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Old 09-20-2005, 02:12 PM
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Yeah Brunell had a good 4 minutes that won us the game and made three incredible plays that PR never would have made. If Ramsey starts that game last night we lose easily.
two weeks on working with Brunell might lead to 8 or even 12 good minutes ... yeah baby! ... that should lead to 24 and 36 points respectively
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:15 PM
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Most definitly Ramsey would have NOT completed either bomb to Moss.
Roy Williams would have intercepted both of them.
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:50 PM
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two weeks on working with Brunell might lead to 8 or even 12 good minutes ... yeah baby! ... that should lead to 24 and 36 points respectively
Keep doubting Mark then. Don't take any comfort in the fact that Brunell took control of the offense after six quarters when Ramsey couldn't do it since Week 9 of last year. Those last four minutes showed the high potential this offense has. Ramsey hardly showed a thing. Roll your eyes if you want but Mark Brunell won that game and he's gonna win us even more before all this is said and done.
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Old 09-20-2005, 02:54 PM
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Keep doubting Mark then. Don't take any comfort in the fact that Brunell took control of the offense after six quarters when Ramsey couldn't do it since Week 9 of last year. Those last four minutes showed the high potential this offense has. Ramsey hardly showed a thing. Roll your eyes if you want but Mark Brunell won that game and he's gonna win us even more before all this is said and done.
I have to agree with this statement. Whether you're a Brunell fan or a Ramsey fan, you have to admit that Brunell WON that game last night. There have been more than a few instances of a Redskins QB losing a game for us but appallingly few instances of a Redskins QB actually WINNING a game for us. That should be worth something.
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The one disappointment of the off-season housecleaning that brought Allen and Shanahan here is that they didn't part ways with Larry Michael as well. He is a prominent and unavoidable symbol of the horrible way Snyder and Cerrator ran this team in the past. Moving on to a new era of Redskins football, on and off the field, should have meant severing ties with him as well.
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that's only two balls. if he can show me he can threaten teams w/ the deep ball all four quarters, then i'll be confident in our qb. he just wasn't there for the first 3 qtrs. I don't want to watch us play conservatively and hav eto catch up in the fourth. Brunell needs to look deep in the first half and hit his shots. we got lucky tonight...still feels awesome.
I agree completely. If he can still throw long and do it consistently, he should do it and play. Otherwise no. We can't win with the Brunell we saw before those two great passes or the Brunell we saw last week.

I think a few myths either fell last night or were further confirmed as fallen.

That Brunell can't throw long (he can, on occasion).

That Brunell can avoid the rush (he can't...five sacks)

That Brunell avoids mistakes (Brunell makes plenty of mistakes and is prone to throw picks and lose big yardage...taking us out of field goal range. He's no Trent Dilfer.)

That a running game can be established with Brunell at QB because of his handoff skills and leadership qualities (it can't).

That Ramsey fans will admit they're wrong if Brunell's Skins beats Dallas (No way. Ramsay fans thought Ramsey would lead Skins to score over 20 on Dallas. They would have regarded 14 points a failure for Ramsey, win or lose, especially if accompanied by blown chances, a pick, five sacks, and no running game.)
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Old 09-20-2005, 04:09 PM
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The poor Oline play had something to do with 2-3 of those 5 sacks and pressure can force the best to make mistakes ( i.e. like Brady did against the panthers... he had a poor completion %, turnovers and hurried throws under pressure). In other words, to me, Brunell showed heart, leadership and poise under pressure in a somewhat hopeless game with only 1 week of practice with the starting team. Ramsey would have had us out of reach by half time, giving the boys points from Ints and/or fumbles and would have folded under the constant pressure.
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Some of you are simply amazing and sickening at the same time.

I'm so sick and tired of the negativity. Brunell didn't do anything special because he only connected on two long plays? What in the hell is wrong with some of you all?
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Some of you are simply amazing and sickening at the same time.

I'm so sick and tired of the negativity. Brunell didn't do anything special because he only connected on two long plays? What in the hell is wrong with some of you all?
Apparently throwing two game winning bombs on your arch rival's field who you've only beaten once in the last 7 and a half years isn't enough. You have to be a national champion javelin hurler as well.
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Old 09-20-2005, 08:18 PM
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Some of you are simply amazing and sickening at the same time.

I'm so sick and tired of the negativity. Brunell didn't do anything special because he only connected on two long plays? What in the hell is wrong with some of you all?
Seriously. Brunell managed the game and executed the plays that were called. With the exception of one INT that really any QB could've thrown, he didn't tuen the ball over. Furthermore, Brunell WON the game for us. Not DIDN'T LOSE the game, but actually WON it. When was the last time you could say that about a Redskins QB?
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The one disappointment of the off-season housecleaning that brought Allen and Shanahan here is that they didn't part ways with Larry Michael as well. He is a prominent and unavoidable symbol of the horrible way Snyder and Cerrator ran this team in the past. Moving on to a new era of Redskins football, on and off the field, should have meant severing ties with him as well.
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Old 09-20-2005, 08:23 PM
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Seriously. Brunell managed the game and executed the plays that were called.
This is the part that pisses me off the most. Some people aren't happy around here unless the starting QB for the Redskins plays outside of what his HC obviously is coaching and telling him to do.

This crap is beyond mind-boggling.

If some of you all feel the need to be down about everything despite it all, go root for the freaking 49ers or something. There you should find plenty to whine and moan about. Enough already.
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Old 09-20-2005, 08:28 PM
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This is the part that pisses me off the most. Some people aren't happy around here unless the starting QB for the Redskins plays outside of what his HC obviously is coaching and telling him to do.

This crap is beyond mind-boggling.

If some of you all feel the need to be down about everything despite it all, go root for the freaking 49ers or something. There you should find plenty to whine and moan about. Enough already.
Tell me about it. I didn't see him throwing any gopher balls. If you don't like the plays, blame Jack Burns or Mr. Burns or even Smithers, I don't care, but Brunell won that game for us last night. That should be worth something.
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The one disappointment of the off-season housecleaning that brought Allen and Shanahan here is that they didn't part ways with Larry Michael as well. He is a prominent and unavoidable symbol of the horrible way Snyder and Cerrator ran this team in the past. Moving on to a new era of Redskins football, on and off the field, should have meant severing ties with him as well.
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Old 09-20-2005, 08:30 PM
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Apparently throwing two game winning bombs on your arch rival's field who you've only beaten once in the last 7 and a half years isn't enough. You have to be a national champion javelin hurler as well.
I'm inclined to believe that even that wouldn't be enough for some around here.
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Roy Williams would have intercepted both of them.
NO WAY!

did you see how deep Williams was ... Ramsey would have underthrown him too
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Old 09-20-2005, 08:38 PM
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you know when you get right down to it, Bledsoe has been garnering some very positive press in general (before the Skins game at least ... Boomer Esiason for example saying Dallas and Bledsoe best/biggest free agent signing etc.etc.etc) ...

Bledsoe didn't have more than 4 minutes of excellence in the entire game either ... frankly probably not even 4 minutes ... and for some reason or another (I WONDER if its because he's not on the Redskins' roster?) he is "good" and Brunell (and Ramsey for that matter) are "journeymen" and not good enough, and second tier, second rate, losers, etc.etc.etc.

The thing is Brunell had his 4 minutes in clutch game on the line time ... and isn't that when its most valued?

except of course if you're a Redskin ... in which case it was just a fluke
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Old 09-20-2005, 08:41 PM
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you know when you get right down to it, Bledsoe has been garnering some very positive press in general (before the Skins game at least ... Boomer Esiason for example saying Dallas and Bledsoe best/biggest free agent signing etc.etc.etc) ...

Bledsoe didn't have more than 4 minutes of excellence in the entire game either ... frankly probably not even 4 minutes ... and for some reason or another (I WONDER if its because he's not on the Redskins' roster?) he is "good" and Brunell (and Ramsey for that matter) are "journeymen" and not good enough, and second tier, second rate, losers, etc.etc.etc.

The thing is Brunell had his 4 minutes in clutch game on the line time ... and isn't that when its most valued?

except of course if you're a Redskin ... in which case it was just a fluke
Good point. Bledsoe had one nice toss as part of that "Return to Sender" play. Aside from that, he was less than spectacular. I even recall a gopher ball or two.
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