Sean Taylor lead the league in TD's.......GIVEN UP

Smurf85 · #1 01-22-2007, 07:32 PM

This makes me sad i hope he has a better year next year.I for one love the guy and i don't want to lose him.Maybe with a little help in the secondary.He can be the player he was the first 2 years.

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Saints cornerback Fred Thomas is a nice guy, and he is a stand-up guy. But he can't play. Whether it's injuries or diminishing skills, the 11-year veteran has had a tough season.

Thomas was scored on 11 times, tied for the most in the league with Redskins safety Sean Taylor, according to Stats Inc. He also had two illegal contact penalties.

It was more of the same in last week's playoff game as Thomas gave up a 75-yard touchdown pass to Donté Stallworth as well as two other long completions. He was benched for Jason Craft.

"I think the best thing a cornerback like Fred can have as an experienced player is a short memory," Saints coach Sean Payton said. "You've got to get back out there and get back up. We saw some good players last week and a good offense. He's just got to get back up and start playing again and get ready for the next challenge."

Bears receiver Bernard Berrian has seven catches of 40 yards or longer this season, including a 68-yard touchdown last week against Seattle.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/fo...l=dfw_football

LadyNRedskinsfan · #2 01-22-2007, 08:02 PM

how do you figure a stat like that when he is not the only one responsible for a guy? it would be different if he was a CB. he didnt have great year, but how did the lack of help from the corners this year have to do with sean's season? alot i'd say.....

bantu · #3 01-22-2007, 08:18 PM

I'd give up a ton of TD's too if I had to cover the ass of every bum in the front seven. It is sad to see a team strictly adhere to the cover-2 shell, where safeties are lined up deep, and Taylor still makes almost every tackle in run defense. Yeah, he did not have a great year, but he faired better than most of the lame-ass players on the "D".

danny's stogie · #4 01-22-2007, 08:38 PM

Unfortunately I'm not surprised, I hope whoever the heck is coaching the Skins DBs next season teaches them the concept of the play-action pass.

Red Bear · #5 01-22-2007, 08:41 PM

a lot of times sean was closest to the receiver because he was trying to cover ground and make up for one of the corners mistakes, altho in fairness i cant deny he got burned more than i expected when he was covering his own guy

SkinsfaninNJ · #6 01-22-2007, 11:14 PM

This is just another sad stat summing up a very sad season. Hopefully its just that, one season.

becky · #7 01-22-2007, 11:15 PM

I could be wrong but this seems a little misleading, I'd be interested to see how they came up with those statistics. I know NONE of our DBs had a fantastic season, but do these TDs include times when Sean was the last man back and the coverage was blown initially by someone else and times when he was bolting across the field to help another guy in coverage and the TD was scored anyway? Obviously our secondary seriously struggled this year so I doubt these stats fall directly on the shoulders of Taylor alone.

Sarge · #8 01-23-2007, 12:19 AM

Facts are facts, folks.

Why does everyone feel the need to defend

poor play?

He was awful this season, along with everyone else on defense, period. He wasnt awful BECAUSE everyone else was too, thats not how it works. He has a job to do and he failed miserably many times to successfully do his job. If he did his job well, trust me, we would have noticed. There are 11 different assignments EVERY SINGLE PLAY. On most plays, especially last season playing a lot of cover 2, his job was basicly to not let anyone get by him deep down field. It is sooooooooo painfully obvious that he clearly failed to do his job. I love ST and I think he'll get better. But to defend his play last season is insane, he was awful...

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shally · #9 01-23-2007, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Smurf85

This makes me sad i hope he has a better year next year.I for one love the guy and i don't want to lose him.Maybe with a little help in the secondary.He can be the player he was the first 2 years.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/fo...l=dfw_football

in taylor's defense, they were playing him all wrong.. he needs to be deeper inthe defense.. the same way ed reed is used.. if the front 7 could tackle and stop the run better it would allow taylor to play a deeper centerfield and that would stop the problems

redwolf1218 · #10 01-23-2007, 04:39 AM

i'm not sure what they were coaching Taylor to do. he led the team in tackles, so it's almost like they wanted him to play both free safety and linebacker, maybe more linebacker. he might have led the entire league in tackles from the safety position, so i think he was asked to look into the backfield, with disastrous results on play-action pass defense.

akhhorus · #11 01-23-2007, 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarge

Facts are facts, folks.

Why does everyone feel the need to defend

poor play?
He was awful this season, along with everyone else on defense, period. He wasnt awful BECAUSE everyone else was too, thats not how it works. He has a job to do and he failed miserably many times to successfully do his job. If he did his job well, trust me, we would have noticed. There are 11 different assignments EVERY SINGLE PLAY. On most plays, especially last season playing a lot of cover 2, his job was basicly to not let anyone get by him deep down field. It is sooooooooo painfully obvious that he clearly failed to do his job. I love ST and I think he'll get better. But to defend his play last season is insane, he was awful...

First, what does that image have to do with anything? Second, my extremely wise better half but it best:

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Originally Posted by becky

I'd be interested to see how they came up with those statistics.

I don't see any source quoted in that article. I would like to know who compiled and came up with that stat.

dj_stouty · #12 01-23-2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by akhhorus

I don't see any source quoted in that article. I would like to know who compiled and came up with that stat.

They quoted Stats, Inc. which is the official stat company for the NFL.

Stats, Inc. also compiles a ton of stats that never make it to NFL.Com/Stats such as dropped balls, # of times beaten for a TD, passing targets, penalties...etc. I would LOVE to get my hands on that data. Apparently it is for the use of the teams/league only, and sometimes through media requests.

Swirvi · #13 01-23-2007, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by becky

I could be wrong but this seems a little misleading, I'd be interested to see how they came up with those statistics. I know NONE of our DBs had a fantastic season, but do these TDs include times when Sean was the last man back and the coverage was blown initially by someone else and times when he was bolting across the field to help another guy in coverage and the TD was scored anyway? Obviously our secondary seriously struggled this year so I doubt these stats fall directly on the shoulders of Taylor alone.

No, this stat refers, alone, to HIS coverage. It wasn't counted when he had to streak across the field to cover someone else's man. Only when he was directly responsible for a receiver, or else the blown coverage would have been assigned to one of our corners. No need to defend him. He was horrible this year.

Spence · #14 01-23-2007, 09:27 AM

It can be tricky determining how much responsibility a safety has for pass coverage on a certain play. One thing is for certain: The secondary was dreadful in 2006 and Sean Taylor was as much a part of that as anyone else. Only Shawn Springs played well and he didn't play very much.

openallnight · #15 01-23-2007, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by shally

in taylor's defense, they were playing him all wrong.. he needs to be deeper inthe defense.. the same way ed reed is used.. if the front 7 could tackle and stop the run better it would allow taylor to play a deeper centerfield and that would stop the problems

I concur 100%. They were playing ST in the Uber Safety position. FS+SS. They need to pick one or the other. Personally, I'd prefer moving him to SS.