Vision Quest: 'Washington should look to New England for their off season game plan'

PennSkinsFan · #1 02-08-2005, 01:02 PM

hR Staff Writer, Dustin, brings us an opinion on an off-season blueprint to success.

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smoak · #2 02-08-2005, 01:20 PM

Very interesting. I'd disagree with some of the points, but it was a great read.

flave1969 · #3 02-08-2005, 01:53 PM

Nice article Dustin. I am not sure it would be easy to establish the blueprint of the Pats in Washington, but the value of the draft is clear to see. For us to do profit we will have to stop trading away draft picks on an annual basis.

CNYSkinFan · #4 02-08-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by flave1969

Nice article Dustin. I am not sure it would be easy to establish the blueprint of the Pats in Washington, but the value of the draft is clear to see. For us to do profit we will have to stop trading away draft picks on an annual basis.

I am not sure we will have a choice. The irony is we may be forced to do it the right way the next couple of years because of our cap situation.

Cooley19 · #5 02-08-2005, 02:41 PM

Very nice article. The NFL is basically a copycat league so a lot of other teams will probably try to do what the Patriots have done.

techskinsfan · #6 02-08-2005, 02:52 PM

the patriots didnt draft rodney harrsion...and they didnt sign dillion...free agent risk they took that noone else would...and a trade for a disgruntled rb who was said to be a cancer...both gambles that worked out...the pats take more risks than people think...i dont believe that draft first is the way to build a team...u dont know who falls to u where...u can plan going into the draft on gettin someone...fill major holes in free agency smartly (ie center and wr) and draft and find rook free agents for the future (ie findin gilds and brown with smoot leaving)...i do agree that we put too much emphasis on free agent spending...but now we need to find a center in free agency im not comfortable with a rook at that position...draft a de to improve the dline possibly this year...more than likely next year...draft some oline depth for possible departures...draft a wr to challenge jacobs and mccants if hes around and incase coles toe forces him from the game...im just sayin that a draft heavy offseason plan is not the right way to go about it...spending intelligently and drafting for the future is...i do agree with cutting older players for hungrier younger players...that we draft now...so i guess our plans are somewhat similar...i just wouldnt mortgage my future on teh draft...great read though well done

skins111111 · #7 02-08-2005, 03:16 PM

another good article Dustin.......I believe we are already doing #!,#4, and #5
and will probably stick with #3......we look to be doing just the opposite with #2 but hey thats the blueprint for the pats and there are a lot other blueprints that have won SBs...........with JGs experience and integraty I am confident that his blueprint will work, he is very open minded and has no problem tweaking his blueprint.

Dexter72 · #8 02-08-2005, 03:17 PM

Here is how I see NE: They brought in a great defensive coach (Belichick) who was able to get the players he needed to emulate what he did with the Giants...a DL built to play the run with 3 physical 300+ pounders (Seymour, Warren, and Traylor/Ted Washington...in NY it was Burt, Marshall, and Howard) a set of 4 very good play-making LBs (McGinest, Bruschi, Vrabel, Ted Johnson, not to mention Colvin. In NY - LT, Pepper, Banks, and Carson) and a solid secondary that plays smart and doesn't take big gambles.

Offensively, the Pats have just been butt lucky. They found a gem in the 6th round in Brady and have been able to give him very solid pass protection with a bunch of no names (a 2nd rounder at LT, 2 undrafted free agents, a 5th rounder, and a 7th rounder). The only thing I can figure with the O Line is that they maybe smartly focused on bringing in athletic 300 pounders who can move their feet and pass protect well, as opposed to the 340+ pounders who can't, and seem to get the hype at draft time.

Skinz4lyfe · #9 02-08-2005, 05:17 PM

Smoot and Samuels needs to read #5. Smoot we love you in Redskin country but taking a decent contract offer (even if its less than what you believe you're worth) actually helps the team. If you wanna do your part in keeping our team together lets work together and get a deal done ($10 million signing bonus isn't bad at all). That goes for you too Mr.Samuels.

techskinsfan · #10 02-08-2005, 05:42 PM

would u accept a job that paid u less than u thought u were qualified for...thats bologna...if the skins were a winning team then i could see ur point...they havent been...and we dont have the reputation for keepin continuity and keepin players around...or being overly loyal to our players(now i think were loyal as fans but in the front office i have a feeling they have a rep of not being loyal...esp with the lavar thing and some of the cuts and such...purely speculation just a feeling) look at it as an employee of a company...more money and probably stability or less money less stability but the place u have played for a while and love the town n the town loves u...now yes i think he should do all he can to try to stay around...and i feel that the money is about right...but he and his agent may thinnk theyre gettin lowballed...i cant fault the guy...but id love to keep him around and want him to stay

CrimsonTribe · #11 02-08-2005, 06:12 PM

Might want to do some fact checking. Harrison was never a young player for the Pats. He was signed last year after 7 yrs in San Diego.

Skinz4lyfe · #12 02-08-2005, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by techskinsfan

would u accept a job that paid u less than u thought u were qualified for...thats bologna...if the skins were a winning team then i could see ur point...they havent been...and we dont have the reputation for keepin continuity and keepin players around...or being overly loyal to our players(now i think were loyal as fans but in the front office i have a feeling they have a rep of not being loyal...esp with the lavar thing and some of the cuts and such...purely speculation just a feeling) look at it as an employee of a company...more money and probably stability or less money less stability but the place u have played for a while and love the town n the town loves u...now yes i think he should do all he can to try to stay around...and i feel that the money is about right...but he and his agent may thinnk theyre gettin lowballed...i cant fault the guy...but id love to keep him around and want him to stay

That's not a fair argument to begin with. First of all, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that 99.9% of the posters on this board don't make as much as the average NFL player. So to say that I wouldn't take less than what I'm worth wouldn't necessarily apply in this case. However, not that its any of your business but I have taken less than what I'm worth for the benefit of my family! That's not bolongna! In negotiating you have to take everything into consideration and that's what I did in negotiating my salary at my job. I knew I'd get less but if it meant less commute time, more flexibility, more room for growth and increased job stability in my position then I'm all for it. Now with Smoot, if taking less means staying under our good defensive staff and becoming a better player and allowing other teammates to be resigned then I'm saying take a chance and do it. I'm saying sure things haven't turned out good in the past but this year things appear to be turning around. If Smoot wants to be a part of something special he needs to consider what's more important to him and I guess for him its more the money. Knowing the history that the Redskins have had in signing players I very seriously doubt that Smoot is being lowballed. However, I am sure that he probably could get more money elsewhere (Not a great deal more though). A similar case is Lawyer Malloy. They were coming off missing the playoffs the year before and he wouldn't take a pay cut. So now where is he? Stuck in Buffalo while his former teammates celebrate back-to-back championships.

RedskinsDave · #13 02-08-2005, 06:27 PM

We're too far along to become like the Patriots. We would have to scrap the whole deal now and start over and that's just not happening under Danny.

CNYSkinFan · #14 02-08-2005, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CrimsonTribe

Might want to do some fact checking. Harrison was never a young player for the Pats. He was signed last year after 7 yrs in San Diego.

You are right. I rushed the article to get it out. I made a mistake on Harrison and should of said Dillon was a trade and not a Free Agent signing. I mis spoke on those items in the article. I will endeavor not to do it again.

As for the rest I still stand by it. I don't think we have to do too much to start doing what the Patriots do. And I don't think we have a choice. Large batches of free agents will not be coming our way for at least three years. We can't afford them. Build depth and young hungry stars through the draft and sign limited but key free agents.

Also say goodbye to under performing and over expensive vets. This does directly apply to Samuels and possibly Smoot. If Samuels does not restructure and Smoot does not drop his demands then we have to let them both go. If Pierce wants to hold out for too much then let Williams find a replacement middle linebacker.

We are not far away from doing what the Pats do. We just have to make some hard choices this year and keep our draft picks.

Jimreaper007 · #15 02-08-2005, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

We're too far along to become like the Patriots. We would have to scrap the whole deal now and start over and that's just not happening under Danny.

I agree with Dave,

If we want to be like the pats we are gonna have to trade off all our stars for picks and experience some very lean years.