Udeze's Workout

[Emmanouel8]

Winslow Winslow Winslow

[BigCountry]

When Phillip Daniels is your best defensive end, you better draft for need. Sean Taylor can't consistantly change this thing everyone was complaining about last year, that the QB had all week to throw the ball. Udeze can change that. He's not a sure thing but niether is Sean Taylor. For those who say Arrington and Washington will get pressure, you can't blitz a LB on every play. One thing I know for sure is that Sean Taylor will be ineffective with the pass no pass rush, and even with Griffin and Daniels, we don't have nearly enough.

[Redskinfan28]

Then you better prepare for a terrible season, because its likely that our lineup BG.

[Yudolindo]

You are assuming that the only pick we could possibly make other than Udeze is Sean Taylor. There are other players in this draft and when discussing whom we ought to take it makes sense to examine them too. Udeze has a very strong case, but Winslow, Smith and Harris make sense as well. I would be a bit disappointed if we drafted Harris at five…but he has a case.

We may end up with KW2. He has yet to disappoint and the FO supposedly loves him. Who knows.

[SkinsKY]

Originally posted by natgbz
More of the same hipocrosy. Please stop it, you are a Taylor fanatic.

I disagree with Yudo in his support of Taylor, and I still think that we should take Udeze, but him and I went round and round a while back on this and he has been pretty consistent. If I remember correctly, his big contention was that if we were gonna take Udeze we would have to trade down for him to like it, but he would rather take Taylor than that option. He hasn't been hypocritical at all. He wants Udeze fans to calm down just like we want Taylor fans to do the same.

[SkinsKY]

Originally posted by Redskinfan28
PS Winslow is as strong as Udeze.

Bench presses are pretty boy lifts. Michael Pittman benches houses but that doesn't make him a good players. Most of a DE's physical strength and the more important factor would be the legs. So what if KWII benches as much as Udeze. I think it's the least important of all the major lifts in regards to football.

[Yudolindo]

To be honest my enthusiasm for drafting Taylor at five has been waning for some time. Workouts and attitude is important, I think. It would have been nice if one DT or DE prospect blew the roof off at his pro day, but it has not happened really. I think KW2 is misunderstood and gets a lot of flack for being immature and acts out when he desperately wants to win. So at five, we have lots of options: trade down, take a d-linemen or stay and take Taylor or Winslow. I still am going to advocate we scrape the barrel after June first and find someone to help our D-line…and a FS in the second round would be neat too...

[garedskin]

Originally posted by Yudolindo
Please cite specific posts. I have praised and criticized both players this last month and I have always attempted to post objectively to further a discussion. Please don't get angry because at me because Udeze's workout did not live up to the hype. Further, what you claim I am guilty of is not hypocrisy: supporting someone and then criticizing their opponents would not make me a hypocrite but rather quite consistent. However, I am sure that is all irrelevant to you as you are just making stuff up.

Be honest every one that puts up a post here has there own agenda on a subject. I don't buy the 'objective' stance on any issue in here. Mine ain't. If everyone started to agree on everything then this place would suck. So lets agree to disagree it is more fun this way. We are all still the best damn fans in the world. I hope we pick Taylor if any one cares.

[SkinzFan_Oz]

Does anybody else feel that this guy could be one of the biggest busts in the draft. I just get the feeling that he will be an average DL in the NFL, and not a game changer like the experts are predicting for KWII or Taylor. Does anyone else feel like this guy will be a bust?

[RedskinRyan]

Originally posted by Green Is Good
Terrell Suggs had a horrible combine last year. Can anyone argue with the end result.

cant argue with how suggs did. imagine what he coulda done if he hadnt had split playing time with cornell brown.

[Yudolindo]

Originally posted by garedskin
Be honest every one that puts up a post here has there own agenda on a subject. I don't buy the 'objective' stance on any issue in here. Mine ain't. If everyone started to agree on everything then this place would suck. So lets agree to disagree it is more fun this way. We are all still the best damn fans in the world. I hope we pick Taylor if any one cares.

You can’t just accuse someone of being “aggressive” towards others a blind supporter and a jerk without providing some proof in support. If you don’t, why doesn’t everyone make up nasty stuff and just post it for fun? We could turn HR into a regular FYAD. Stuff like that damages this community and shouldn’t go on.

No, I have no motives as I have no personal interest in have one or another drafted. As I said above, all options are good ones. A few on this board have personalized this issue. I am not one of them.

[Emmanouel8]

Originally posted by SkinsKY
Bench presses are pretty boy lifts. Michael Pittman benches houses but that doesn't make him a good players. Most of a DE's physical strength and the more important factor would be the legs. So what if KWII benches as much as Udeze. I think it's the least important of all the major lifts in regards to football.

Pittman was never in Winslow's class at his position!

Comparing the significance of his bench press to Pittman's is an injustice. KWII can play at a high college level period, the combine is used to see if there's any chinks in high prospect armor and in Winslow 's case there isn't so so far he has all his check marks on being a successful player in the NFL. Rebut he had a stellar college career and an excellent combine conclusion he will be a high draft pick b/c he the most likely to succeed in the NFL.

Pitman was 15th rounder out of bum f#4@ outer moongolia, the combine for these players means something different for them. instead of looking for chinks scouts are looking for whatever armor they can find, and when they see some they believe they can build around whatever armor they have. Pittman has always been a strong guy so I'm sure that's what gave him his oppurtunity and I can GUARANTEE that's what gave him his success however little you may think it is.

I'm sure his bench press has something to do w/ it and I'm sure it has something to do w/ his blocking too. Your only as strong as your weakest link.

[J-Rod]

Originally posted by SkinzFan_Oz
Does anybody else feel that this guy could be one of the biggest busts in the draft. I just get the feeling that he will be an average DL in the NFL, and not a game changer like the experts are predicting for KWII or Taylor. Does anyone else feel like this guy will be a bust?

I think anyone in the draft could be a bust. No one is a "sure thing". This might be an unfair comparison but out of all the high first round safeties that have been chosen, few have went on to be total busts. I'm sure there are some because as I said, there are no sure things. I just think that Taylor may be less prone (for lack of better wording) to be a bust than Udeze. This also goes with KW2. There just seems to be less to deal with.
If we go by the workout stats, Will Smith had a better overall workout than Udeze, but living in Ohio and seeing just about every OSU game, I think he is a little light against the run.
Getting back to my point...why is that it is so hard to find good, hell, even servicable DLineman? Because the position is so damn difficult. We as Redskins fans know this all too well. Suggs went into the NFL as a LB so the situation is different. Do I think Udeze is going to be good?...time will tell but I think he will in time...I wish we had more time to find out...

[Redskinfan28]

Originally posted by SkinsKY
Bench presses are pretty boy lifts. Michael Pittman benches houses but that doesn't make him a good players. Most of a DE's physical strength and the more important factor would be the legs. So what if KWII benches as much as Udeze. I think it's the least important of all the major lifts in regards to football.

I disagree. I played DL in college and know that the bench is a great way to measure strength and the ability for a DL to get separation from an opposiing OL. As anyone who plays can attest to, if you can push an OL up and away from you, you can then get rid of him when you need to make a play or tackle. If you can't get separation, you are done.

A press of 225 25X is certainly not bad at all - more of a testiment to Winslow than a knock on Udeze. KW2 is the superior player, IMO.

[SkinsKY]

Originally posted by Redskinfan28
I disagree. I played DL in college and know that the bench is a great way to measure strength and the ability for a DL to get separation from an opposiing OL. As anyone who plays can attest to, if you can push an OL up and away from you, you can then get rid of him when you need to make a play or tackle. If you can't get separation, you are done.

A press of 225 25X is certainly not bad at all - more of a testiment to Winslow than a knock on Udeze. KW2 is the superior player, IMO.

I would have to concede in most part here as you have more football experience than I do. Upper body strength is important to getting separation, but I think footwork and leg drive may be more important. I only played in high school, but played DL against many who went on to play college ball and was fairly successful even though I couldn't bench two cats in a bucket. I worked a lot on my angles and my steps and beat many of these college prospects. I strongly believe that superior that footwork and position can beat upper body strength a good majority of the time, with the upper body being a bonus. That's why I place higher value on the lower body than benching. Not that bench isn't important, but I think legs are more important.

I do agree with you that the reps should be indicative of KWIIs ability and not a lack of Udeze's.