Arrington or Washington

OCSkinzFan · #1 03-28-2005, 04:01 PM

I've heard from some that they think Arrington is over rated.
Washington on the other hand arguably had a Probowl year.

Who do you think will be the better OLB next year? Is Arrington still living on past college glory (The Leap). Is he only a top shelf OLB that sometimes gets out of position and sometimes makes great plays? While Washington plays his roll and never gets beat.

Let me know.

C-7 · #2 03-28-2005, 04:05 PM

I think they are both great, physically talented linebackers; Arrington is probably more gifted, but Washington has shown that he can get better and better, while Lavar has left a lot to desire and commits many stupid penalties. But together they are probably the best outside linebackers in the league.

whitskins · #3 03-28-2005, 04:05 PM

I'll still take Arrington. The one year this dude actually had a real defensive coordinator he had a truly monster year. He makes mental mistakes sometimes but he was consistently great under Marvin Lewis and I expect even more under GW.

He is called overrated but I think a lot of this stems from his pre-draft hype as "The Next Lawrence Taylor". I think if he stays healthy next year he gets 12 sacks in his sleep.

What I think is for sure though is that together, Arrington and Washington should both have their best seasons of their careers.

Redskin006 · #4 03-28-2005, 04:07 PM

Washington is better all-around. He has more responsibilities being that he is on the strongside so he has to cover the run, curls, and of course the TE. Arrington is more of a pass-rushing linebacker who also knows how to play the run well. He doesn't cover the curls as well as Washington. They both will have good years, but they play two different positions and have two different roles in this defense. So, it will be hard to judge who will have a better year (as long as they both are healthy and play all 16 or even 15 games).

danny's stogie · #5 03-28-2005, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskin006

Washington is better all-around. He has more responsibilities being that he is on the strongside so he has to cover the run, curls, and of course the TE. Arrington is more of a pass-rushing linebacker who also knows how to play the run well. He doesn't cover the curls as well as Washington. They both will have good years, but they play two different positions and have two different roles in this defense. So, it will be hard to judge who will have a better year (as long as they both are healthy and play all 16 or even 15 games).

Good assessment. Thats what I was thinking...they're both great, but they play different roles so it's hard to tell who's better. But comparing MW on the strong side to LA when he played strong side I'd have to give the edge to MW.

BandWagon · #6 03-28-2005, 04:17 PM

I was so incredibly delighted in how well Washington worked out for us, it would be hard to vote for Arrington. What I really want to see is how much better they each do as result of the other guy being on the field. With no offense to Lemar, it would have been interesting to see how Lavar would have done, healthy, playing the weakside. He could have been a monster!

Meatsnack · #7 03-28-2005, 04:43 PM

I agree with Danny's Stogie, LaVar (playing out of position) is not as good at the Sam as Washington. LaVar is a physiological freak. He can do things other people can't do. He can also blow the occasional assignement. The problem is finding a coach who knows how to use his unusual capabilities.

In LaVars first game back last year, I remember the hit he put on guard pulling around the end, he just leveled the guy. That was an "LT moment". Not many linebackers, if any, playing today can make that hit and blow up a play and an O-lineman at the same time. LaVar scares people and makes them go outside their comfort zone to account for him. That doesn't show up on a stats page but the effect is real.

So, to make a long story endless, I would take LaVar, barely, over Marcus. I repect Marcus' play tremendously but he is merely a very good LB. LaVar is a comicbook character.

Keino · #8 03-28-2005, 05:05 PM

Im glad we have them both.

BTW - Marcus had a pro-bowl year. It's not even arguable.

BtwnDaTackles · #9 03-28-2005, 05:14 PM

i thinl avar is the clasic case of a player thrown into a situation and he hasnt had a season to do what he does...and thats play outside linebacker.....Lets faceit lavar has played outside linebacker, inside backer, And Defensive end, this is the first year that he has actually been able to worry about his one position, you name me one LB that has success in his position, that has been used rigorously used like lavar....Ray Lewis has been at the mike ever suince he stepped in the league, we always know where to find Derek Brooks And Junior Seau when their on the field, Zack Thomas has never put his hand in the dirt either, i guess what i'm trying to say is that Lavar came into the NLF as an outside linebacker and he hasn't played the position for two seasons straight yet......

silverspring · #10 03-28-2005, 05:16 PM

They are both good players but they are great in different ways.

Washington consistenly plays great - he is dependable, hard to find that.

Lavar brings the "Lavar Factor". It is an intangible, he can change a game with one play. The best tangible example is aikman...he retired him with a hit. One hard hit on a qb and it makes for 2 easy games a season. If he is 100% he is going to blow this league apart this year.

RoanokeSkin · #11 03-28-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Keino

Im glad we have them both.

BTW - Marcus had a pro-bowl year. It's not even arguable.

Same here. And I was also wondering where the arguable portion of that comment came from.

ImmortalDragon · #12 03-28-2005, 05:56 PM

What is "the leap"?

OCSkinzFan · #13 03-28-2005, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RoanokeSkin

Same here. And I was also wondering where the arguable portion of that comment came from.

I was trying to insert some contention into the argurment. Like this:
So if Arrington was healthy, he would have gone to the PB instead of Washington?

2Cooley · #14 03-28-2005, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ImmortalDragon

What is "the leap"?

someone has to have a vid... in college right when the qb called hike lavar would jump over the whole line and sack the qb... and this was a regular occurance. I think lavar is better just because of the fact that you have to game plain against him

PennSkinsFan · #15 03-28-2005, 06:01 PM

Easy...

Potential: Arrington

Reality: Washington

Arrington has the potential to be a dominating LB, but like Ramsey, the "potential" just does not cut it anymore. Right now he is good, but shoudl be great.

Washington on the other hand...simply put, one line, A COMPLETE PLAYER