Portis: Talent or system

dukeuch · #1 08-24-2005, 12:44 PM

Anyone notice how Ron Dayne is tearing it up for the Broncos? Admittedly it is only per-season, but does this give any credence to the notion that Portis will never return to the lofty heights he attained in Denver?

akhhorus · #2 08-24-2005, 12:46 PM

Dayne is doing this against the scrubs in the late 3rd-4th quarters, and Portis is the only Denver Rb to leave and have 1000 yards so far. Droughns might not even start for the Browns. Its talent with him.

IowaSkinsFan · #3 08-24-2005, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dukeuch

Anyone notice how Ron Dayne is tearing it up for the Broncos? Admittedly it is only per-season, but does this give any credence to the notion that Portis will never return to the lofty heights he attained in Denver?

Didn't Dayne tear it up last preseason also?

Judgements should be withheld until Portis plays w/ at least the threat of a passing game.

redskin_rich · #4 08-24-2005, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dukeuch

Anyone notice how Ron Dayne is tearing it up for the Broncos? Admittedly it is only per-season, but does this give any credence to the notion that Portis will never return to the lofty heights he attained in Denver?

He fell 128 yds short of a single season rushing record in Washington, in 14 games, with an offense that couldn't throw long to keep the Safeties honest.

Skinzsnut · #5 08-24-2005, 12:49 PM

he is a system player.

skinfanjon · #6 08-24-2005, 12:49 PM

While there are backs that thrive in Denver's system simply because it's Denver, Portis is not one of them. He earned his reputation, and still had a very good season last year. 1300 yards isn't a downyear for very many backs. He is the real deal

IowaSkinsFan · #7 08-24-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by redskin_rich

He fell 128 yds short of a single season rushing record in Washington, in 14 games, with an offense that couldn't throw long to keep the Safeties honest.

Actually it was 15 games. But everything else is spot on.

Spence · #8 08-24-2005, 12:50 PM

They have a great system in Denver and it helped Portis, just as it helped everyone else who has carried the football for that team in the last decade. But Portis is a very gifted and talented runner. Even in a system poorly suited to his ability, Portis still gained over 1300 yards last season. Portis' success in Denver was a happy confluence of great talent married to a great system.

Skinzsnut · #9 08-24-2005, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by skinfanjon

While there are backs that thrive in Denver's system simply because it's Denver, Portis is not one of them. He earned his reputation, and still had a very good season last year. 1300 yards isn't a downyear for very many backs. He is the real deal

3.8 yds. per carry is though.

PA Skins Girl · #10 08-24-2005, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Didn't Dayne tear it up last preseason also?

Yes, he did.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/stats/NYG/2004/pre

redskin_rich · #11 08-24-2005, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Actually it was 15 games. But everything else is spot on.

I wasn't counting the Pitt game when he only had 6 carries.

tbfoster1 · #12 08-24-2005, 12:53 PM

Portis has talent and lots of it. He had a good year last year despite the rest of the offense, he can catch and run, and he makes some great downfield blocks. This is only his fourth year and he alone will be better, add in the stretched out offense....watch out.

Sweepea436 · #13 08-24-2005, 12:54 PM

Good question. Let's be honest, he's no Rashaan Salaam......

I think he a talent back personally, but then again, I'm partial

CNYSkinFan · #14 08-24-2005, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinzsnut

3.8 yds. per carry is though.

It is hard to get a hih average when the opponent stacks 8 in the box and Raymer goes for the grass lunch on every down.

Oh yeah Jansen was not on the line then.

There is an old average that a good offensive line will get a back the first 3 yards and the rest is his ability. I would venture that Portis probably got 2 or so last year.

How can anyone hat on a back who got 1300 yards in a new system with no passing game and only 15 games. I just don't understand fellow skin fans sometimes.

SkinsGal · #15 08-24-2005, 12:56 PM

I do think the Denver system helped him, but Portis is a great back regardless. And even though his production might be a bit less outside of Denver, I still think he's one of the best RBs in the NFC. And everybody's right...if we just had a deep passing game I think his number would naturally improve.