2012 Presidential race

[RedskinsDave]

Originally Posted by cal_junior

If you think he called your wife stupid you have the thinest skin in hR history.

You do a good job of dishing it out, but it's clear you certainly can't take it.

Update: Didn't read some of what what followed until I posted the above. But I think everyone would probably agree that if Dave - the forum moderator - can call me a "turd to the highest degree" I'm within my rights calling him out for being a baby.

It has been resolved. You are a turd. The end.

[RedskinsDave]

Originally Posted by swheeler

Regardless, your claim that liberals "will never understand" incentivizing hiring through tax credits is flat out wrong. And tax credits for businesses that hire in the U.S. has been an Obama talking point for as long as I can remember, so this isn't some election year pivot. I'll admit that I haven't followed every bill in Congress the way I used to since I moved out of DC, but are you really saying Republicans have a monopoly on an idea they're currently blocking? If so, they have a strange way of putting this policy in action.

Even if it were just election year pandering, I'll take the politicians who cynically do the right thing over the ones who cynically do the wrong thing every time. It shouldn't take imminent elections to incentivize equal rights and sane immigration policy, but if that's what it takes it's still better than not doing those things at all.

I probably would too but at this point it is too late. It really is. The level of pandering from the WH and Dems on the Hill right now is embarrassing. They had their time. Now they will have to run on what they didn't do and the reality of the current state of the economy.

[Keino]

I deleted the last two messages from Dave and Cal in lieu of closing the thread since the discussion has moved on. Feel free to take that line of discussion to PMs Gents.

[shally]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Much like talking to Wareagle about muslims and how his insane bigotry against them was basically fed by irrational paranoia and hatred, I have a feeling that Dave won't respond to your comments productively.

EDIT: I see that he didn't. Dave's just some small minded little bigot(much like WarEagle). I don't think its much more complicated then that. And I for one don't believe that he's seeing anything he's claiming to see(or he's twisting it around to suit his bigotry).

Nonsense.. I think he has a legitimate point of view. It isnt paranoia to think that there are groups of people in this country who would love to get the chance to do harm to as many as they could.. We have always been a nation that has been tolerant and because of rights of free association been vulnerable to this sort of thing.

edit: sorry for continuing the thread.. close or delete as you wish

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by shally

Nonsense.. I think he has a legitimate point of view. It isnt paranoia to think that there are groups of people in this country who would love to get the chance to do harm to as many as they could.. We have always been a nation that has been tolerant and because of rights of free association been vulnerable to this sort of thing.

edit: sorry for continuing the thread.. close or delete as you wish

There's a big difference between saying that there's "people" of a common ethic/racial/religious/nationality conspiring to do XYZ and saying that the entire group is under suspicion(or should be) with the implication that they're all radical, disloyal or secretly part of a group or conspiracy. One is paranoia, the other is a fair comment. Or in the less abstract: Al Queda is a terrorist group comprised of radical Wahhabist Sunni muslims---All sunni US muslims secretly or automatically support radical Wahhabist terrorism(they don't).

[akhhorus]

Link

Campaign adviser Gillespie says Romney ‘retired retroactively’ from Bain Capital

I wonder if Romney can retroactively hire better advisors.

[RedskinsDave]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...PpgW_blog.html

Hey, read this. Look at this. This contains facts. Facts suck.

[shally]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

There's a big difference between saying that there's "people" of a common ethic/racial/religious/nationality conspiring to do XYZ and saying that the entire group is under suspicion(or should be) with the implication that they're all radical, disloyal or secretly part of a group or conspiracy. One is paranoia, the other is a fair comment. Or in the less abstract: Al Queda is a terrorist group comprised of radical Wahhabist Sunni muslims---All sunni US muslims secretly or automatically support radical Wahhabist terrorism(they don't).

if allowed one last comment on the subject, respectfully, i dont think that is what Dave is saying at all...

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by shally

if allowed one last comment on the subject, respectfully, i dont think that is what Dave is saying at all...

Email sent for compliance's sake.

[RedskinsDave]

It's easier to call someone a racist, bigot or xenophobe than to listen to facts. It's right there in the liberal handbook. Luckily Keino and shally don't follow it.

[hail2skins]

You all need to keep this civil or it is going to be closed. Attack the opinion, not the person. I don't care if it is the political forum. Be civil.

[Death_Venom]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

Hey, read this. Look at this. This contains facts. Facts suck.

This whole Bain thing wreaks of desperation from the Obama Administration. Obama must be hovering his hand over the panic button.

[shally]

Originally Posted by Death_Venom

This whole Bain thing wreaks of desperation from the Obama Administration. Obama must be hovering his hand over the panic button.

the thing is the economy is drifting aimlessly.. you cant blame Bush for the problems 4 years later.. there are NO jobs for teens this summer.. minority employment stats are a disaster; there are no jobs out there for this year's college grads who are saddled with incredible debt from their loans

there are no "shovel ready" infrastructure jobs out there.. wishing the housing market back to life is just that, a wish

no modern sitting President has ever won re-election with un employment above 8 % and there is little likelihood that it will be below that level before election day

you simply cannot run on a platform of repeating the past 4 years.. so what do you do ? you trash Romney personally in whatever way you can.. you pick a fight with the GOP over the expiring Bush tax cuts and hope people focus on that, rather than our dismal economic stats, and you hope that the GOP decides to take on ridiculous social agenda issues rather than focusing on 4 years of crappy economic performance, and you make a central issue over the concept of actually needing a legitimate ID to be able to vote..

the sad reality is that is what the election is likely to be decided upon-- not substantive issues, but a series of sideshows..

[cal_junior]

Originally Posted by Death_Venom

This whole Bain thing wreaks of desperation from the Obama Administration. Obama must be hovering his hand over the panic button.

I don't think the Bain strategy is a very impressive one, but nothing in the polling I've seen leads me to believe there is need for desperation or panic. There have been good and bad moments for Obama during this campaign run, but I don't see why his staff would think he's in deep trouble with the EC.

[RedskinsDave]

The mere fact that the President's campaign is so focused on the Bain issue demonstrates their fundamental weakness. They are/were very concerned about the President's unfavorable ratings, particularly in the swing states. Their negative attacks have driven up Romney's negatives, but do nothing to improve the President's standing. The election ulitmately will be a referendum on the President, so while it's had some short term success, it's not a viable long-term strategy.

I would expect them to pivot from it shortly, in their view before the inevitable backlash begins. Intelligent people can disagree over the issue, but the campaign's "felon" reference will likely be the point of no return and I would expect the retreat from this line of attack well before the convention, probably sooner.

Mark my words: if Bain is a major point of attack at the DNC, the President will lose this race. They need to give people a reason to re-elect him, and not just to dislike his opponent.