My thoughts on the game!! [Merged]

[BigCountry]

Maybe Brunnell is the universe's way of compensating us for Rich Gannon. Kind of a similar story excluding the fact that Brunnell has already been a star.

[Biggie]

Originally Posted by inevitable

Yeah, I believe Theismann said he looked like he was throwing a javelin. I found that assement to be quite accurate.

And that touch on the throw to the tight end, Baber, was really nice, and had that been Cooley, I think it would have been a completion. Also, the rocket he zinged at Jamin Elliot was really sweet. I feel a first stringer would've caught that. Finally, that deep out to Antonio Brown was perfectly delivered. Had AB turned the other way, instead of going out of bounds, he could've got 6 with his speed and moves.

I'm going to say it: Those three straight drops lost us the game. What makes it worse is that they were to practice squad players who are supposed to be fighting for a spot, and I believe the three of them should be cut tomorrow morning. You can't lose your team a game like that, period.

As for Ramsey/Brunell, I do think Brunell should get a chance to play against first-stringers. After all, it's not physical ability or throw power that's making the difference between these two. In the end, it all comes down to two words.

DECISION MAKING

Ramsey just can't make good throws. That throw in the end zone screamed interception, and he can't expect Thrash to out-jump a reciever like that. Plus, some of those throws he made in the open field weren't actually that good, but thanks to good effort by the wideouts, they were completed. There's a reason he threw all those incompletions early on: The guy can't make the quick, accurate decisions that a quarterback needs to make. He has the O-line, he has great running backs and solid recieving options to turn to, and he just needs to learn how to put it all together. If he could do that, he would be great.

I was really happy with the O-line, not because of what I saw, but because of what I didn't see. I didn't see any major pressure on the quarterbacks. I saw a beatifully clear backfield with whoever had the ball getting all day to do something with it. I love our offensive line, and I think they'll be the bright spot of the offense this year. Just watch.

Nemo has run his way into a roster spot. Fumble or not, the guy is the power runner we never had. Poor Rock (although I seriously wish both he and Nemo could stay) is a tough, hard-working player with power, just no size. Nemo gives us all of that and the force to punch it in. I want him running us into the end zone all season.

The defense is great. Just... great. Palmer was 2-for-9 and with a pick against our starters, and if we had Arrington playing, it might have been even better for us. Rodgers needs to build up his lungs and stamina while he comes back from his injury, and once he does that, we have ourselves a future Pro Bowl corner.

Well, the quarterback issue is what it comes down to. If somebody can take over and just control and command this offense (not even necessarily be a great passer) we could be in the top third of the league, and God knows our defense will play lights out with a proper ball control offense keeping them fresh.

[CapitalDefense]

Ramsey did much better in this game but i think the timing between recievers and the QB is still off.

Brunell seems to have his timing down with Jamin Elliott, who, and Robert Johnson who was just signed last week. Besides they have only been working together since March with mini camps and 5000 OTA's.

[inevitable]

Excellent post BigGamer, really summarizes my thoughts on the game, and our current situation as well.

Originally Posted by chrisbcbu

Ramsey is still inconsistant. 1 great play followed by 1 awful play. He gets ur hopes up then ripes out ur heart on the next. Missed some open receivers and was able to thread the needle on some other throws. It looks like he may have something with Patten.

Patten can get some seperation against the 2nd CB. He is going to cause some mismatches against the defenses! Im looking forward to see this guy in the regular season.

Moss is fast as can be, and able to break some tackles. i didnt think he would be able to but that guy can fly.

The Starting OL is going to be a menace. They have no weak spot on teh 1st string. They will be a force to be reckoned with. FINALLY!!

Brunell has shown his skills against the 2nd and 3rd string defenses and he is lighting them up. His stats arent that good because his receivers had 4-5 easy drops. He has the touch and the arm strength to get it done. i would really like to see him against some first stringers.

The 1st string defense is going to be a force. Marcus Washington is going to have a monster year. He was in almost every tackle or pass deflection when he was in the game.

Rogers is going to be a stud CB. once he gets his stamina up to par, he will be a standout player on this team. As long as our 3 starting CB stay healthy we will have no worries there.

Wilds, well he probably had the one of the worst showings this game. 4 completions in a row including a TD against him. His stock dropped on this game.

Im not worried about our safeties at all. All of those guys can play.

Im really disappointed that Campbell didnt play.

Thanks for a refreshing analysis!!! This suffices for me because of my lack of availability and of course sparodic appearances here, signing off, back on, so this helps me to match my thoughts and yours is just the type of synopsis I needed.

I think you go one more game with Ramsey to justify all the mess he may or may not be in. If he still stays shaky like a new born calf, then Joe Gibbs and Graves willl have to sit down with Ramsey and ask. After three live fires, what's up Patrick?

Other than that, if he comes through ok, take him to task in the Baltimore game, the tuneup in the 1st QTR with Lewis, Reed, Suggs, Sanders and all will wake him up quick.

[sdredskinsfan]

I'll bet you that Gibbs could accept mediocre passes from Ramsey as long as he doesn't make too many turnovers. But, Ramsey can't even manage that right now. Gibbs might let Brunell try it with the first-stringers, but his real decision comes opening day. Hopefully Ramsey is solid the next couple of pre-season games. If not, if Gibbs plays him the first few games of the season, he would be risking the entire season. This will be interesting.

Originally Posted by sdredskinsfan

I'll bet you that Gibbs could accept mediocre passes from Ramsey as long as he doesn't make too many turnovers. But, Ramsey can't even manage that right now. Gibbs might let Brunell try it with the first-stringers, but his real decision comes opening day. Hopefully Ramsey is solid the next couple of pre-season games. If not, if Gibbs plays him the first few games of the season, he would be risking the entire season. This will be interesting.

I stick with Pat for at least the look in the Baltimore game, If MB comes through even better against Pittsburgh and Baltimore's second string, and quite a few first stringers, I lean with MB, should Patrick keep leaving doubt. Indecision breads indecision and JG can' afford not making one BEFORE the end of the Baltimore game.

[DUCKIN_TACKLERS]

OKAY...WHY ARE WE DOING THIS...People havent we learned from last year you cant make any real decison on our Offense until the Regular Season. The offense is so different then. Lets not over react and throw away the season Just yet. Has Ramsey looked bad in Preseason. YES but did he look good at the end of last year YES. Im just Stoked that the QB play all around looks better. But lets wait until Clinton is toting the Rock and the Bullets are real before we alienate the Starting QB. Id hate to hear BOOS at the Bears game lets all Just Cheer on Whoever Gibbs Goes with.

[X-Factor13]

does anyone else think it is fairly sad how our hate for mark brunell has instantly turned to relief that we have him? I remember that someone had a sig talking about how trading for brunell was the dumbest trade ever and it had this thing in it ... doesn't look so silly now i guess.

it's amazing how this type of thing always comes back to bite us in the butt.

[BigCountry]

Originally Posted by DUCKIN_TACKLERS

OKAY...WHY ARE WE DOING THIS...People havent we learned from last year you cant make any real decison on our Offense until the Regular Season. The offense is so different then. Lets not over react and throw away the season Just yet. Has Ramsey looked bad in Preseason. YES but did he look good at the end of last year YES. Im just Stoked that the QB play all around looks better. But lets wait until Clinton is toting the Rock and the Bullets are real before we alienate the Starting QB. Id hate to hear BOOS at the Bears game lets all Just Cheer on Whoever Gibbs Goes with.

Yeah last year's offense scored points in the preseason...

[SkinsKY]

Big Gamer,

I disagree with your assessment of Ramsey. It wasn't his decision making that caused those interceptions. I think the decision to throw both of those balls was fine. It was his placement of those passes that was the problem. Had he thrown higher to Thrash, James had no play on it and it was either incomplete or a TD. No problem there. Had he settled his momentum on the second throw, the ball wouldn't have carried as much and there wouldn't have been a pick there. I thought Ramsey's decisions came much faster than I've ever seen him and the ball was out quickly. I liked that. He looked confident and wasn't afraid to throw. That's a big hurdle. We have a few more weeks to settle him a little. He had over 10yds a pass attempt. TEN YARDS PER PASS ATTEMPT!! I haven't seen a stat like that in a while from a Redskins QB. A couple of bad throws, but a slew of nice ones, so I'm not bailing on the kid just yet.

My take on Brunell:
I thought he played quite well for the most part. His passes were laser tight and that was a welcome sight. He was accurate, which is something he was known for, until last year. That's great. This is my concern (and I didn't see all of the second half so I might have missed something): When the pressure came, I could see him get rattled a bit. On one play, he started getting his happy feet again, but settled it down again and made a throw. It almost cost him. The second thing came on his sack. Yes the line got blown up that play, but he pump faked and pulled it down and instead of scrambling to his left, which was pretty open, he dropped further back and took a sack.

From both QBs I need to see a little more, but I feel much better about this year's situation than last year's.

[redskin_rich]

I just got home from the game and I must admit that Ramsey's play left me disheartened. Sure, he made some nice passes to wide open recievers but the 2 interceptions were inexcusable. In both cases he threw into heavy coverage and to make matters worse he floated the passes. One was in the red zone and the other was darn close, in both situations he should have thrown the ball away.

I have been supportive of Ramsey but after watching him play tonight and seeing the field, I have to say that he can't read a defense (even a simple preseason one) and I have lost my faith in him.

I didn't expect him to be great, all he has to do is not make stupid mistakes, yet he seems incapeable of even doing that.

Rant over, we have a good team on the other fronts but I am worried about our QB.

I don't know why we are wasting game play with Brunell, we know what he can do. I wish Jason Campbell would/could play more, as I feel he could do better than the others.

[silverspring]

-antonio brown seemed to play great ST and WR except for that recovered fumble

-All our 1st string WRs are getting seperation and making plays

-Nemo and Rock both played great, decisions to come

-Marcus Washington

-But most of all I think we should all be thanking our lucky stars because we played our first string offense, particularly the line, way more than you traditionally would and we got NO INJURIES. This was a huge risk, but it will pay off. All those reps those guys are getting in a game situation has to be invaluable.

[SonnyandSam]

I agree with a lot of what you posted Rich. I also have been a Ramsey supporter and felt with time he would step up and be a leader. He simply is either making poor decisions or simply making very bad passes that hurt his team.

The first interception was a good decision that was poorly executed. If properly thrown to the the back of the end zone, only Thrash would have had the opportunity to catch ball. But again, he throws the ball short and into the hands of the corner. The second interception should never have been thrown.

Even his completions were ordinary or inexcusable. He threaded a ball to Moss who was double covered. Yes, Moss caught the ball but it should have never been thrown his way. In other cases, like the TD pass or the couple of passes to Patten, they were wide open and any average quarterback should/would make those passes.

Ramsey was better than last week but is still far to inconsistent to give him the starting job. Brunell needs to be given the opportunity.

I think Gibbs should start Ramsey against the Steelers and alternate the two for the game....deep into the second half.

As for my impressions of the rest of the team....

The offensive line looked awesome! They abused the Bungles defensive line; whether on running plays or pass protection. Dockery led a sweep to the right where he pancaked TWO defensive linemen to get Betts free around the corner. Rabach was solid in the middle. Twice I saw Samuels literally run over his guy on running plays pushing him back 5-6 yards.

Rock and Nemo played very well. Nemo did fumble the ball on the final drive but that should not keep him off the team. The guy is a beast running over players; not once but several times. And Rock had a second great game, running and receiving. I'd keep both these guys before keeping White who was generally a no-show for the second game. And let's not forget about Betts. He had a very good game in the limited amount of time he was in.


Receivers....Patten was phenomenal. Not only did he get separation but he made smart plays along the side line by keeping his feet in bounds. Very impressive day for him. Moss was OK. Could see his speed but nothing impressive today. Thrash played in the slot and did well getting open. If Ramsey had been a little more on target James would have had a better day. Brown ran some nice routes but also dropped a few. His returns were average; maybe slightly better. Still would like to see him break one.

The defensive line didn't look shabby either. I haven't seen many posts about them. But the run defense looked very stout in the first period with the starters. A few problems running wide but that really is the linebackers primary jobs. Pass rush was OK. Most of the pressure was coming from cornerbacks and linebackers on blitz'

Marcus Washington.....Damn....he can play. With LaVar on the other side, we have a hell of a pursuit team. Marshall and Smith did OK inside....no major impressions. I would give a slight edge to Marshall. He was a little quicker and better in pass defense. McCune showed a lot of speed for the Mike. Made a couple tackles on each sideline. Didn't observe much in the middle, though

Springs played well for the short period he was in. Ade "Toast" Jimoh didn't get burned for a change. Even made some nice plays on some short passes. Rogers did not impress me. The interception was thrown right to him. He did not have to move. Got burned badly twice in a row on fly patterns. Receiver dropped the first but caught the second for a TD. He got beat a couple other times, too. To his credit he did make some nice plays and was in on some tackles. Should have had two sacks on the QB but misplayed both. Taylor was beaten badly again but was saved by a poor Carson Palmer pass. Speaking of this guy, Palmer was less impressive than Ramsey. All the talking heads are saying how this will be Palmer's breakout year to be a great QB. He sucked. He ran a few balls but his passes were off target and ill conceived most of the time.

Stoutmire made some nice tackles at safety, also.

Best part of the night were my new seats. Row 5 is awesome baby. I LOVE THE VIEW from there.

Later folks...time for bed...