HR Blog: Smokescreens

akhhorus · #1 03-29-2007, 01:44 PM

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Guff away

SpicyMcHaggis · #2 03-29-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by akhhorus

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Too much common sense in there. Stop that.

fent · #3 03-29-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SpicyMcHaggis

Too much common sense in there. Stop that.

it'll be ignored

smoak · #4 03-29-2007, 01:54 PM

I think it is also a situation where you talk to every team and explore every opportunity. You never know what deals are there if you don't have open dialog.

akhhorus · #5 03-29-2007, 01:56 PM

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I think it is also a situation where you talk to every team and explore every opportunity. You never know what deals are there if you don't have open dialog.

This is true, but i think there's too much public theater recently for this to be be that and to be anything but throwing chum into the water just to watch the seas roil.

Redskin4Life · #6 03-29-2007, 01:58 PM

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Too much common sense in there. Stop that.

I like the 6 for 31 and Briggs, then to turn around and trade Briggs for the 2nd, then trade Johnson to the Chargers for the #16 (Turner to the Pack) and #30. Awesome draft...

redskin_rich · #7 03-29-2007, 01:58 PM

Well, the Redskins have put up such a thick smokescreen, I hope they can see through it and actually have a real plan.

shally · #8 03-29-2007, 02:04 PM

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interesting take on the whole thing

we will see what chicago ends up getting for briggs..if indeed he is moved at all..
i still have difficulty believing they will get much more than mid first round value for him. but the market will decide

CNYSkinFan · #9 03-29-2007, 02:08 PM

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-Gibbs hinting at trading up and hints at Calvin Johnson. But again, nothing solid and other teams are mentioned as really hot for Johnson(TB, Minny). Gibbs is also truth-deprived when it comes to the draft. On top of this Peach King and others are giving vague hints that the skins are going to trade up...or trade down...or starting a dinner theater in Upstate New York

It's actually desert theater thank you

CNYSkinFan · #10 03-29-2007, 02:17 PM

No doubt the skins put up smoke screens in April. they do it just as much to fool other teams as well as the media whoi they still have a grudge against for the JC deal.

I also think they are layoing the ground work for a good bluff. They are saying they are interested in Russell or Johnson so in case a mircale happens and they land them at #6 teams right beloe them will NEED to trade witht hem or risk the pick not being there.

And as any polker player knows, if you bluff on the flopo, you better be prepared to bluff on the turn and the river as well. The only problem with bluffing is sometimes your opponent holds the cards and knows it.

SimplyZ · #11 03-29-2007, 02:24 PM

my dream scenario is gibbs knowing what they are going to do, and snyder just throwing our name around to create smoke screens. Snyder probably envisioned this trade not going through, it was one sided on our side...but it also was contradicted with the russell rumors. I don't think anything is going to happen soon, we'll just make noise up until the draft which is where we'll either stay put or make a trade like the one to the patriots, or briggs and more picks

SkinsfaninNJ · #12 03-29-2007, 02:32 PM

I agree with your thesis Akh. But we have no one to blame for these stories other than the FO. These stories get started because our FO seems to open up more than most. You can't blame reporters or message boards for running with stories when Gibbs and Snyder are giving willing quotes. Now, I know your thesis is most of what they are saying is probably half truths or flat out lies, but what do we gain from even putting the quotes out there?

Someone said in another thread, there is no talk about picks 1-5. That's because teams 1-5 aren't throwing crazy quotes out there. The only thing the Raiders and Lions have confirmed is that they do in fact play in the NFL and currently own the 1 and 2 picks respectively.

I just don't know if the Redskins gain anything from throwing a million ideas in the press.

bergiemoore · #13 03-29-2007, 02:47 PM

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I just don't know if the Redskins gain anything from throwing a million ideas in the press.

It doesn't really hurt anything, either, except for Shally's carpal tunnel (the man is posting like WILDFIRE!!!)

The Skins are trying to throw everyone off, in terms of expectations. Perhaps part of the reason we get taken to the cleaners every draft day is that we've telegraphed our intentions to the entire league. This is frustrating for me, as a fan, but hopefully, this will allow them to cause some movement on the draft board, and have a trade prospect for us to eventually trade down emerge.

akhhorus · #14 03-29-2007, 02:54 PM

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I agree with your thesis Akh. But we have no one to blame for these stories other than the FO. These stories get started because our FO seems to open up more than most. You can't blame reporters or message boards for running with stories when Gibbs and Snyder are giving willing quotes. Now, I know your thesis is most of what they are saying is probably half truths or flat out lies, but what do we gain from even putting the quotes out there?

I think I made that clear in the blog. Its one thing to leak stuff to the same 2-3 guys over and over, its another to publically do stuff we know doesn't make any sense. The Russell rumors only make sense if we hear rumors parallel to these that the skins are offering around Campbell. My point is that the rumors are too systemically vague, contradictory and easily dismissable to be taken as anything but systemic disinformation.

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Someone said in another thread, there is no talk about picks 1-5. That's because teams 1-5 aren't throwing crazy quotes out there. The only thing the Raiders and Lions have confirmed is that they do in fact play in the NFL and currently own the 1 and 2 picks respectively.

Not true. The Lions and Cards are trying to deal down(especially the Lions) and the Bucs are trying to deal up for Calvin Johnson. The Lions have made it rather clear they're offering the pick around and the Cards are playing things close to the vest because they still think there's a chance Joe Thomas drops to them.

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I just don't know if the Redskins gain anything from throwing a million ideas in the press.

They do. How about this theoretically: The Skins and Green Bay(or Tennessee or whomever else wants a RB) have talked a trade contingent on Adrian Peterson being available at 6. But, Green Bay(or whomever) has also talked to Detroit, Cleveland, Tampa and Arizona about their picks also for Peterson. So the Skins make it known, even through public actions/statements that they want to move up from 6 for Russell/Johnson. So, this drives up the price for GB(or whomever) because the Lions/Browns/Raiders would probably be more interested in staying high, which makes the skins' offers look better. Briggs' rumors could also be doing the same. If the skins look like they want out 6, that expands the market for the pick and lets teams know(without playing any proverbial cards) what we expect to get back for it talent wise.

hail2skins · #15 03-29-2007, 02:58 PM

How does the report of the $20 million guaranteed contract offer to Briggs fit into your thinking?