betts falls over & other musings

[Slobberknocker]

Watching LenWhale White run it in for the Titans tonight only added to the wounds.

[shally]

Originally Posted by RedskinRyan

hell no you wouldnt take riggins out of that situation. but clinton portis aint no john riggins either. but i agree with the majority here that portis should have been in on those plays.

no. but we wouldnt have taken terry allen out.. or larry brown.. and they were both closer to portis than they were to riggins

my point was simply that unless you have a designated short yardage back (such as sellers was itching to be) you do not take your number 1 back out in favor of your number 2 back.

yes, we have 2 backs but nothing i have read has lead me to believe that the coaches consider them 1A and 1B..

[panthro]

Originally Posted by whistleandthumb

Title of this thread needs to be changed to "Betts falls over SELLERS'S feet" because anything other than that is a lie (or was stated by someone who didn't watch the play).

I'm not saying the Skins didn't beat the Skins there, but Betts can only take so much of the blame here. And Sellers didn't trip him on purpose, he was just pushed down right in Betts's path.

well, i spent about 15 minutes today rewinding the play and watching it from two different angles over and over again. not sure what you saw, but betts was already going down before he reached sellers. the angle at which betts fell on top of sellers and the angle of sellers' feet show that it would be physically impossible for betts to have tripped on sellers' feet. i'd suggest you take a look at the play again before you call me a liar.

and dude! did you even watch the play at all? sellers didn't get pushed. sellers laid a block on a guy who tried to get lower than sellers. they both ended up on the ground with sellers on top of him. most of sellers blocks end up this way cuz not many people want to go head to head with sellers. the point of the defense is to try and plug up the hole with bodies if they can't take out the lead blocker.

jeez! watch football much?

[skinsfan45]

we had some major set-backs in playcalling in this game and clock management stunk - i honestly don't know who was running this game in the 2nd half -- i think Jason did show some improvement but as stated earlier he's got to stop staring down his first target and give himself more opportunities for completions by reading the entire field, not just his first choice -- right now the defense can just read Jason and know what his intentions are --- we have to know where the weaknesses of the opponents are and use it against them -- we have so much talent on this team and its being wasted -- i think Cp hurt himself a bit when he layed that block, he came out right after and didn't look the same when he was back in -- Moss was dealing with a groin injury and was not himself -- why did we throw to Sellers and hand off to Betts? it sure seems like the coaches don't have enough confidence in our players on either side of the ball -- why can't we play smash-mouth? this is Pro FOOTBALL

[JoeJacksonTaylor28]

Originally Posted by panthro

In watching the replay of the last play, one could easily see that Betts fell over his own feet while he had a clear alley to the endzone. I replayed the clip over and over again watching from two different angles. At first, I thought he tripped over Yoder's feet as he blocked out to the left backfield. But when I looked at the replay from the opposite angle, Yoder had already cleared the path.

I'm sure Betts feels badly about the situation, but in that last play, the Redskins stopped the Redskins... much like we did throughout the second half of the game.

I love Jason as our QB and I believe he'll develop not only into a franchise QB but an All-Pro QB over the years to come. In the game yesterday, I was really disappointed with his play though. He seems too hesitant to throw the ball in many situations causing the timing to be way off. He's throwing the ball too high and behind his receivers on many plays as well. In fact, if his throw to Sellers on 2nd down of the final series had been on target, Sellers could have probably drivin in for the score himself. Instead, Jason's pass was behind and low and resulted in an incomplete pass.

Jason wasn't the only one making bad plays though. Portis just didn't seem like he had his head screwed on right on Sunday. He rarely drops a ball and the handoff is one of those fundamental things that should and must be done right.

Moss is still looking mostly like he's uncomfortable with Jason. Yes, he made a couple of great plays yesterday. He also continues to drop the ball when it hits him in the hands this season. The communication between Jason and him is awful at times. There was one series yesterday when Moss and Jason looked liked they were running plays from two different playbooks resulting in two consecutive incomplete passes.

I'm looking forward to seeing corrections made and watching us pummel the Lions (I hope) in person in two weeks. Hail!

Man, you definitely love pain.

[saviour]

Originally Posted by panthro

well, i spent about 15 minutes today rewinding the play and watching it from two different angles over and over again. not sure what you saw, but betts was already going down before he reached sellers. the angle at which betts fell on top of sellers and the angle of sellers' feet show that it would be physically impossible for betts to have tripped on sellers' feet. i'd suggest you take a look at the play again before you call me a liar.

and dude! did you even watch the play at all? sellers didn't get pushed. sellers laid a block on a guy who tried to get lower than sellers. they both ended up on the ground with sellers on top of him. most of sellers blocks end up this way cuz not many people want to go head to head with sellers. the point of the defense is to try and plug up the hole with bodies if they can't take out the lead blocker.

jeez! watch football much?

Not to beat a dead horse but after reading the title of this post I figured since I recorded the game that I would watch it again to look at this play. Initially I thought that Betts was tripped by Kendall who was pushed into the backfield by Tuck, but that didnt happen. So I thought it was Sellers feet as well because they were in Betts path. But after looking at the play again it is clear that Betts tripped over Todd Yoders foot.

If you look at the play again, Betts left foot clearly kicked Yoders left heel when he tried to sidestep him while Yoder was blocking #37 and that is why he was going down before he fell on top of Sellers. You were correct the first time you looked at it.

So you are definately not a liar but Betts did not trip over his own feet.

Moral of the story...The Redskins lost a game they had won.

[hail2skins]

Originally Posted by greatest2

also, he needs a little better time/field awareness. he could have slowed down on the 4th down play. he had 30 seconds (a regular play clock is 40). so he didn't have to run the same play. he could have gotten a call from the sidelines in a hurry up mode

The problem with that is that the coaches wanted to run the same play twice. Gibbs stated several times. He did what the coaches wanted him to do.

[hail2skins]

Originally Posted by WarEagle

Betts fell so suddenly and inexplicably that I thought he tripped over a water sprinkler that had popped up out of the ground!

Has Clinton Portis explained why Clinton Portis was a spectator during the infamous drive?

We have covered this in the press conference thread. Go there and check it out.

[hail2skins]

I was about to respond to tell the author to watch the tape again. It was Yoder he tripped over.

[whistleandthumb]

Originally Posted by shally

okay. it wasnt betts' fault.. but i cannot believe that you take your best runner, and the focus of your offense out for the 2 most important plays of the game.. especially when he was rested

you give me 2 running plays with portis inside the 5 or 2 running plays with betts inside the 5 and i will take portis 100 times out of 100 to run them.
THAT was the problem

again, can you imagine riggins being taken out of any game in favor of any other runner during gibbs 1? different style runners i will grant you, but your best guy is the guy you go down fighting with, not plan B

that is what i find inexcusable

Couldn't agree more.

[whistleandthumb]

Originally Posted by panthro

well, i spent about 15 minutes today rewinding the play and watching it from two different angles over and over again. not sure what you saw, but betts was already going down before he reached sellers. the angle at which betts fell on top of sellers and the angle of sellers' feet show that it would be physically impossible for betts to have tripped on sellers' feet. i'd suggest you take a look at the play again before you call me a liar.

and dude! did you even watch the play at all? sellers didn't get pushed. sellers laid a block on a guy who tried to get lower than sellers. they both ended up on the ground with sellers on top of him. most of sellers blocks end up this way cuz not many people want to go head to head with sellers. the point of the defense is to try and plug up the hole with bodies if they can't take out the lead blocker.

jeez! watch football much?

How about I work for the team, was at the game, and was standing about 20 yards from where it happened. In fact, some of the players and myself were discussing how he tripped over Sellers... Regardless of whether it was Sellers or Yoder or you or I, the point is that Betts didn't just fall to the ground, and shouldn't be slammed by the fans for having done so. This was NOT Betts's fault - nor was it his fault that he was even in the game at that point.

[CarMike]

Originally Posted by shally

he shouldnt have been in there to begin with..

you think gibbs would have taken riggins out of any similar game for the final 2 plays ??

If Riggens had dropped a sure first down pass on 3rd and 4. And If Riggens fumbled the ball away on the next drive, I sure as heck Gibbs would have sat Riggens out.

Portis let us down just as much as anyone else who is getting thrown under the bus.

[smave]

Originally Posted by CarMike

If Riggens had dropped a sure first down pass on 3rd and 4. And If Riggens fumbled the ball away on the next drive, I sure as heck Gibbs would have sat Riggens out.

Portis let us down just as much as anyone else who is getting thrown under the bus.

i agree

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Originally Posted by panthro

well, i spent about 15 minutes today rewinding the play and watching it from two different angles over and over again. not sure what you saw, but betts was already going down before he reached sellers. the angle at which betts fell on top of sellers and the angle of sellers' feet show that it would be physically impossible for betts to have tripped on sellers' feet. i'd suggest you take a look at the play again before you call me a liar.

and dude! did you even watch the play at all? sellers didn't get pushed. sellers laid a block on a guy who tried to get lower than sellers. they both ended up on the ground with sellers on top of him. most of sellers blocks end up this way cuz not many people want to go head to head with sellers. the point of the defense is to try and plug up the hole with bodies if they can't take out the lead blocker.

jeez! watch football much?

Lol..you really could not have asked that question to a worse person..

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Originally Posted by whistleandthumb

How about I work for the team, was at the game, and was standing about 20 yards from where it happened. In fact, some of the players and myself were discussing how he tripped over Sellers... Regardless of whether it was Sellers or Yoder or you or I, the point is that Betts didn't just fall to the ground, and shouldn't be slammed by the fans for having done so. This was NOT Betts's fault - nor was it his fault that he was even in the game at that point.

I agree 100%. If Portis is a better player than Betts, it's not Betts' fault. He just is. It's the coaches' responsability to have your best players on the field when the game is on the line.

Originally Posted by CarMike

If Riggens had dropped a sure first down pass on 3rd and 4. And If Riggens fumbled the ball away on the next drive, I sure as heck Gibbs would have sat Riggens out.

Portis let us down just as much as anyone else who is getting thrown under the bus.

I disagree. You can't take out your best guy just because he dropped one pass or had one fumble. With that reasoning, there was no excuse for Betts to be in the game. If you take away his first carry and his final two, Betts rushed 4 times for -2 yards.
And I don't think anybody is throwing the players under the bus. I think the criticism (appropriately) is aimed at the coaches.