Redskins nutritionist dies suddenly

[chrisbcbu]

This is sad news. Especially if what Akh says is true. RIP Ann.

And im glad your dad is ok Huly! Glad to have you aboard as well.

[Skins7ny]

Originally Posted by ESHuly

My thought and prayers are with their family.

Accidents happen. My dad had open heart surgery a few years ago and 24 hours later they realized they left a sponge in his chest. They found it due to he was having chest pains. My dad is doing ok but with all of that I was a wreck.

Accidents usualy don't just happen. They are usually the result of someone's carelessness. If someone rear-ends you, for example, it wasn't just an "accident" that just "happens". It is the direct result of someone not paying attention to their driving. It is easily avoidable and the opposite of "inevitable". Just my $0.02

[Oregonian]

Originally Posted by Skins7ny

Accidents usualy don't just happen. They are usually the result of someone's carelessness... It is easily avoidable and the opposite of "inevitable".

LOL. Humans are imperfect, in many ways. Even when trying as hard as they can, they WILL make mistakes.

I'd like to see you take the job of working in an ER and seeing 1000 people or more with abdominal pain every year and NEVER missing a serious case.

This is a very very sad time for friends and family of the deceased and for any caregiver involved as well.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Oregonian

LOL. Humans are imperfect, in many ways. Even when trying as hard as they can, they WILL make mistakes.

I'd like to see you take the job of working in an ER and seeing 1000 people or more with abdominal pain every year and NEVER missing a serious case.

It would take an hour(or probably less) to do an MRI and they would have found the obstruction/tear. This was, at best, laziness and at worst neglect. Only someone died in this case.

[Oregonian]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

It would take an hour(or probably less) to do an MRI and they would have found the obstruction/tear. This was, at best, laziness and at worst neglect. Only someone died in this case.

I don't think you know alot about medicine, and I am sure that you don't know the specific details of this case.

An MRI would NEVER be done in this case.

And to assume that laziness or neglect was involved is an assumption that you don't have the facts to support.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Oregonian

I don't think you know alot about medicine, and I am sure that you don't know the specific details of this case.

An MRI would NEVER be done in this case.

And to assume that laziness or neglect was involved is an assumption that you don't have the facts to support.

I'm sorry, CT scan instead of an MRI. Or the doctor could do an abdominal Xray. Both of which wouldn't take long. And telling the patient that it was psychosomatic without doing any tests like that is at least laziness and is close to criminal neglect.

[shally]

Originally Posted by Oregonian

I don't think you know alot about medicine, and I am sure that you don't know the specific details of this case.

An MRI would NEVER be done in this case.

And to assume that laziness or neglect was involved is an assumption that you don't have the facts to support.

A. i do not know the specific details of this case
but

B. there ARE tests that could have been done quickly to further evaluate the case. although an MRI is not often used, a contrast enhanced CT scan could easily be used.. and is in fact often used with acute trauma patients to evaluate the abdomen

the key is the index of suspicion by the ER staff.. whether there were signs and symptoms that should have led a reasonable professional to do the kinds of additional tests needed to make an accurate diagnosis.

sometimes the outcome is the same-- tragedy-- no matter what is done.
but, as i said, i do not know the specifics of this case. someone, or some tribunal WILL get to the bottom of what happened

[Oregonian]

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Originally Posted by shally

A. i do not know the specific details of this case
but

B. there ARE tests that could have been done quickly to further evaluate the case. although an MRI is not often used, a contrast enhanced CT scan could easily be used.. and is in fact often used with acute trauma patients to evaluate the abdomen

the key is the index of suspicion by the ER staff.. whether there were signs and symptoms that should have led a reasonable professional to do the kinds of additional tests needed to make an accurate diagnosis.

sometimes the outcome is the same-- tragedy-- no matter what is done.
but, as i said, i do not know the specifics of this case. someone, or some tribunal WILL get to the bottom of what happened

This, I can agree with.

Someone MAY have missed something obvious.

Someone MAY have missed something less obvious.

There are certainly details that noone here is aware of. But isn't it premature to decide that mistakes were made out of 'laziness', or 'neglect'?

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Oregonian

This, I can agree with.

Someone MAY have missed something obvious.

Someone MAY have missed something less obvious.

There are certainly details that noone here is aware of. But isn't it premature to decide that mistakes were made out of 'laziness', or 'neglect'?

Someone died from a preventable and fixable condition and were told that it wasn't real(in a physical sense) without any real test(s) being run to check for what did kill her. Its premature, but its going to be hard for the docs/nurses to prove that it wasn't laziness, total incompentance or neglect.

[shally]

Originally Posted by Oregonian

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This, I can agree with.

Someone MAY have missed something obvious.

Someone MAY have missed something less obvious.

There are certainly details that noone here is aware of. But isn't it premature to decide that mistakes were made out of 'laziness', or 'neglect'?

i think a thorough investigation has to take place. hopefully there is no rush to judgment and it is not tried in the press.

but, in most cases, if the patient is not in shock by the time they get to the ER, it is a treatable condition. again, it has to be determined, if possible, when the perforation occurred. but we are talking about something that is treatable if recognized in time.. that is going to be the crux of the matter-- whether the treatment met the standard of care

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Someone died from a preventable and fixable condition and were told that it wasn't real(in a physical sense) without any real test(s) being run to check for what did kill her. Its premature, but its going to be hard for the docs/nurses to prove that it wasn't laziness, total incompentance or neglect.

no question, they are all going to be on the defensive in this matter because of the known outcome of the case. but they all deserve to be heard

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by shally

no question, they are all going to be on the defensive in this matter because of the known outcome of the case. but they all deserve to be heard

The key will be what she(vitt) told the docs/nurses at her first trip(what she told her family/friends and what they wrote down on their notes). Its my understanding that she was told to go to the hospital immediately by a doctor neighbor. If she complained about unbearable pain or was in real bad shape, then the Docs might want to check their malpractice policies.

[Oregonian]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Someone died from a preventable and fixable condition and were told that it wasn't real(in a physical sense) without any real test(s) being run to check for what did kill her. Its premature, but its going to be hard for the docs/nurses to prove that it wasn't laziness, total incompentance or neglect.

Agree that it sounds like this will be a difficult case to defend.

But we know very little about what happened, patient's past history, what she was actually told after the first visit, etc.

I am just a little shocked that you assume that the hospital staff had to have been lazy or incompetent or neglectful. I don't think you know enough about what happened or about medicine to make that judgement.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Oregonian

Agree that it sounds like this will be a difficult case to defend.

But we know very little about what happened, patient's past history, what she was actually told after the first visit, etc.

The Psychosomatic thing is from the friend of mine who was her neighbor and she heard it from her family from what she told them(or heard when with her).

Originally Posted by Oregonian

I am just a little shocked that you assume that the hospital staff had to have been lazy or incompetent or neglectful. I don't think you know enough about what happened or about medicine to make that judgement.

When someone(anyone) dies from something very treatable because someone failed/refused to order a standard and easy test, someone screwed up quite badly anyway you slice it. Outside of the deceased telling the docs she was fine and didn't feel any pain(which I find extremely doubtful), then its hard to say the Docs didn't screw this one up. I don't have to be a medical doctor to know that.

[shally]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

The key will be what she(vitt) told the docs/nurses at her first trip(what she told her family/friends and what they wrote down on their notes). Its my understanding that she was told to go to the hospital immediately by a doctor neighbor. If she complained about unbearable pain or was in real bad shape, then the Docs might want to check their malpractice policies.

agreed.

cases like these never see the inside of a courtroom because they are impossible to defend.

there will be an investigation into what happened and in all likelihood it will settle quietly

the question will be who made the decisions responsible for the outcome. if someone is innocent, they should be exonerated. but until it is fully investigated, everyone is under a cloud

[shally]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

The Psychosomatic thing is from the friend of mine who was her neighbor and she heard it from her family from what she told them(or heard when with her).



When someone(anyone) dies from something very treatable because someone failed/refused to order a standard and easy test, someone screwed up quite badly anyway you slice it. Outside of the deceased telling the docs she was fine and didn't feel any pain(which I find extremely doubtful), then its hard to say the Docs didn't screw this one up. I don't have to be a medical doctor to know that.

and ultimately, if this matter were to go to court, it would be lay people exactly like you who would make the decisions as to whether the standards of care were breached