Thomas Has Knee Scope, Out for Mini-Camp

[OCSkinzFan]

Thomas is expected to be fully healthy by the start of training camp in late July.

He'll be fully healthy in JULY.

No story here...


http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=21922

Originally Posted by SkinsfaninNJ

This is a question posed to our resident doctors. It seems like players do try to rehab at all costs before turning to surgery. Is there a reason? Are you more susceptible to reinjury after surgery?

Psyche wise, Mack the Knife scares many athletes. The what if mental factors come into play and they tend to use everything from rehab, therapy, to Ms Rudolph's special cure all. The delay they create and ask, what is the latest I can wait, before having the last gasp at making a run to be healthy by opening day, is like Russian roulette with the clock.

Some losers to clock in the past:
Arrington, Portis, Daniels, Barrow and Springs, Springs, Springs

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally Posted by OCSkinzFan

He'll be fully healthy in JULY.

No story here...


http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=21922

There's still a story. Namely, why not take care of this directly after the season like so many other players? And if they decided to let it go for a while to possibly bypass surgery, why is it that this is the first that anyone heard about it and the articles don't mention that they were taking a wait and see approach? All we get is "Thomas to have surgery. Will be ready by TC". While it likely won't be a big deal, those are still unanswered questions that are worth asking.

[culpeper]

Originally Posted by BurgundyNGold

There's still a story. Namely, why not take care of this directly after the season like so many other players? And if they decided to let it go for a while to possibly bypass surgery, why is it that this is the first that anyone heard about it and the articles don't mention that they were taking a wait and see approach? All we get is "Thomas to have surgery. Will be ready by TC". While it likely won't be a big deal, those are still unanswered questions that are worth asking.

its not a wait and see approach necessarily. hes getting older, spends a lot of time in a deep knee bend and carries a heavy load. the knees are going to have issues here and there. normal stuff. its not like our medical staff is incompetent.

i discussed what i believe is the trainers role and thought process at the end of page 1 of this thread...

it doesnt say what the procedure is, but odds are its just a "clean-up". impingements, floating tissue, rough areas, smoothing excess scar tissue, etc. since we dont have the med records though, OUR approach should be 'wait and see'.

[ryflan47]

I cringe everytime I hear/see "Arthoscopic knee surgery".

[bergiemoore]

Originally Posted by BurgundyNGold

There's still a story. Namely, why not take care of this directly after the season like so many other players? And if they decided to let it go for a while to possibly bypass surgery, why is it that this is the first that anyone heard about it and the articles don't mention that they were taking a wait and see approach? All we get is "Thomas to have surgery. Will be ready by TC". While it likely won't be a big deal, those are still unanswered questions that are worth asking.

I didn't see any mention of when this condition came to be a known issue. It is entirely possible that there was no problem until now. Without any information to the contrary, it's hard to prove that the medical staff is directly at fault for the timing of this surgery. As for the timing itself, I'd rather see them do this now, then August or September (*cough*Springs*cough*).

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally Posted by culpeper

its not a wait and see approach necessarily. hes getting older, spends a lot of time in a deep knee bend and carries a heavy load. the knees are going to have issues here and there. normal stuff. its not like our medical staff is incompetent.

i discussed what i believe is the trainers role and thought process at the end of page 1 of this thread...

it doesnt say what the procedure is, but odds are its just a "clean-up". impingements, floating tissue, rough areas, smoothing excess scar tissue, etc. since we dont have the med records though, OUR approach should be 'wait and see'.

If it was just routine maintenance then more reason it should have been done back in February or March.

[skinsfan36]

just hope hes 100 percent by august,hopefully its nothing major

[BurgundyNGold]

Originally Posted by bergiemoore

I didn't see any mention of when this condition came to be a known issue. It is entirely possible that there was no problem until now. Without any information to the contrary, it's hard to prove that the medical staff is directly at fault for the timing of this surgery. As for the timing itself, I'd rather see them do this now, then August or September (*cough*Springs*cough*).

Oh, no doubt. Better June than August. But better March than June.

[culpeper]

Originally Posted by BurgundyNGold

If it was just routine maintenance then more reason it should have been done back in February or March.

he probably didnt have any problems with it then. i dont know the prognosis personally, but i do know the protocol. if there was any hint to this before hand, trainers ask the question... rehab or surgery (like dewayne wade did for his shoulder this season).

you can get by in different ways with some injuries (even if its not in the athletes best interest sometimes, this is a business, but the athlete is the one to make the final call).

my guess is there was no indication of a potential problem until now.

[urobm]

Originally Posted by skinsfan36

just hope hes 100 percent by august,hopefully its nothing major

Doesnt sound too serious, but this is a guy that we desperately need on this offensive line. Just a monster, and I hope he is 100% soon, but nothing to panic about.

[28Zcomeback]

at least with my full ACL, that's what happened. As I awoke from surgery, there was a physical therapist at the bed, getting me to do leg lifts and urging me to put weight on it. I thought he was crazy, but apparently, that's par for the course.

Thomas will need at least one month to get his leg in shape and shouldn't miss many snaps.

As a vet, he could probably walk onto the field in September with no camp and be okay.

[culpeper]

[quote]

Originally Posted by 28Zcomeback

at least with my full ACL, that's what happened. As I awoke from surgery, there was a physical therapist at the bed, getting me to do leg lifts and urging me to put weight on it. I thought he was crazy, but apparently, that's par for the course.

that does happen but its not really 'par for the course'. they way i learned is you dont want the athlete doing too much rehab while they are still groggy from surgery. so you just Rest Ice use a Compression wrap, and Elevate (RICE). thats not to say it doesnt happen though. (my guess is with your surgery they were trying to get you some attention before they hardly ever see you again. the attention athletes receive in rehab is lightyears beyond what a normal guy like me and you would receive)

Thomas will need at least one month to get his leg in shape and shouldn't miss many snaps.

where did you get this info? i would be hesitant to make any assumptions on time frame unless i actually knew what the surgery was. even if its 'minor'. thats not to say that you could still be right though, we just dont know yet.

[James F. Quinn]

Originally Posted by culpeper

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answer: yes.

but not that black and white. the rehab process with most surgeries involving athletes will start the very next day. i dont mean next week....next day! the reason is they are:

1) in great shape and their bodies can be pushed to limits we can not even imagine.

2)the trainers want to get the swelling controlled and range of motion exercises started as soon as possible. as soon as you can control the swelling, thats when the body starts to heal itself. (swelling is actually the bodies DEFENSE mechanism, not allowing you to move the injured area, aggravate the injury more, etc)

3)the purposed of an athletic trainer is to get you back on the field playing at a high level as fast as possible, and where the trainer 'thinks' you are not going to cause yourself more harm. NOT DIAGNOSE THE INJURY AND TELL THEM TO STAY OFF IT A FEW WEEKS/MONTHS (there are a number of progressive stages to determine these levels ie. 'half speed' to 'full go'. all the while, the athlete is being monitored and treated. )

the athletes are still playing 'hurt' most of the time. injured means you cant play, HURT means you play and get treatment. most of the time(80% roughly) the athletes get through without any major setbacks or reinjuries.

i dont know personnally if RT had this same surgery in FEB. but if its minor, (i dont know what the current scope is for either) its just minor. i wouldnt get worried unless he starts missing for any length of time.

if i had to guess,and this is just a guess, its an impingement. this could range anywhere from a small part of the meniscus being cut away, to a buildup of chondromaltia (rough cartilege) that needs to be smoothed out, or a calus from a previous injury.

i wouldnt worry yet. our guys get the absolute best for a med staff. sorry for the lengthy post guys.

I don't mind the length, Culpepper, it's the blatant injection of useful information that irks! It leaves so little room for speculation and indignation.

Watch it! LOL