Cheney in 08?

[akhhorus]

If he does run, its handing a gift to the Dems. Cheney doesn't have the charm that Bush does.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1000920885

Woodward Calls Cheney a 'Serious' Dark Horse for 2008 Run for White House

By E&P Staff

Published: May 15, 2005 11:50 PM ET
NEW YORK A trial balloon for a Cheney for President run in 2008 is being launched by a surprising source, Washington Post star reporter (and White House insider) Bob Woodward.

Appearing on Chris Matthews' NBC talk show on Sunday, Woodward labeled Vice President Cheney “a serious dark horse candidate.” He said that with "a number of people" going for the GOP nomination, “a guy named George Bush might come out and say ‘What about Dick?’"

Woodward observed that "there's a serious vacuum right now," with Senators Frist, Brownback, and Allen leading the field, some say.

There may be a precedent for this. Cheney, who was put in charge of finding a suitable VP candidate in 2000, ended up getting the nod himself.

[RedskinsDave]

Woodward is smoking crack.

[redskin_rich]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

If he does run, its handing a gift to the Dems. Cheney doesn't have the charm that Bush does.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1000920885

Woodward Calls Cheney a 'Serious' Dark Horse for 2008 Run for White House

By E&P Staff

Published: May 15, 2005 11:50 PM ET
NEW YORK A trial balloon for a Cheney for President run in 2008 is being launched by a surprising source, Washington Post star reporter (and White House insider) Bob Woodward.

Appearing on Chris Matthews' NBC talk show on Sunday, Woodward labeled Vice President Cheney “a serious dark horse candidate.” He said that with "a number of people" going for the GOP nomination, “a guy named George Bush might come out and say ‘What about Dick?’"

Woodward observed that "there's a serious vacuum right now," with Senators Frist, Brownback, and Allen leading the field, some say.

There may be a precedent for this. Cheney, who was put in charge of finding a suitable VP candidate in 2000, ended up getting the nod himself.

haha, sorry but I found that funny.

I think it is a possibility, Cheney would be a year younger than Reagan was for his first term. I'm not sure it would cost the Rep's the election. What Bush supporter wouldn't vote for Cheney?

[C-7]

Originally Posted by RedskinsDave

Woodward is smoking crack.

Don't you mean Bush?

[KMDeMuth]

wont happen, contrary to popular belief...cheney isnt a liar. He said he "has no aspirations to run for a higher office and would rather not gain the office in general."

my prediction....

08 = mccain and giuliani ticket

and in the next senate race (half a year) in NY state, powell will run and defeat incumbant hillary clinton. (this is the big picture as to why he only stayed for 1 term, higher ambition) Thus dashing her illusion of runing for president by default. No present or "popular" challenger has a chance of beating a mccain/giuliani ticket.


we'll see....we'll see. this would make a good poll, put 5 popular republicans and 5 democrats (if you can think of that many) in a poll and lets see who the frequent visitors would vote for.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by KMDeMuth

wont happen, contrary to popular belief...cheney isnt a liar. He said he "has no aspirations to run for a higher office and would rather not gain the office in general."

my prediction....

08 = mccain and giuliani ticket

They would win easily, but there is no way that these two, together or seperate are the national ticket for the Reps. Far too liberal for the religious right.

Originally Posted by KMDeMuth

and in the next senate race (half a year) in NY state, powell will run and defeat incumbant hillary clinton. (this is the big picture as to why he only stayed for 1 term, higher ambition) Thus dashing her illusion of runing for president by default. No present or "popular" challenger has a chance of beating a mccain/giuliani ticket.

I seriously doubt Powell would run for anything, his wife has prevented him from running for seats in the past, and there are no indications that will change. Would he win? Probably, but the Iraq war runup would be a big attack on him. And Hillary is the loudest candidate for the Dems, but I don't think she's the real front runner. Warner and Easley are probably much more likely to win the nomination.

[CNYSkinFan]

Originally Posted by KMDeMuth

wont happen, contrary to popular belief...cheney isnt a liar. He said he "has no aspirations to run for a higher office and would rather not gain the office in general."

my prediction....

08 = mccain and giuliani ticket

and in the next senate race (half a year) in NY state, powell will run and defeat incumbant hillary clinton. (this is the big picture as to why he only stayed for 1 term, higher ambition) Thus dashing her illusion of runing for president by default. No present or "popular" challenger has a chance of beating a mccain/giuliani ticket.


we'll see....we'll see. this would make a good poll, put 5 popular republicans and 5 democrats (if you can think of that many) in a poll and lets see who the frequent visitors would vote for.

I live in NY and Hillary is unbeatable. As much as the right hates her outside of NY she is a good Senator. Her approval ratings are great and no big name Republicans are stepping to the plate to take her on. The state is 5:3 democrat and swinging more that way. Gov. Pataki is a republican in his third term however the magic is wearing off and his approvals are in the low 30's.

As far as the GOP, notice how in the pocket Frist has become of the Christian right. He may be the partie's nominee in '08 because of it. McCain and Guiliani did alot of sucking up to W this last time but not enough. The right hates them almost as much as any Democrat. Unless the GOP turns away from the Christina right they will never nominate McCain, Guiliani or any other pro-choice Republican.

The best hope for a Pro-choice Republican president is on the West Wing this fall with Alan Alda.

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

They would win easily, but there is no way that these two, together or seperate are the national ticket for the Reps. Far too liberal for the religious right.

Exactly. Traditionally, the Dems or Reps put forward a more centrist ticket when they've gone too far to the extreme and have not shot of winning by simply appeasing their base. There is NO justification for this in 2008 for the Reps unless they totally get shellacked in the midterm elections next year. Even then, I don't see that happening.

Originally Posted by akhhorus

I seriously doubt Powell would run for anything, his wife has prevented him from running for seats in the past, and there are no indications that will change. Would he win? Probably, but the Iraq war runup would be a big attack on him. And Hillary is the loudest candidate for the Dems, but I don't think she's the real front runner. Warner and Easley are probably much more likely to win the nomination.

Powell would get 70% of the vote, with only the extremes voting for someone else. I think he would be great. Imagine that: character in the White House.

Hillary is like Dean, a rice cake candidate. She's great in theory and the Dems darling while she's on the shelf. But when it comes down to it, the left can't will her to win and her chances of winning are mostly air.

As for Cheney? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! What not just put "Antichrist" on the ballot?

[Spence]

Originally Posted by KMDeMuth

my prediction....

08 = mccain and giuliani ticket

and in the next senate race (half a year) in NY state, powell will run and defeat incumbant hillary clinton. (this is the big picture as to why he only stayed for 1 term, higher ambition) Thus dashing her illusion of runing for president by default. No present or "popular" challenger has a chance of beating a mccain/giuliani ticket.

I was getting a big laugh out of this post until it dawned on me that you might be serious. In case you are, I have a proposition. I'll make a deal with you. If either of those things happen, I'll donate $1000 to the charity of your choice. If neither happens, you donate $1000 to the charity of my choice.

[KMDeMuth]

Originally Posted by Spence

I was getting a big laugh out of this post until it dawned on me that you might be serious. In case you are, I have a proposition. I'll make a deal with you. If either of those things happen, I'll donate $1000 to the charity of your choice. If neither happens, you donate $1000 to the charity of my choice.

i dont bet unless its poker. and i figured most ppl on here would find amusement out of it, my prediction on it. wishfull thinking maybe, but i think there is a good chance mccain runs and a good chance he gets the nod to run on a republican ticket (yes even with the conservative *christian* right).

with powell i get mixed reviews about, more people i have talked to from ny have said he would beat hillary "if" he ran, then not. From what rumors ive heard (can allways be wrong, its the nature of it) there is a good chance of it.

so...

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by KMDeMuth

i dont bet unless its poker. and i figured most ppl on here would find amusement out of it, my prediction on it. wishfull thinking maybe, but i think there is a good chance mccain runs and a good chance he gets the nod to run on a republican ticket (yes even with the conservative *christian* right).

McCain might run, but no way he gets the nomination. I'll get the GOP nomination before McCain does.

Originally Posted by KMDeMuth

with powell i get mixed reviews about, more people i have talked to from ny have said he would beat hillary "if" he ran, then not. From what rumors ive heard (can allways be wrong, its the nature of it) there is a good chance of it.

so...

Powell's been mentioned for every high profile GOP spot, but he never makes even the slightest move towards running for any office. If he was going to run, he would have run in 2000 as President. I dont see him going for a Junior Senate Seat. I haven't heard even the slightest whisper of him running for anything.

[KMDeMuth]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

McCain might run, but no way he gets the nomination. I'll get the GOP nomination before McCain does.

*shrugs* right now its just opinion on either side on who is or is not runing. and who would or would not be a front runner. i'd consider him a front runner and am sure he will attempt it. So i dont put it past him

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Powell's been mentioned for every high profile GOP spot, but he never makes even the slightest move towards running for any office. If he was going to run, he would have run in 2000 as President. I dont see him going for a Junior Senate Seat. I haven't heard even the slightest whisper of him running for anything.

true powell has been mentioned for "every high profile GOP spot", but in this case he has mentioned it. I'll have to find the quotes given by a ny rep. and a friend of powell and quotes from powell hinting towards it. Better odds it happens then doesnt. Other people thought possible to run for hillarys spot = present ny gov. pataki and giuliani. all have expressed some level of interest in the position. powell has also jokingly expressed interest in some rule in the UN, didnt elaborate on it.

[Ibleedburgundy]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

If he does run, its handing a gift to the Dems. Cheney doesn't have the charm that Bush does.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1000920885

Woodward Calls Cheney a 'Serious' Dark Horse for 2008 Run for White House

By E&P Staff

Published: May 15, 2005 11:50 PM ET
NEW YORK A trial balloon for a Cheney for President run in 2008 is being launched by a surprising source, Washington Post star reporter (and White House insider) Bob Woodward.

Appearing on Chris Matthews' NBC talk show on Sunday, Woodward labeled Vice President Cheney “a serious dark horse candidate.” He said that with "a number of people" going for the GOP nomination, “a guy named George Bush might come out and say ‘What about Dick?’"

Woodward observed that "there's a serious vacuum right now," with Senators Frist, Brownback, and Allen leading the field, some say.

There may be a precedent for this. Cheney, who was put in charge of finding a suitable VP candidate in 2000, ended up getting the nod himself.

Sorry if it seems like I always disagree with you (I was telling you that Ramsey HAS shown flashes) but you might be misunderestimating the Vice President here. You see, he's already got 8 years experience controlling the Presidency, why not make it 16? Seriously though, John Edwards was my choice for the Democratic nomination but I can admit, Dick Cheney absolutely destroyed him in the VP debates. Cheney established dominance in the first two minutes by shredding Edward's credentials in Military matters, and thus he won the most critical issue of the debate: the war in Iraq. Edwards did redeem himself in the second half with his vast knowledge of the healthcare system, but it was too little, too late for your average attention-spanned American.

Cheney is a bulldog, a mastermind, and above all, he is an entrenched and respected Republican. Perhaps you can make th argument that there is a section that voted for Bush Jr. but would not support Cheney. Personally, I don't know who those people would be. Republicans are marching lock-step. Only a centrist Dem could funnel those votes away (explains why Hillary has taken a half-step to the right lately, but Mark Warner is the real deal). Cheney is formidable.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Ibleedburgandy

Sorry if it seems like I always disagree with you (I was telling you that Ramsey HAS shown flashes) but you might be misunderestimating the Vice President here. You see, he's already got 8 years experience controlling the Presidency, why not make it 16? Seriously though, John Edwards was my choice for the Democratic nomination but I can admit, Dick Cheney absolutely destroyed him in the VP debates. Cheney established dominance in the first two minutes by shredding Edward's credentials in Military matters, and thus he won the most critical issue of the debate: the war in Iraq. Edwards did redeem himself in the second half with his vast knowledge of the healthcare system, but it was too little, too late for your average attention-spanned American.

Cheney is a bulldog, a mastermind, and above all, he is an entrenched and respected Republican. Perhaps you can make th argument that there is a section that voted for Bush Jr. but would not support Cheney. Personally, I don't know who those people would be. Republicans are marching lock-step. Only a centrist Dem could funnel those votes away (explains why Hillary has taken a half-step to the right lately, but Mark Warner is the real deal). Cheney is formidable.

Cheney is a Republican war horse. But he doesn't have the natural charm and humanity you need to run for President successfully. Bush and Clinton had it. Cheney looks like he's sizing you up in case you pull a machete on him. And running him would lose the moderate vote for the GOP--he had, and still has fairly bad ratings--worse than Bush's lowest point. No party marches in lock step, and running a Cheney/Romney or Cheney/Frist ticket basically guarantees that the Dems will win, unless they run Gore or an ultra liberal. Now, I can see the GOp running Cheney if they keep control of the House and Senate after 06, figuring that there isn't a great or obvious candidate out there for 08, worse case is that the Dems win the White House, but the GOp keeps control of Congress and you groom someone for 2012. I think if Hillary teamed with someone like Bill Nelson or a moderate heartland Dem, she would beat Cheney. Warner would destroy Cheney in an election. Easley would also probably beat Cheney easily.

I believe if Cheney actually runs, its because none of the usual suspects mentioned for the GOp to run in 08 are ready for prime time. And none of them are. If Bill Frist and Mitt Romney are still the presumptive front runners by 07, you might as well run Cheney, concentrate on keeping Congress and work for 2012.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by KMDeMuth

*shrugs* right now its just opinion on either side on who is or is not runing. and who would or would not be a front runner. i'd consider him a front runner and am sure he will attempt it. So i dont put it past him.

Oh, he'll run, but he's far too liberal for the Religious Right and too much of a maverick for the old line GOPers to accept. Running him would guarantee a victory, but he's as likely to appoint Dems to his cabinet as Reps. And he would alienate the Religious right with his policies.