If Gibbs....

[smoak]

Originally Posted by LaVarTaylor28

Yeah, but honestly do you think it was better than the one against the Giants??

That was almost perfect... the best gameplan I've seen in years.... maybe the best gameplan since the Giants destroyed the Viking to reach the SuperBowl.

execution makes a gameplan look better or worse IMO... that said i think we could easily beat the iggles with a game (whether it be the game plan or execution or whatever) like we played last week. the iggles one 11-1 record is more a function of the medocrity in the NFC. they would be a wild card in the AFC i think.

we absolutely have to run the football sunday night and we can't get behind and get off track.

[PhillyPhil]

Originally Posted by smoakme

execution makes a gameplan look better or worse IMO... that said i think we could easily beat the iggles with a game (whether it be the game plan or execution or whatever) like we played last week. the iggles one 11-1 record is more a function of the medocrity in the NFC. they would be a wild card in the AFC i think.

we absolutely have to run the football sunday night and we can't get behind and get off track.

To say the Eagles record is a result of a bad conference is an obvious slight on a team you dislike. Don't get me wrong the NFC is poor, but this team has won 11,11,12,12 over the last 4 yrs w/o T.O. and a healthy Westbrook. This yr everyone is healthy. All we do is win games and (w/ the exception of Pitt) convicingly. What more can a great team do but win. If you really think this team isn't great, I'd like to hear your reasoning. There were no games we almost or "should have" lost this year. The Steelers was a throw away game, much like the Packers game against us. The Pack is not indicitavie of that loss. Nor the Steelers against the Ravens. As much as you might dislike the Eagles, they are a very, very good team.

[openallnight]

In the 1st game the short hitches and screens setup us up nicely for some early pump fakes on stop and goes. Look for the Redskins to jump out too an early lead on a long pass. Our D did a good job the 1st game of keeping their o in check. The refs gave philly 2 of their TDs due to some terrible spots on 3rd downs that kept drives alive. I expect an even better outing this time. Once we get an early lead we can pound our TBs and wear down that injury depleted philly line. This should consume clock and allow our D ample time to rest.
Lastly, the biggest difference SHOULD be the home field advantage. The O had a tough time handling the crowd noise up there. We need to reciprocate the favor here. The 12th Man MUST show up louder than ever.

[dj_stouty]

Originally Posted by Jimreaper007

Gibbs called an excellent game in our first meeting with the Eagles.

Those hitch passes that everyone was complaining about was drawing the cornerbacks in for play action. The execution is what did the skins in. The two shots Ramsey had deep he overthrew the first one and had no chance on the second.

Gibbs wanted to even the odds by putting the ball in the air less and giving ramsey high percentage passes. He let Ramsey go downfield twice in that game to no avail. Gibbs gameplan worked until we started shooting ourselves in the foot with stupid penalties in the 3rd quarter. The Eagles simply took advantage.

I expect a different outcome this time...

Great post.

I think Gibbs gameplans very well...but when he wants to pound the ball, and the defense won't let Portis have an inch, he has no choice to abandon it and move to something that will. (Similar to the Steelers game)

I love how methodical Gibbs is in his playcalling. Calling short outs and hitches to set up the PA pass was a great strategy, but as you said, the players didn't deliver. Or when kept calling bootlegs for Ramsey which set up the Utah Pass (or shovel pass) to Portis for the TD.

Hopefully he has a good one for Philly this week.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by PhillyPhil

The Steelers was a throw away game, much like the Packers game against us. The Pack is not indicitavie of that loss. Nor the Steelers against the Ravens. As much as you might dislike the Eagles, they are a very, very good team.

I'm with you and I'm not with you. The Eagles are, indeed, a very, very good team and I don't think the general awfulness of the NFC is any indication that Philadelphia is not a superb football squad. I think you're kidding yourself about the Pittsburgh game being a "throwaway." Pittsburgh dominated Philadelphia and Pittsburgh dominated New England. To believe that Philly's loss to Pittsburgh was a "throwaway," one would have to accept that the Eagles are a better team--perhaps much better--than the Patriots. I don't believe that for a second and I don't think any reasonable observer does.

The Eagles are one of the three best teams in the NFL, [right now, I have them rated #3 overall in the hR Power Poll], but they lost to Pittsburgh for very good reasons. If they play the Steelers again Philadelphia might win, but they lost to Pittsburgh this year because the Steelers defense is the best in the NFL and their offense can really run the ball, which is a major weakness in the Eagles' defense. It wasn't an accident or "throwaway." The Steelers beat [dominated, really] Philadelphia the same way they've won games all year: Dominating rushing attack and smothering defense.

[PhillyPhil]

Originally Posted by Spence

I'm with you and I'm not with you. The Eagles are, indeed, a very, very good team and I don't think the general awfulness of the NFC is any indication that Philadelphia is not a superb football squad. I think you're kidding yourself about the Pittsburgh game being a "throwaway." Pittsburgh dominated Philadelphia and Pittsburgh dominated New England. To believe that Philly's loss to Pittsburgh was a "throwaway," one would have to accept that the Eagles are a better team--perhaps much better--than the Patriots. I don't believe that for a second and I don't think any reasonable observer does.

The Eagles are one of the three best teams in the NFL, [right now, I have them rated #3 overall in the hR Power Poll], but they lost to Pittsburgh for very good reasons. If they play the Steelers again Philadelphia might win, but they lost to Pittsburgh this year because the Steelers defense is the best in the NFL and their offense can really run the ball, which is a major weakness in the Eagles' defense. It wasn't an accident or "throwaway." The Steelers beat [dominated, really] Philadelphia the same way they've won games all year: Dominating rushing attack and smothering defense.

Throw away in a sense that it was not very fair indication of how good this team is. I know the Packers are not that bad. The Steelers know we are not that bad. Don't get me wrong I think the Steelers might be the best, but I throw it away b/c we were 21-0 in the 1st quarter. We played awful. These games happen. I understand what your saying though and I don't necessarily disagree.

[Jimreaper007]

Originally Posted by dj_stouty

Great post.

I think Gibbs gameplans very well...but when he wants to pound the ball, and the defense won't let Portis have an inch, he has no choice to abandon it and move to something that will. (Similar to the Steelers game)

I love how methodical Gibbs is in his playcalling. Calling short outs and hitches to set up the PA pass was a great strategy, but as you said, the players didn't deliver. Or when kept calling bootlegs for Ramsey which set up the Utah Pass (or shovel pass) to Portis for the TD.

Hopefully he has a good one for Philly this week.

Thanks!

What people seem to forget about Gibbs is that every play he runs sets up something else. Gibbs has a purpose for each play. Gibbs is famous for giving you a look with the first play and then giving you that same look but this time with play action. He will bring in two tight ends to make you think run and send Cooley on a sideline fade after he fake the handoff to portis.

If Joe Gibbs has a balanced attack there is no one in the league better at calling plays.

This game will boil down to two factors:

Brutal Force and Execution....

This is about manhood. Can we enforce our will on the Eagles???

We are going to find out...

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Originally Posted by PhillyPhil

There were no games we almost or "should have" lost this year. The Steelers was a throw away game, much like the Packers game against us. The Pack is not indicitavie of that loss. Nor the Steelers against the Ravens. As much as you might dislike the Eagles, they are a very, very good team.

You should have losed that game against the Vikings, that TO reception for a TD was completely ridiculous. With that said, I think the Eagles are a very good team, but are not in the same category as the Patriots or Colts IMO. They would not be for sure 11-1 in the AFC.

Andy Reid had never faced Joe Gibbs until two weeks ago. What Andy Reid will find out this week, is a very unique gift of Joe Gibbs, once he has played you.

anything is possible, including a, god forbid, collapse of our beloved team.

Joe couldn't have exactly put that game plan in for Philly because the Philly defense is far, far more active than the Giants. Also, to defeat the Eagles, you hae to be able be methodical in what works, without any mistakes and people staying focused (like the Skins DID do last week). The Eagles beat you with patience on defense and long ball from McNabb to any receiver, particularly TO. Westbrook is a triple threat, and Reids isn't afraid to rub your nose in the pee, if he's successful against you on something.

Reid is to the Skins, what Dallas was in the 80's, consistent, always a threat, and very competitive, every year.

WE will find a way to win!

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

Originally Posted by Spence

No. Look, we can only beat the Eagles if they help us a lot by beating themselves.

I normally agree with you Spence but I must to disagree with you here.
The Eagles are talented, and I might be in the minority, but I don't think
the talent level between us is overwhelming. If we execute we can defeat
the Eagles..regardless of how many mistakes they make or do not make.
On the other hand, if we don't show up ready for slugfest..it could
get rather ugly.

[KingButz]

Our strength offensively is and will be the run with Clinton Portis. If we never lose that focus and the defense plays as they have all year, we will beat the Eagles.

Run with Portis, supplemented by Ramsey's passing. Not the other way around. If we do that, or the defense falters, then we'll lose.

[ruxpin]

Originally Posted by LaVarTaylor28

Yeah, but honestly do you think it was better than the one against the Giants??

That was almost perfect... the best gameplan I've seen in years.... maybe the best gameplan since the Giants destroyed the Viking to reach the SuperBowl.

The Giants are a sadsack bunch and you all act like beating them was some heroic effort! You could have shown up with the University of Maryland team and have beaten the Giants. Give the game plan stuff a rest.

Philly 37
Skins 10

[ruxpin]

Originally Posted by KingButz

Our strength offensively is and will be the run with Clinton Portis. If we never lose that focus and the defense plays as they have all year, we will beat the Eagles.

Run with Portis, supplemented by Ramsey's passing. Not the other way around. If we do that, or the defense falters, then we'll lose.

Nah, you'll lose. Put it in the bank.

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Originally Posted by ruxpin

Nah, you'll lose. Put it in the bank.

Classic philly fan! 0 arguments.... 0 class....
Good riddance ruxpin.

Phillyphil is one of the few exceptions....

[PhillyPhil]

Originally Posted by LaVarTaylor28

You should have losed that game against the Vikings, that TO reception for a TD was completely ridiculous. With that said, I think the Eagles are a very good team, but are not in the same category as the Patriots or Colts IMO. They would not be for sure 11-1 in the AFC.

To say we should have lost to the Vikings is silly. That was not a catch by TO, but who's to say we wouldn't have scored on that drive anyway. Or take away 7pts, we still win by 4. We were the better team that night. Of course our record may not be as good in the AFC, but guess what were not in that conference. You can only beat the teams you play and that's what we've done. Give credit where it is do, no matter if you like the team or not. We could beat the Colts or the Pats, not saying we would be favored, but it would be a great game. PS LavarTAylor- to say Philly fans have no class is to say all Redskins fans are a bunch of dumb rednecks. Don't be so predudice.