Wizards: 2012 NBA Draft Lottery/NBA Draft

[wide_awake]

Originally Posted by cal_junior

I could not disagree more. So far with D-Wade they've reached the Finals three times, won one world title and are three games away from a second.

You're using 2006 to pump up your stats to make your point. That was SIX years ago. Wade was 24 years old, in his prime, and playing on a completely different team.

So far the Heat have made two consecutive finals with Wade, Bosh and LeBron and that is pretty spectacular. I don't know if it's wise to ship him out but it sure as hell isn't the easy decision you make it out to be. You keep ignoring his age, injury history, and style of play.

From ESPN: “I’m not that athletic as I was in 2006. But I still have something in me. I still have some left in me. I wish it was possible to stay at that same athleticism as I was at 24, but that’s not possible." -Wade


Over the last ten years, I can't think of a player who played with more reckless abandon than Wade, and he is 30 years old. In NBA years that's getting close to the end and right now, you could get a lot for him.

[cal_junior]

Originally Posted by wide_awake

You're using 2006 to pump up your stats to make your point. That was SIX years ago. Wade was 24 years old, in his prime, and playing on a completely different team.

So far the Heat have made two consecutive finals with Wade, Bosh and LeBron and that is pretty spectacular. I don't know if it's wise to ship him out but it sure as hell isn't the easy decision you make it out to be. You keep ignoring his age, injury history, and style of play.

From ESPN: “I’m not that athletic as I was in 2006. But I still have something in me. I still have some left in me. I wish it was possible to stay at that same athleticism as I was at 24, but that’s not possible." -Wade


Over the last ten years, I can't think of a player who played with more reckless abandon than Wade, and he is 30 years old. In NBA years that's getting close to the end and right now, you could get a lot for him.

I'm not using any stats. The Heat have made the Finals three times with Wade, including each of the last two. If they can win three home games they'll be the current champs.

Trading him for Nene and the third pick would be moronic.

[wide_awake]

Originally Posted by cal_junior

I'm not using any stats. The Heat have made the Finals three times with Wade, including each of the last two. If they can win three home games they'll be the current champs.

Trading him for Nene and the third pick would be moronic.

We are talking about whether or not to break up this current team, and you're citing Wade's 2006 championship run to say he's been to "three finals."

That was a completely different team with different chemistry and a different coach. He was 24 then, and he is 30 now. You keep ignoring that and just stating how moronic it would be to trade him. All that says is that Wade was dominate when he was 24 year olds and he has the clutch gene, so what? We know he's clutch and he isn't as dominate now because he is older.

And for what it's worth I think they could fetch a lot more than high pick and an often-injured aging center.

[CNYSkinFan]

Originally Posted by wide_awake

We are talking about whether or not to break up this current team, and you're citing Wade's 2006 championship run to say he's been to "three finals."

That was a completely different team with different chemistry and a different coach. He was 24 then, and he is 30 now. You keep ignoring that and just stating how moronic it would be to trade him. All that says is that Wade was dominate when he was 24 year olds and he has the clutch gene, so what? We know he's clutch and he isn't as dominate now because he is older.

And for what it's worth I think they could fetch a lot more than high pick and an often-injured aging center.

I think the problem here is you are not understanding what Wade means to Miami as a franchise. this is not fantasy basketball, you cant make moves in a vacuum, trading of Wade would be a devastating move to the psyche of the team and the fan base.

I think part of the problem is the Wizards just have not had that type of player in awhile so you just don't understand. remember how hard it was to see Art Monk in a Jets uniform? Imagine that times like 10 for Wade and Miami.

there are players that are just untradeable from the teams they are associated with. Pierce in Boston, Kobe in LA, Wade in Miami, Duncan in SA, they just dont get traded for a first round pick and a soon to be washed up center

[wide_awake]

Originally Posted by CNYSkinFan

I think the problem here is you are not understanding what Wade means to Miami as a franchise. this is not fantasy basketball, you cant make moves in a vacuum, trading of Wade would be a devastating move to the psyche of the team and the fan base.

I think part of the problem is the Wizards just have not had that type of player in awhile so you just don't understand. remember how hard it was to see Art Monk in a Jets uniform? Imagine that times like 10 for Wade and Miami.

there are players that are just untradeable from the teams they are associated with. Pierce in Boston, Kobe in LA, Wade in Miami, Duncan in SA, they just dont get traded for a first round pick and a soon to be washed up center

I completely agree with you that his value to that city is something important to consider, and your point about all the other stars being an untouchable stable of that franchise is excellent. I think it's a little less devastating if you trade Wade because they have the current NBA MVP and another all-star to go with it. Also Wade's championship was 6 years ago and he's been injured a lot since. For all the other players I'd agree with you, given this situation I think it's a bit different.

Anyway I never got to see Art Monk in a Jets uni because all I've known is the Snyder years. But we all know winning cures that pain (i.e. Favre versus Rogers), so it comes down to Pat Riley doing what he thinks gives this team the best chance to win.

Lets assume they lose to OKC, because if they win this is a non-discussion..

If he trades Wade for a slew of high quality starters who can knock down the open shots LeBron gives them and they win a championship Riley looks like a shrewd genius.

If he doesn't trade Wade and they don't win next year he'll regret it.

[cal_junior]

Originally Posted by wide_awake

And for what it's worth I think they could fetch a lot more than high pick and an often-injured aging center.

Uh, yeah.

But that's the debate at hand. Should the Heat trade Wade for Nene and the third pick. I don't think it's even close.

[Sean T RIP]

the way he is playin tonite they should give him away

[cal_junior]

Originally Posted by Sean T RIP

the way he is playin tonite they should give him away

25, 7 and 7, along with 2 steals. You needed the triple double, I guess?

[Sean T RIP]

Originally Posted by cal_junior

25, 7 and 7, along with 2 steals. You needed the triple double, I guess?

guess you didn't see the 5 turnovers in7 the final quater or did you just read the stat sheet

[cal_junior]

Originally Posted by Sean T RIP

guess you didn't see the 5 turnovers in7 the final quater or did you just read the stat sheet

If 25/7/7 is a bad game for Wade, that's even more reason not to trade him for Nene and a pick.

[Sean T RIP]

Since the heat arent gonna loose it dosent matter

[Sean T RIP]

So the whiz trade Rashard Lewis for Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza ? Dunno how this makes the team any better

[cal_junior]

Originally Posted by Sean T RIP

So the whiz trade Rashard Lewis for Emeka Okafor and Trevor Ariza ? Dunno how this makes the team any better

The Wiz are instantly a better team with this trade - Lewis is terrible and this means they'll be getting rid of Blatche via Amnesty. My worry is their salary cap situation looks a little bleak for the next few years. They're going to be paying Okafor, Nene, Wall and Ariza a lot of money for the 13-14 season.

It also tells us the Wiz are taking Bradley Beal at No. 3, and I suppose one could debate whether that's a good thing or not.

[tarheel723]

Originally Posted by cal_junior

The Wiz are instantly a better team with this trade - Lewis is terrible and this means they'll be getting rid of Blatche via Amnesty. My worry is their salary cap situation looks a little bleak for the next few years. They're going to be paying Okafor, Nene, Wall and Ariza a lot of money for the 13-14 season.

It also tells us the Wiz are taking Bradley Beal at No. 3, and I suppose one could debate whether that's a good thing or not.

Well, first of all, except for the cap stuff, it's a good trade, and if they can start to win, that means more money from ticket sales, etc., which means that the cap will go up a little bit right, because don't bigger market teams have bigger caps?

But secondly, I think that the Hornets and Wizards (for the Wizards stake) should have agreed in principle on this trade, and waited until the night of the draft to make it official, so as to keep the smokescreen, because now, you're right, it makes it obvious that we're looking at drafting Beal, and that makes it all the more likely for teams that need/want a SG (i.e. Cleveland (Beal/Irving would be scary)) to trade up with Charllote for the #2 Overall Pick. But Charllote's gotta be loving this trade because that means they can ask for so much more from teams that want to trade up to 2 and get Beal. They'll be just like the Rams-- licking their chops.

Unless, of course Grunfeld does something totally unexpected and does something with Ariza and/or Okafur and gets a SF/PF in the draft, to fool EVERYBODY......... But quite frankly, knowing how Grunfeld is, I don't think he has the cleverness or the intelligence to do something such as that.

[cal_junior]

Originally Posted by tarheel723

and waited until the night of the draft to make it official, so as to keep the smokescreen, because now, you're right, it makes it obvious that we're looking at drafting Beal, and that makes it all the more likely for teams that need/want a SG (i.e. Cleveland (Beal/Irving would be scary)) to trade up with Charllote for the #2 Overall Pick.

This is an excellent point. I completely agree.