New NBA CBA news. Good news for age limit supporters.

CarMike · #1 05-11-2005, 03:35 PM

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From realGM.com.. This is what the new NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement is looking like so far. Looks like the only issue still keeping this from being put into effect is the disagreement on year to year raises.

Roster Space
- 14 player minimum from 11 player minimum
- 15 player maximum (includes players on IR) stays the same

Trade Rules
- 125% difference in player salaries from a previous of 115% + $100K

NBA Minor League
- NBDL has 8 teams and will have anywhere from 2-3 teams sharing in 2005-2006.
- NBDL expands to 15 teams for 2006 – 2007 season with two NBA teams sharing one NBDL team
- Players under contract by a team, with 3 years or less in the NBA can be sent to the NBDL
- Veterans can not be sent down to NBDL (more than 3 years experience)
- Players drafted in the first round will retain their rookie contract scale while playing in the NBDL
- NBA teams retain full rights of their players and call the player up at anytime in the season.
- NBA teams will have an assistant coach on the NBDL team to monitor the development of their players

Age Limit – 20 yrs or older
- High School players – 2 years after their H.S. graduating class
- International players – 20 years or older
- Effective 2006 NBA Draft

Older NBA veterans like it because it will help some of them keep their jobs longer instead of getting pushed out by the younger players. NBA teams like it because it gives the H.S. players time to develop and make a name for them while in college, which helps with the marketing of the players when they come into the league.

Rookie Pay Scale and Contract
- Pay Scale remains in place with small increases in rookie salaries
- 3rd & 4th years of the contracts are team options

Currently, only the 4th year is a team option

Guarantee Contracts - Length
- 5 yrs – resigning with existing team
- 4 yrs - signing with a new team
- Effective July 1, 2005

The old contract was 7 years for resigning with existing team or 6 years with a new team.

Raises
Undecided – players want to keep the existing raises in place, owners want a change
- Resign with existing team (players 12.5% vs. owners 5%), probably changed to 9%
- Sign with a new team (players 10% vs. owners 4%), probably changed to 7%

The old raise system far outpaces the average raises of the salary cap of 3%.

ShaggySkins · #2 05-11-2005, 03:46 PM

BOOOOO

Two things I really don't like.

1st being guarenteed contracts, I understand the idea that players need protection aganist injury. My main concern is this year more then ever you saw players taking advantage of being guarenteed money and therefore refusing to report to their teams. Jim Jackson and Alonzo Mourning both come immediatley to mind as guys that refused to report and forced there trade or release. The GMs need to have a way to make sure players are not able to do that.

2nd I just don't agree with an age limit. At the age of 18 you should be able to enter the draft if you want. What happens to the players that don't have the academics to get into college (JR Smith and Robert Swift last year)?

MoeRedskins · #3 05-11-2005, 03:56 PM

I like it, the age limit will let guys develop in college and teams won't waste a high draft pick on a project player. What I don't get in the D league, who is going to control the teams and make sure that their guys are getting enough time to develop. If one team sends down a guy to the D, does the other team lose a roster spot because of it? They will need to clearify that I think.

CarMike · #4 05-11-2005, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaggySkins

What happens to the players that don't have the academics to get into college (JR Smith and Robert Swift last year)?

JR Smith was good to go to UNC. His grades were good enough. It was the high school allstar games that changed his mind.

I like the age/year limit. It'll make the NBA so much better to watch.

Minnesota Mike · #5 05-11-2005, 06:14 PM

First of all, I don't like basketball, college or pro, so maybe I shouldn't post anything (and some people might agree after they read what I post).

I think the age limit is silly. If a person is 18, they should be able to have a fulltime job, even if that fulltime job is "NBA player". Forcing people to go to college is about the stupidest thing I can think of. Not everybody belongs in college. College is supposed to prepare you for other things. If you are already ready for those other things, then it is just silly to have an age requirement keep you from them.

ShaggySkins · #6 05-11-2005, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CarMike

JR Smith was good to go to UNC. His grades were good enough. It was the high school allstar games that changed his mind.

I like the age/year limit. It'll make the NBA so much better to watch.

I thought it was academics with Smith? Oh well I know it was academics with Swift. Do you really think the NBA will be better to watch??? The most exciting players in the league are guys who came out of HS (Kobe, Garnett, TMac, Lebron). Also now you are going to have older veterans hanging around even longer then before meaning you'll see a more slowed down pace with guys like Mutombo and Malone hanging around even longer past their prime.

CarMike · #7 05-11-2005, 07:12 PM

I agree that some guys are ready. But what about the others who fail? What do they have to fall back on? Not saying that the guys who go to college actually finish college. But atleast they're getting themselves better.

I also think that the vet players will like this. This allows them to stay in the league for a little while longer.

I can see both sides of the argument. As for the guys who aren't able to get into college, I believe will be able to go to the NBA "minor leagues" system. I think its called the NBDA. I think they will get paid something.

IMO, the NBA is watered down with too many potential players whether than NBA ready players....

CarMike · #8 05-11-2005, 07:15 PM

Shaggy, one more thing....I'm more of a fan of the college game. So I guess my reasoning could be considered biased toward the College game. I can just imagine some of the games that we missed out on when the Garnetts, Kobies, O'neals, and such went straight to the league.....

BurgundyNGold · #9 05-11-2005, 07:17 PM

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NBA Minor League
- NBDL has 8 teams and will have anywhere from 2-3 teams sharing in 2005-2006.
- NBDL expands to 15 teams for 2006 – 2007 season with two NBA teams sharing one NBDL team
- Players under contract by a team, with 3 years or less in the NBA can be sent to the NBDL
- Veterans can not be sent down to NBDL (more than 3 years experience)
- Players drafted in the first round will retain their rookie contract scale while playing in the NBDL
- NBA teams retain full rights of their players and call the player up at anytime in the season.
- NBA teams will have an assistant coach on the NBDL team to monitor the development of their players

IMO, this is what the NFL should (will) do eventually. Minor league NFL in the spring and major league in the fall. Year round football baby!

lakeskin · #10 05-11-2005, 07:54 PM

This age limit is great for the NBA and great for college. In short its great for basketball. The NBA game has waned ever since this influx of High school ballers have invaded the league. Every year there are rule changes cuz these guys dont know how to play. They cant move without the ball, they take poor shots, they cant play in a system, and they only pass when it behooves their stats.

And watching an old Karl Malone last year was great for me. He became my favorite laker cuz he didnt care about his numbers or his pub; he just cared about winning. Too many of these young guys dont realize thats its all about winning and too many of them dont understand what it takes to win.

ShaggySkins · #11 05-11-2005, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CarMike

I agree that some guys are ready. But what about the others who fail? What do they have to fall back on? Not saying that the guys who go to college actually finish college. But atleast they're getting themselves better.

I also think that the vet players will like this. This allows them to stay in the league for a little while longer.

I can see both sides of the argument. As for the guys who aren't able to get into college, I believe will be able to go to the NBA "minor leagues" system. I think its called the NBDA. I think they will get paid something.

IMO, the NBA is watered down with too many potential players whether than NBA ready players....

I understand what your saying but do you really think these kids are going to come out of college anymore prepared? We need to be honest and address the fact that College currently serves as the minor league for the NBA. The guys who would normally declare for the draft after HS aren't going to go to college with the intention of graduating with a degree but with the idea of being forced to play there for 2 years and leaving. I don't agree with the fact that these kids can be kept out of the NBA when many of them come from families which are financially strapped. These players like Sebastian Telfair (wanted to go to college but family was in a bad area) have the oppurtunity to move there families out of a very bad situation. Also I would not be shocked at all to see more players head overseas to play in Europe. European basketball does pay fairly well at the upper levels so I am not certain you will be seeing those great college matchups you dream of. I would not put it out of the realm of possibility for a Euro team to throw money at some of these top HS players to come overseas and make their money.

ryflan47 · #12 05-11-2005, 10:37 PM

Sorry to disappoint folks, I will not be playing in the NBA until 2009.

fent · #13 05-11-2005, 10:49 PM

i think the age limit is a good rule. the NFL has it and i think we all know they're much better off for it. of all the names that were listed, only lebron had an impact early. by keeping them in college to develop, NBA teams are able to put that money into other areas of the team which will help immediately rather than 4 years down the road and let their bodies and skills develop to a point that they can compete with the shaqs and iversons of the world.

LadyNRedskinsfan · #14 05-12-2005, 12:05 AM

i love the age limit enforcement rule. like others have mentioned, it will be best for both college and pro basketball. college basketball will be able to showcase the more talented players who skipped to go to the NBA and the NBA will receive players who will hopefully be more mature and better prepared for the pro level. shaggy brought up some of the more successful players who jumped from high school to the pros, but there are twice as many high schoolers who have failed in the pros than those who have succeeded.

DUCKIN_TACKLERS · #15 05-12-2005, 01:08 AM

I like this alot I have hated College Basketball lately. I always find myself wishing a Lebron or Amare would have played a couple years. In the NCAA more than the pros 1 player can mean success to a program and to watch studs like these in College would be way more exciting to me as a fan then watching them develop in the pros(althought the 2 above are probably the exception to developing)