Hmmmm

hail2skins · #1 10-04-2004, 10:48 AM

Let's see

Our defense has allowed a total of 68 points in 4 games. That's an average of 17 points per game. Of those 68 points, 21 points resulted from offensive turnovers deep in our own territory. So for fun let's deduct those 21 points as if those turnovers never happened. That's 47 points allowed in 4 games with an average of 12. Deduct a TD from each one of those games and we're like 3-1 or 4-0.

POINT - Eliminate the turnovers, they are killing us.

RedskinRyan · #2 10-04-2004, 11:00 AM

i was thinking about that. and if you consider that we've only giving up 21 points off of tunrovers in 4 games, the giants only got 7 points off ot 7 turnovers.

TexSkin · #3 10-04-2004, 11:02 AM

The breaks have been against us. We will rebound. This team has heart and I am not giving up on the season.

dj_stouty · #4 10-04-2004, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by hail2skins

Let's see

Our defense has allowed a total of 68 points in 4 games. That's an average of 17 points per game. Of those 68 points, 21 points resulted from offensive turnovers deep in our own territory. So for fun let's deduct those 21 points as if those turnovers never happened. That's 47 points allowed in 4 games with an average of 12. Deduct a TD from each one of those games and we're like 3-1 or 4-0.

POINT - Eliminate the turnovers, they are killing us.

But I'm not 100% confident that we would have won had we not given up those three touchdown-producing turnovers. I'm starting to think we would have found a different way to lose those games.

I'm really getting sick of losing by 4 or less points. Spurrier lost SIX games last year by 4 points or less. I thought this year would be different...

I think our offense needs to hold on to the ball more, AND our coach needs to find a different way to lead this team downfield. Obviously it isn't working right now.

joethefan · #5 10-04-2004, 11:16 AM

Hey hail your very good with math....but it sounds good to me....Answer this one how many carries has Portis had this year?.....and divide that number by 4 and that's the average per carry he'll fumble thus far. I'm sure that's not a good stat either....

hail2skins · #6 10-04-2004, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by joethefan

Hey hail your very good with math....but it sounds good to me....Answer this one how many carries has Portis had this year?.....and divide that number by 4 and that's the average per carry he'll fumble thus far. I'm sure that's not a good stat either....

I'd rather see the glass as half full than half empty.

Anyway, he has 92 carries for 369 yards average 4 yards a pop. Projected to get 1476 and have a total of 16 fumbles. Courtesy of ESPN

dj_stouty · #7 10-04-2004, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by hail2skins

I'd rather see the glass as half full than half empty.

Anyway, he has 92 carries for 369 yards average 4 yards a pop. Projected to get 1476 and have a total of 16 fumbles. Courtesy of ESPN

Actually....Portis only has 3 fumbles that were lost. His forth was recovered by himself. When broadcasters say a player has 6 fumbles in a season, they are only talking about the ones that are turnovers. Case in point...all broadcasters have been mentioning that Portis only had one fumble last year. In reality, he had 3...but only 1 of them was turned over to the defense.

But quite honestly...3 fumbles in 4 games is still horrific.

hail2skins · #8 10-04-2004, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_stouty

But I'm not 100% confident that we would have won had we not given up those three touchdown-producing turnovers. I'm starting to think we would have found a different way to lose those games.

I'm really getting sick of losing by 4 or less points. Spurrier lost SIX games last year by 4 points or less. I thought this year would be different...

I think our offense needs to hold on to the ball more, AND our coach needs to find a different way to lead this team downfield. Obviously it isn't working right now.

I see your point but on those fumbles, we really put our defense in a bad situation and while they have been good, it's hard for them to bail us out every single time.

hail2skins · #9 10-04-2004, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_stouty

Actually....Portis only has 3 fumbles that were lost. His forth was recovered by himself. When broadcasters say a player has 6 fumbles in a season, they are only talking about the ones that are turnovers. Case in point...all broadcasters have been mentioning that Portis only had one fumble last year. In reality, he had 3...but only 1 of them was turned over to the defense.

But quite honestly...3 fumbles in 4 games is still horrific.

You're right and the projection becomes 12. Still bad though. There's also the possibility he won't fumble again this season.

NamVet4 · #10 10-04-2004, 12:30 PM

Turnovers have always been the killers to a good game drive! And if watching our Beloved Team for over 20 years, especially during the Gibbs I era, has taught me anything it is that the issue is addressed everyday in every meeting by every coach! Now we must expect the players to execute without the turnovers.

Skins4life · #11 10-04-2004, 12:59 PM

All of this talk about fumbles and turnovers. Freakin depressing. Anyway - we have been on the unlucky side of things for 3 weeks now. This can't continue - I mean - soon the ball will bounce our way. Joe will get it done.

Carmelo · #12 10-04-2004, 12:59 PM

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I see your point but on those fumbles, we really put our defense in a bad situation and while they have been good, it's hard for them to bail us out every single time.

I just hope they don't get to the point where they start to hate the offense. We had a thread about that before and we all jumped on the guy because we said that those things don't happen to a "Joe Gibbs Team." Well, we've seen a lot of stuff that aren't characteristic of a Joe Gibbs team and who knows what will happen. I just hope they don't start to resent the offense. I'm definitely of the mindset that this thing isn't anywhere near over and that when 1 or 2 things fall into place we'll be on a roll. I think we just have to turn the proverbial corner.

smoak · #13 10-04-2004, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by joethefan

Hey hail your very good with math....but it sounds good to me....Answer this one how many carries has Portis had this year?.....and divide that number by 4 and that's the average per carry he'll fumble thus far. I'm sure that's not a good stat either....

JTF -

great point. not to mention his YPC without that one long run is below avarage.

whistleandthumb · #14 10-04-2004, 01:05 PM

Turnovers ARE killing us. But so is our piss poor offense. Score some effing points and maybe a turnover or two won't be the end of us. There's no reason this offense shouldn't be lighting it up for 25+ points/game.

BandWagon · #15 10-04-2004, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by whistleandthumb

Turnovers ARE killing us. But so is our piss poor offense. Score some effing points and maybe a turnover or two won't be the end of us. There's no reason this offense shouldn't be lighting it up for 25+ points/game.

Yep, I've been thinking the same thing. But in watching the scores yesterday there were a lot of games with scores under 20. So it's not like we're without company. Even Philly only ran up 19.