Bush or Kerry??????

[SkinsGuru]

If the election was right now. Who would you prefer wins the election . . . Bush or Kerry?? Only between the two . . . because everyone knows nobody else has a chance.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally posted by SkinsGuru
If the election was right now. Who would you prefer wins the election . . . Bush or Kerry?? Only between the two . . . because everyone knows nobody else has a chance.

And why???


Me . . . I'd rather have someone who is somewhat of an unknown than someone I KNOW has been horrible in office.

[Spence]

Kerry, for every possible reason you could imagine.

[WinslowRedskin]

Bush. Granted hes not the best president ever but hes better than every candidate the Democrats are offering right now.

[higgybaby]

W.

[skinsfan44]

Originally posted by WinslowRedskin
Bush. Granted hes not the best president ever but hes better than every candidate the Democrats are offering right now.

After what happend in Spain, a vote for Kerry, IMO is a victory for Al Quieda.

[Spence]

Originally posted by skinsfan44
After what happend in Spain, a vote for Kerry, IMO is a victory for Al Quieda.

A vote for Bush is a vote for Hitler.

[RedskinsDave]

Hitler's dead, Al Queda is alive and well.

[Spence]

Originally posted by RedskinsDave
Hitler's dead, Al Queda is alive and well.

Fascism isn't dead, though. I'm glad to see you admit that Al Qaeda is alive and well. The Bush regime isn't willing to admit the obvious.

But I was making a different point. What has Skinsfan44 done for his country that equals what John Kerry has done? The notion that voting for a decorated war hero like John Kerry is supporting people who have made it their goal in life to murder Americans is one of the most offensive things I've ever read. [I'm sure it is a future campaign tactic of the Bush regime, though.] It's pretty typical of right-wingers in this country, though. Rush Limbaugh, that chickenhawk draft-dodger, does the same thing.

John Kerry didn't get his daddy to secure him a cushy spot in the Texas Air National Guard. He didn't have "other priorities" more important than serving his country, as Dick Cheney did. He didn't claim he couldn't get into the military because evil negroes were taking up all the spaces that God-fearing right-wing Americans wanted, as Tom DeLay said.

John Kerry has fought and killed men for this country. The notion that voting for him is like voting for Al Qaeda is not only offensive, it is colossally stupid. Most of John Kerry's criticisms of George W. Bush's anti-terror policy is that he isn't fighting hard enough. For example, Kerry was the first to criticize Bush for holding the U.S. military back in Afghanistan and allowing Osama Bin Laden to escape from Tora Bora. [You remember Bin Laden, don't you? He's the guy who actually IS responsible for the murder of 3000 Americans on a single day.]

John Kerry and George W Bush will both fight terrorists. The difference is that John Kerry will do it better. Those of us who support John Kerry are not voting for an end to the war on terror because such a thing is not possible. The war on Al Qaeda can only end when every last member of that group is dead or in prison. We want John Kerry in the White House because, among other things, he'll do a better job at destroying Al Qaeda than George W. Bush has done.

Admittedly, John Kerry will not attack, invade, and occupy countries that have no weapons of mass destruction and played no part in the 9/11/01 attacks. But rather than seeing that as a sign of weakness, those of us who support John Kerry see it as a sign of intelligence and strength.

George W Bush is a blustering blowhard, full of big words. John Kerry is a warrior. Many of us prefer the warrior.

[RedskinsDave]

You kill me with your importance you place on military service NOW. I recall back in 92 all you libs saying it's not that big of a deal. As usual, predictable.

[jporterweb]

Originally posted by Spence
A vote for Bush is a vote for Hitler.

That's BS. To call him Hitler is ridiculous and unfair. What happened when your speech was coherent and made sense. That's just unbelievable. It's unbelievable how much you hate the man. But that was just completely uncalled for. Even MoveOn.org withdrew their comparison to Hitler ad in that contest because they realized it was wrong.

[Spence]

Of course, one could say the same thing about you conservatives, Dave. Military service seemed far more important to Republicans in 1992 than it does now. As you would say: predicatable.

But of course there are some differences. Firstly, the U.S. was not at war in 1992. We are now. Turning to warriors in times of national security crisis is not exactly unknown. The public viewed the country to be in an ECONOMIC crisis in 1992 and they turned to the person they thought best equipped to deal with it. Had the country been at war it is pretty certain George H.W. Bush would have been re-elected.

The country now faces a jobs crisis, a deficit crisis, AND a national security crisis. The first two are important, but destroying Al Qaeda goes beyond importance. The survival of our people depends on it. In the war between Al Qaeda and the United States, only one of us is getting out alive. I prefer someone who recognizes that our battle is with Al Qaeda and other suicidal/homicidal transnational terrorist groups, not defenseless thugs like Saddam Hussein.

Of course, I also think John Kerry will do much better dealing with our jobs crisis and our deficit crisis than the man who created those problems in the first place and then denied that the problems even existed until even members of his own party began to object. But that's dollars and cents. Even if I trusted Bush more on those issues, I'd still vote for John Kerry because he will fight our real enemy instead of wasting precious time, blood and treasure on diversions.

[Spence]

Originally posted by jporterweb
That's BS. To call him Hitler is ridiculous and unfair. What happened when your speech was coherent and made sense. That's just unbelievable. It's unbelievable how much you hate the man. But that was just completely uncalled for.

I know it is false, jporterweb, and I acknowledged that in an above post. I wrote that to make a point. If saying a vote for John Kerry is a vote for Al Qaeda then saying a vote for George W Bush is a vote for Hitler.

I don't hate George W. Bush. I hate people who assault the patriotism of war heroes and those who support war heroes. I notice you had no objection to comparing support for Kerry to support for the group that murdered 3000 Americans in a single day.

You see, you right-wingers think you can get away with excrement like that. Not anymore you can't. John Kerry is not Mike Dukakis and neither are his supporters. We'll fight back. Play fair or expect to get it right back in your teeth, hombre.

[jporterweb]

The point of that comment Spence was that if we vote for Kerry, then Al Qaeda is the real winner. People see his stance on the War on Terror as weak. He flip flops, hell he's flip flopping on this "foreign leaders" thing. First he met with them then he just talked to them, now it is being said that he said "MORE Leaders" I don't want a president like that. He has gone on record saying he voted for things that he voted against. He doesn't know what his opinions are. That is worse then any thing that supposedly George W. has done. Indecisiveness can costs lives in this day an age. At least George W. is decisive and knows what he wants to do.

Edit:
So take that in your teeth Hombre. Cause he didn't say it would be like voting for Al Qaeda just that Al Qaeda would be the victor if he won.

[Spence]

That's a distinction without a difference, jporterweb, and you know it. Your views on Kerry are your own. They make no difference to me. I will combat blood libel. That's it. Accept or not, I do not care.

The point of my comment was that if Bush wins fascism wins. Don't like it? Too bad. It's your own medicine. Drink up.