Santana said he lost it in the Lights

[dj_stouty]

I would definitely take Braylon Edwards over Moss.

Something tells me AZ won't be able to afford all of those WRs...so I wouldn't mind either Fitz or Boldin...

[guess88]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Give me the 10 you name already plus:
Wes Welker
TJ Houshmanzedah
Terrell Owens
Brandon Marshall
Bernard Berrian
Santonio Holmes
Plaxico Burress
Marques Colston
Torry Holt
Donald Driver
Calvin Johnson(even despite thinking he won't be as good as the hype)
Lee Evans
Joey Galloway

over Santana Moss.

The some maybes like Roddy White, Dwayne Bowe, Dj Hackett, etc.

Housh and Evans I like, TO and Blaxico too potentially volatile (aside from this year, Burress has a tendency to slack when things aren't going right), Driver, Holt and Galloway, while still productive are getting old, and the others I like but rather as a compliment to Moss.

I'd love to get Berrian, Colston (no way in hell NO lets him leave), or Bryant Johnson here to go along with Moss, ARE, Mix, and Thrash. I'd be ecstatic if we could get Berrian...

[Battle Cat]

Originally Posted by guess88

20-30? Seriously? I can name a few, but it'd probably just amount to 10.

1. Reggie Wayne
2. Anquan Boldin
3. Larry Fitzgerald
4. Chad Johnson
5. Randy Moss
6. Greg Jennings
7. Andre Johnson
8. Roy Williams
9. Steve Smith
10. Hines Ward

Honestly think that's about it... some others I like, but not sure how they'd do as the #1 guy (Wes Welker), if they've had a fluke year (Braylon Edwards), are nearing the end of their careers.. (Marvin Harrison), and have questionable effort (Jerry Porter).

What's your 20-30?

I would only take 3 of those over S. Moss, Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, Andre Johnson. A couple of things to remember Randy Moss has T. Brady and Chad Johnson has Carson Plamer. Randy Moss the best wide receiver since Jerry Rice looked like crap a bottom 10 reciever when he had the qb's in Oakland. Steve Smith is another example. S. Moss has had Brunnell, J. Campbell, and T. Collins. Take off the burgundy colored glasses before you think those receivers you named are going to play the same with our qb's and our offensive line as they do on their own teams before you wish for them.

[guess88]

Originally Posted by dj_stouty

I would definitely take Braylon Edwards over Moss.

Something tells me AZ won't be able to afford all of those WRs...so I wouldn't mind either Fitz or Boldin...

Either of them would be GREAT, but i doubt they'd come cheap.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Battle Cat

I would only take 3 of those over S. Moss, Chad Johnson, Randy Moss, Andre Johnson. A couple of things to remember Randy Moss has T. Brady and Chad Johnson has Carson Plamer. Randy Moss the best wide receiver since Jerry Rice looked like crap a bottom 10 reciever when he had the qb's in Oakland. S. Moss has had Brunnell, J. Campbell, and T. Collins. Take off the burgundy colored glasses before you think those receivers you named are going to play the same with our qb's and our offensive line as they do on their own teams before you wish for them.

There's better WRs on my list who've produced better than Moss recently with worse Qbs(Steve Smith, Berrian, Evans, Galloway, etc)

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by guess88

Housh and Evans I like, TO and Blaxico too potentially volatile (aside from this year, Burress has a tendency to slack when things aren't going right), Driver, Holt and Galloway, while still productive are getting old, and the others I like but rather as a compliment to Moss.

I'd love to get Berrian, Colston (no way in hell NO lets him leave), or Bryant Johnson here to go along with Moss, ARE, Mix, and Thrash. I'd be ecstatic if we could get Berrian...

No, Moss would be a complement to everyone on my list. He's not the same WR from 2005, and its not the QB probs.

[Battle Cat]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Give me the 10 you name already plus:
Wes Welker
TJ Houshmanzedah
Terrell Owens
Brandon Marshall
Bernard Berrian
Santonio Holmes
Plaxico Burress
Marques Colston
Torry Holt
Donald Driver
Calvin Johnson(even despite thinking he won't be as good as the hype)
Lee Evans
Joey Galloway

over Santana Moss.

Then some maybes like Roddy White, Dwayne Bowe, Dj Hackett, etc.

I would not take any of those guys over S. Moss. Some of the guys you name are old as dirt T.O., T Holt, J. Galloway. S. Holmes and C. Johnson haven't proven enough for me yet. T.J. Houshmanzedeh and Bernard Berrian have never been the man on their own teams. Playing the number 2 receiver is so different from being a number 1 guy I can't even compare these guys to S. Moss. The same way Fred Smoot is the best number 2 corner in the leauge but when he has to be number 1 it is trouble.

[smave]

so far i think those 20+ receivers akh listed, id take over S. Moss right now

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Battle Cat

I would not take any of those guys over S. Moss. Some of the guys you name are old as dirt T.O., T Holt, J. Galloway.

And yet, they're much better than Moss.

Originally Posted by Battle Cat

S. Holmes and C. Johnson haven't proven enough for me yet.

CJ is all potential, but I would take him over Moss anyday. Holmes has badly outproduced Moss since Holmes came into the league.

Originally Posted by Battle Cat

T.J. Houshmanzedeh and Bernard Berrian have never been the man on their own teams. Playing the number 2 receiver is so different from being a number 1 guy I can't even compare these guys to S. Moss. The same way Fred Smoot is the best number 2 corner in the leauge but when he has to be number 1 it is trouble.

Berrian has been the #1 guy with an AWFUL qb/offensive system, and he's outproduced Moss in the last 2 years. TJ might be the #2 with a good QB, but his stats blow away Moss.

[Battle Cat]

Can I ask everyone if they are basing it on this year? If so I am willing to give S. Moss a pass. This team was so conservative some games it was ridiculous and a guy who I really like in J. Campbell making his first starts of his career and T. Collins who he has probably never worked with but the coaches opened the offense up and he led us to the playoffs with C. Portis. Plus how do we expect people to catch balls when the defense like Seattle knows that our qb has to release the ball in under 2 or 3 seconds or Patrick Kerney is going to hit the qb.

[Battle Cat]

T.O.(Alexander City, Alabama) maybe better I agree but I would not want him on my team at all. I would not trade Reche Caldwell for T.O. and that is hard to say since he is from Alabama. But T.O. can destroy your team yeah he didnt do it this year but wait until the off season when he wants to get paid for this last year he just had whether he is still uinder contract or not. Torry Holt is done in my opinion as a top wide receiver. I just have to disagree with that trade. J. Galloway is having a good end to his career but I can't trade for a guy that old. Why would you trade a guy like S. Moss for a 36-37 year old guy even if the 36-37 year old guy is playing better. That doesn't make since to me. I thought Mushin Mohammed was the top guy for the Bears in my opinion. Yes Berrian is a bigger play guy but Mushin is the better wide reciever in my opinion.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Battle Cat

T.O.(Alexander City, Alabama) maybe better I agree but I would not want him on my team at all. I would not trade Reche Caldwell for T.O. and that is hard to say since he is from Alabama.

O...k. Good to know.

Originally Posted by Battle Cat

But T.O. can destroy your team yeah he didnt do it this year but wait until the off season when he wants to get paid for this last year he just had whether he is still uinder contract or not.

On the field, TO is light years better than Moss.

Originally Posted by Battle Cat

Torry Holt is done in my opinion as a top wide receiver.

Holt played on a terrible offense, but still had 300 more yards than moss did this year.

Originally Posted by Battle Cat

I just have to disagree with that trade. J. Galloway is having a good end to his career but I can't trade for a guy that old.

3 straight 1000 yard seasons with drek at QB. I'll take him even at that age.

Originally Posted by Battle Cat

Why would you trade a guy like S. Moss for a 36-37 year old guy even if the 36-37 year old guy is playing better. That doesn't make since to me.

He's playing much better than Moss with less at QB.

Originally Posted by Battle Cat

I thought Mushin Mohammed was the top guy for the Bears in my opinion. Yes Berrian is a bigger play guy but Mushin is the better wide reciever in my opinion.

Muhammed fell apart this year, Berrian rose to the top and became the top WR. And Berrian was solid last year--better than Moss was in 06.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Battle Cat

Can I ask everyone if they are basing it on this year? If so I am willing to give S. Moss a pass. This team was so conservative some games it was ridiculous and a guy who I really like in J. Campbell making his first starts of his career and T. Collins who he has probably never worked with but the coaches opened the offense up and he led us to the playoffs with C. Portis. Plus how do we expect people to catch balls when the defense like Seattle knows that our qb has to release the ball in under 2 or 3 seconds or Patrick Kerney is going to hit the qb.

Thats your opinion. I've seen Moss fall apart as a player, not just statistically but on the field entirely for 2 straight years. If you think he's still a great player, you can believe that, but there's little evidence to back it up.

[guess88]

I wonder if Panther fans are having the same discussion...

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by guess88

I wonder if Panther fans are having the same discussion...

Smith had 1000 yards with absolutely nothing at QB this year. And he outperformed Moss with fricking Jake Delhomme at QB. But nice try at hyperbole.