Is Taylor Dropping in the Draft?

[Yudolindo]

Originally posted by colkurtz
I think you need to check your facts. In this present draft the UM has 3, yes three, defensive players who will be selected in the top 2 rounds. Wilfork may be the top DT, and a LB (can't remember his name) should go in the second round. I'd say the extremely high level of talent on the UM defense probably helped Taylor to do so well. OBTW, Winslow II - on the offensive side is another top 10 draft pick.

Miami's offense was awful this season, Winslow or no. Wilfork is only a top DT because of the lack of elite DT talent in this draft. Vilma is a good linebacker, but Taylor was the heart of that D. Udeze was a very bright star among many unlike Suggs who was his team. A few people forget to mention that in their comparisons between Suggs and Udeze. Suggs played on a marginal team in a down conference, Udeze played on the best team in college football.

[Yudolindo]

"One legit comparison is that they both played in what some members have called the "weak" PAC-10, Suggs Arizona St. and Udeze USC. "

....but Suggs was his team, Udeze was just a big player on his. If you think its fair to equate the talent level at AZ St. to that of USC...well, its not a fair comparison and is frankly unfair to Suggs and his achievement.

[colkurtz]

Originally posted by Yudolindo
Miami's offense was awful this season, Winslow or no. Wilfork is only a top DT because of the lack of elite DT talent in this draft. Vilma is a good linebacker, but Taylor was the heart of that D. Udeze was a very bright star among many unlike Suggs who was his team. A few people forget to mention that in their comparisons between Suggs and Udeze. Suggs played on a marginal team in a down conference, Udeze played on the best team in college football.

I agree with everything you say.... However, the point with Wilfork is that his talent on the UMiami line helped make Taylor look better. Pressure from Wlilfork and others [Vilma?] helped Taylor use his considerable skill to hawk the ball (and get 10 int/ 3 tds).

With our present DL, Taylor will be making great tackles down field, after 10 yd gains....

Part of the Suggs - Udeze comparison is that they are workout freaks, sack masters and lived in the opposing team's backfields.
Udeze is raw, but to my mind has a great deal of upside. He probably is not as "certain" a sure thing as Taylor; but fills more need and is cheaper. He will be a huge improvement over what we have. i'd be happy with either selection.

[Yudolindo]

As I said before, the only thing that I really love about Udeze is that we could move him to DT on passing downs and set a true speed rusher next to him. He has good enough size and strength to compete with a guard, but with his burst he will blow by them. If we could get a solid third down guy next to him, it may be a deadly tandem. If we could get Udeze at 10 or so and pick up a 2nd round pick, I am all for it. I just think that its going to be impossible to trade down so readily this year and taking Udeze at five does not right now sit well with me.

[colkurtz]

Originally posted by Yudolindo
As I said before, the only thing that I really love about Udeze is that we could move him to DT on passing downs and set a true speed rusher next to him. He has good enough size and strength to compete with a guard, but with his burst he will blow by them. If we could get a solid third down guy next to him, it may be a deadly tandem. If we could get Udeze at 10 or so and pick up a 2nd round pick, I am all for it. I just think that its going to be impossible to trade down so readily this year and taking Udeze at five does not right now sit well with me.

If there is no offers to trade down, then I think they'll take Winslow; but Taylor is definetly a strong possibility.

With an offer of a slightly lower 1st (to possibly get Udeze or Smith or even Harris) and a second-rounder -- they would really be tempted to take that, for the reasons I've stated.

If Udeze has a superstar workout he will definetly creep up into the top 10. If Taylor has another disappointing workout he may move down one or two slots (still in top 10).

[SkinsKY]

Originally posted by Yudolindo
.....and Willis McGahee's agent said that he would be rookie of the year. It means nothing what Udeze's agent said: we may as well ask Udeze's mom how he will do in the NFL.

She seems to think he will be a great player, so I guess you have to swith to the Udeze Camp now. Still looking for a link though...

[colkurtz]

Udeze's workout is in 4 days, so we won't have to rely on his agent or his mother for information on his strength, speed, agility or interviews. We shall see then. However, even if he has a great workout there will be those that say he has bad technique, he could be a bust; he only got his 16.5 sacks because he played for USC; he's too young, he was borne under the wrong sign, his aura isn't right, the PAC 10 s*cks so it all means nothing, etc.

I think he has talent, poise and is a hard-working kid. Is he a sure thing? No way. College DE and DT's often do not pan out in the NFL, as do many others that are drafted.

The FO will look at Udeze / Smith / Harris - see the workouts, interview them and watch their films. Then Joe gibbs will rank order them. If we are offered a trade down the FO may take it if it's good enough. Then they may take one of these DE's (throwing Harris into that group).

If we take Taylor, we will not have a chance to get a premium DE like one of these three. We will have to wait until 2005. If the market is weak (as some claim this year) for DE's in 2005 draft what do we do then?

Taylor or winslow may be too good to pass up, but at some point we are going to have to address the DL. Only one or two excellent players on the line can change a defense (Gardener in 2002) for the better. A line with limited talent makes the best DB group look horrible. Witness last year.

[colkurtz]

The inability to get a single good pass rushing DLineman may really be driving the Redskins draft more than anyone wants to acknowledge. Holmes did not work out and the DE pool is getting very shallow - and drying up fast. Waiting until June 1 is very risky.

No DE FAs available + the extremely high prices for good pass rushing DE FAs = Trade Down to draft Udeze / Smith / Harris.

[Yudolindo]

He needs to come up big in his workouts to justify a fifth pick. No matter what numbers he puts up: we still need a true FS and frankly I don't care how we get one.

[flave1969]

Originally posted by Yudolindo
He needs to come up big in his workouts to justify a fifth pick. No matter what numbers he puts up: we still need a true FS and frankly I don't care how we get one.

He cannot come up that big I think. I would love to have Udeze but only if we can trade down. I love the look of a trade down in which we pick up Udeze and perhaps Ben Watson from Georgia in the second, he has had fantastic workouts and seems a far more solid personality the Winslow.

Truth be told I would be happy with any of these guys they will all help our team. We are never going to get all we want in one hit.

[Redskinfan28]

Originally posted by TexSkin
SkinsKY can you shorten up that sig...its really messing with me looking at posts you post on.

That is a great Sig

[colkurtz]

Originally posted by flave1969
He cannot come up that big I think. I would love to have Udeze but only if we can trade down. I love the look of a trade down in which we pick up Udeze and perhaps Ben Watson from Georgia in the second, he has had fantastic workouts and seems a far more solid personality the Winslow.

Truth be told I would be happy with any of these guys they will all help our team. We are never going to get all we want in one hit.

I think Udeze's workout will be as impressive as Smith's. Frankly, I'd be happy with him, Smith or Harris.

IMHO I think one of those three will be a Redskin next year. We'll draft a hot TE or FS in the second round.

[Jon Creveling]

Guys thanks for the great posts! Don't follow college so I'm kind of blind on this other than what I read up on! On the bright side I have a clear head!!! TSN draftguide says Udeze in the last 2 seasons has 24 sacks and forced 11!!! fumbles. Man whether or not the guy plays on a good team that has to show ability and desire! How many near miss sacks and interceptions from his pressure? Again I don't pretend to know, just wondering. The kid sounds good from what I've read on him,,, Bottomline in my mind is we need a new DEX! But I'm ok with whatever they end up doing next month. Have to ask this, if the we pull a K.C. and draft Winslow at 5, somebody in the know without college team bias(please) can you compare him to say Shockey? The dude seems very attitudy( new word) but is that a good thing? Some times this team acts like it's dead and doesn't care. Maybe we need that? Somebody that's friggen alive! Somebody to snap the team out of its doldrums! Get this( wishful thinking on my part) somebody that won't take no for an answer playing the Cowboys at Texas Stadium??? Talent wise is he as good as Shockey? Attitude wise ? Looking forward to your input! ps to the NJ-NY-Penn. faithfull!!! Incase you don't know they're going to blow up the Vet on Sunday! Tv Channel 12 will cover it starting at 6:30 am Sunday!

[Derek042]

Hey, trade down or take Taylor or Winslow. Either way its a win-win. I think the additions with have made this year already is enough to make us competitive again. I mean I was happy when we just got Gibbs. Now we have a pro-bowl running back and a upgraded defense. Even if we didn't have any picks at all in the draft we still have greatly improved.

So if we go with Taylor then great...He is a good FS.. If we go with Winslow the we will have another weapon on offense....And if we trade down the we will get a good DLmen and some more picks to add depth.

As you can see we are going to make out either way we go...I can't wait to see us in action next year

[JoeDaSchmoe]

Man, Colkurtz, I really like your style of thinking.