Vince Young's workout today - Page 2

akhhorus · #16 03-22-2006, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SkinsASchamps

My memory may be off but didnt mcnabb run a lot of the option at syracuse? I think he did.

McNabb ran a west coast variant. He didn't run nearly as much as Young did(he did run a lot though), nor was he as effective as Young was running the ball(3.8 yards per carry his senior year). And McNabb would have been a bust if he didn't listen to Reid and stopped running unless it was a designed rare play. Qbs cannot take the pounding of tackles and expect to last.

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Originally Posted by SkinsASchamps

Vick just ran around and no one could tackle him but he has a cannon for an arm. Vince young can escape from tackles and throw the ball deep. He has a cannon for an arm and can make the plays under pressure.

Vince Young is fooling himself if he thinks that he can escape from tackles like Vick does if he runs a 4.6. Vick can do it occasionally on turf running a 4.2-4.3. Sean Taylor and Marcus Washington are faster than Young is. Young doesn't have a "cannon" of an arm, he has Danny Weuffel's arm. Thats why he throws it the weird way that he does.

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He is a winner

Do you want to go over the list of Winning College Qbs and how they faired in the pros? This stat is useless.

oldskinfan · #17 03-22-2006, 05:46 PM

anyone know how our own Jason Campbell did on 40 yd dash?

akhhorus · #18 03-22-2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Skinsinator

LOL, yes those are a few things and I'm aware of your doubts about him. However, I really think he will be success at the next level. Choosing between him and Leinart would be difficult. Guys like Young have to be underwritten thoroughly when going to the pros but he is one that I think will work.

I'd take Leinart and Cutler 20 picks ahead of Young anytime. They are polished Qb prospects who have shown they can run pro style offenses. Young is far too risky a prospect to waste a high pick on.

lavarsamonster · #19 03-22-2006, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by akhhorus

Do you want to go over the list of Winning College Qbs and how they faired in the pros? This stat is useless.

ken dorsey, the aforementioned danny weurffel, charlie ward (oh wait he plays bball), craig krenzel, etc. are you saying these guys are nfl busts??? u must be kidding

akhhorus · #20 03-22-2006, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by oldskinfan

anyone know how our own Jason Campbell did on 40 yd dash?

4.69. .11 slower than Young.

The Skinsinator · #21 03-22-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by akhhorus

I'd take Leinart and Cutler 20 picks ahead of Young anytime. They are polished Qb prospects who have shown they can run pro style offenses. Young is far too risky a prospect to waste a high pick on.

I agree with your points about the specifics. Taking Young that high is a bit risky but the upside of Young is there. If is arm is only slightly above average, he dropped in my book a bit also. That was my biggest concern with him. His performance against USC was legendary and only time will tell if that success will transition to the nfl.

akhhorus · #22 03-22-2006, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lavarsamonster

ken dorsey, the aforementioned danny weurffel, charlie ward (oh wait he plays bball), craig krenzel, etc. are you saying these guys are nfl busts??? u must be kidding

And Young is next behind those guys in winning percentage. Good company!

akhhorus · #23 03-22-2006, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Skinsinator

I agree with your points about the specifics. Taking Young that high is a bit risky but the upside of Young is there. If is arm is only slightly above average, he dropped in my book a bit also. That was my biggest concern with him. His performance against USC was legendary and only time will tell if that success will transition to the nfl.

Yes, and there have been many legendary CFB performances, but that doesn't mean they can play in the NFL. Tim Couch had 4600 yards passing in one season with three games of 490+ yards passing. How did that work out? He's not going to be playing a defense that plays the same zone-3 every play. He's not going to playing a team where half of the players are filling out job applications after the season instead of nfl draft profiles. Young didn't run the ball well against Ohio State(which was the only real defense he played against in 05) and struggled when he was forced to play under center in a pro style offense.

lavarsamonster · #24 03-22-2006, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by akhhorus

And Young is next behind those guys in winning percentage. Good company!

a majority of good nfl qb's did not win much in college, look at peyton he could never beat florida, then tennessee goes out and wins a national championship with tee martin under center, and the qb taken after manning ryan leaf was fresh off a rose bowl appearance and we all know where that ended; matt hasslebeck, mcnabb, eli manning, tom brady, were all on teams that were good but not that great and look how there doing, which makes cutler look even more appealing over young due to a history standpoint

The Skinsinator · #25 03-22-2006, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by akhhorus

Yes, and there have been many legendary CFB performances, but that doesn't mean they can play in the NFL. Tim Couch had 4600 yards passing in one season with three games of 490+ yards passing. How did that work out? He's not going to be playing a defense that plays the same zone-3 every play. He's not going to playing a team where half of the players are filling out job applications after the season instead of nfl draft profiles. Young didn't run the ball well against Ohio State(which was the only real defense he played against in 05) and struggled when he was forced to play under center in a pro style offense.

True, but he got the job done and some and beat the juggernaut no one else could in USC and top 10 picks in Leinart, Bush, and White. He is huge, athletic, can run very well, amazing leadership skills, and is a winner (realize your argument here.) Personally, I don't know what to expect of him in the nfl but I wouldn't be shocked to see him do very well.

danny's stogie · #26 03-22-2006, 06:22 PM

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He ran a 4.58 today during his pro day on a fast track. So, he's not that fast and Leinart or Cutler are much more polished Qbs. And he didn't do a lot of throws and drops backs that they will make him do in the pros and in the private workout days. He's still in the 7-21 range(15-21 range if Oakland passes on him).

I heard he ran anywhere from a 4.49 to 4.58...give him some credit, it's certainly not Ron Mexico, but it's not as bad as Mo Clarett either.

SpicyMcHaggis · #27 03-22-2006, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by danny's stogie

I heard he ran anywhere from a 4.49 to 4.58...give him some credit, it's certainly not Ron Mexico, but it's not as bad as Mo Clarett either.

Clarett's not exactly the golden standard when it comes to the 40 yard dash..

akhhorus · #28 03-22-2006, 06:56 PM

Interesting tidbit from Mort via PFT:

"Young's throwing effort was inconclusive, Mortensen says. Although he completed 45 out of 50 passes, that source said, "That wasn't a remarkable achievement because he wasn't asked to make many tough throws and he waited a lot on his receivers to get out of their breaks. Teams that are curious about the guy are going to want to see more when they work him out.""

And that the scouts consider Vince's time to actually be 4.68 because of the fast track at Texas. As comparison: Leinart runs a 4.8 and Cutler runs a 4.75

akhhorus · #29 03-22-2006, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by danny's stogie

I heard he ran anywhere from a 4.49 to 4.58...give him some credit, it's certainly not Ron Mexico, but it's not as bad as Mo Clarett either.

But for a guy being touted as an incredible athlete who will be as much of a threat running the ball in the NFL as passing the ball, thats a terrible time. Thats FB/LB/TE speed, not RB/DB/WR speed.

akhhorus · #30 03-22-2006, 07:00 PM

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True, but he got the job done and some and beat the juggernaut no one else could in USC and top 10 picks in Leinart, Bush, and White.

So? Craig Krentzel and Maurice Clarett beat the Miami Juggernaut.

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Originally Posted by The Skinsinator

He is huge, athletic, can run very well, amazing leadership skills, and is a winner (realize your argument here.) Personally, I don't know what to expect of him in the nfl but I wouldn't be shocked to see him do very well.

Then he can play WR or something. There are major questions about his Qbing ability. And I disagree with the "run very well" and leadership skills parts. He whined to his coach to get the offense he likes and he runs well for college, but will find himself slow in the NFL.