sideshows and irrelevant issues that pop up and there is always the possibility that world events can drive the election.. but in the end, i think it will all come down to the economy and people's perception that another 4 years of Obama will lead the nation in a positive economic direction

on one hand, you cannot beat "something" with "nothing" and Romney will have to make people feel secure that he has a firm grasp on what to do about things in the economic arena. on the other, i think if Obama tries to deflect his economic record by trying to make this about the "war on Women" or Tea Party bogeymen, he is going to go down hard.

this country gave FDR more time because even in the face of economic misery he had a coherent calm plan for leading.. he also had WW2 that rallied the country. but the overall point is that people will stay the course even in the face of adversity, if there is a credible case being made that there is actually a "course"... that is what Obama must do if we continue to stagnate over the next couple of months