Why start over?

[ChapelHillMatt]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

What are you talking about? They brought in a head coach(and offensive coordinator) who had no ties with the previous regime.

They brought in someone that fit the personality of their team, they built off of what they were doing previously. They took a 9-7 team and turned it into a 13-3 team.

If we bring in Cowher or someone then we have to get rid of the good defensive players we have and get players that fit his system. The offensive players that have learned Al Saunders system will have to learn a new and different offense.

It's starting over and I think it's unnecessary. This team this year was a good team that just gave away a lot of games in the 4th quarter. I don't think talent is a problem but that's just my opinion.

[skinsfan36]

dont start over just a hire a gm or a player personnel guy who isnt named vinny cerratto

[Keino]

Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt

They brought in someone that fit the personality of their team, they built off of what they were doing previously. They took a 9-7 team and turned it into a 13-3 team.

If we bring in Cowher or someone then we have to get rid of the good defensive players we have and get players that fit his system. The offensive players that have learned Al Saunders system will have to learn a new and different offense.

It's starting over and I think it's unnecessary. This team this year was a good team that just gave away a lot of games in the 4th quarter. I don't think talent is a problem but that's just my opinion.

Why is bringing in a defensive minded coach like Cowher automatically viewed as a whole new system on Offense? I don't think it is a given that Al Saunders wouldn't be retained.

Even promoting from within takes on a certain degree of "starting over", so I really don't get what you are saying here. Dallas started over and it worked for them.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt

They brought in someone that fit the personality of their team, they built off of what they were doing previously. They took a 9-7 team and turned it into a 13-3 team.

Okay fine, so you're saying that the Redskins need a stubborn, inflexible and arrogant coach to become 13-3? Those traits got us to 5-7 to start the season. Wade Phillips at least had an okay track record as a head coach btw, Williams doesn't.

If anything, the Cowboys from 06 to 07 show that we should go outside the organization for a new head coach.

Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt

If we bring in Cowher or someone then we have to get rid of the good defensive players we have and get players that fit his system. The offensive players that have learned Al Saunders system will have to learn a new and different offense.

So? Our players, coaches and "vaunted" systems were the ones who could play well until the final 4 games, then when they played a real team playing hard in Seattle, it took them 2.5 quarters to do much on either side of the ball. You don't change out of success, and we're weren't successful in 07.

Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt

It's starting over and I think it's unnecessary. This team this year was a good team that just gave away a lot of games in the 4th quarter. I don't think talent is a problem but that's just my opinion.

Then it was coaching. Which means that the coaches shouldn't be promoted, no?

[ChapelHillMatt]

Originally Posted by Keino

Why is bringing in a defensive minded coach like Cowher automatically viewed as a whole new system on Offense? I don't think it is a given that Al Saunders wouldn't be retained.

Even promoting from within takes on a certain degree of "starting over", so I really don't get what you are saying here. Dallas started over and it worked for them.

You really think Cowher is going to want the system Al runs? I don't, it's going to be a smash mouth approach. Establish the run and rely on defense to win you games. Make plays in the passing game when necessary.

Don't get me wrong I wouldn't mind Cowher, I think he's a great coach. I just think if we go in that direction then you are looking at a major rebuilding job. I seriously doubt Al would be retained, Bill would bring in his own staff.

[ChapelHillMatt]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Okay fine, so you're saying that the Redskins need a stubborn, inflexible and arrogant coach to become 13-3? Those traits got us to 5-7 to start the season. Wade Phillips at least had an okay track record as a head coach btw, Williams doesn't.

I think we need a young aggressive coach. I think the reason why we blew so many leads this year was because we sat on the lead, I don't think Gregg would do that. I think he would be more aggressive.

I think Gregg would do fine, I understand why people are hesitant to go in that direction but I think he would do a good job, I really do.

[shally]

Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt

You really think Cowher is going to want the system Al runs? I don't, it's going to be a smash mouth approach. Establish the run and rely on defense to win you games. Make plays in the passing game when necessary.

Don't get me wrong I wouldn't mind Cowher, I think he's a great coach. I just think if we go in that direction then you are looking at a major rebuilding job. I seriously doubt Al would be retained, Bill would bring in his own staff.

any one who comes in, young or old, is going to bring in his staff. maybe more with cowher, but even a young guy is not necessarily going to take all the retained assistants..


it isnt as though snyder will likely force someone to retain AS

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt

I think we need a young aggressive coach. I think the reason why we blew so many leads this year was because we sat on the lead, I don't think Gregg would do that. I think he would be more aggressive.

I think Gregg would do fine, I understand why people are hesitant to go in that direction but I think he would do a good job, I really do.

Why do you think he would do that since he's played his defenses soft and loose for 2 years straight now? Gregg isn't young, nor is he aggressive anymore.

[ChapelHillMatt]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Why do you think he would do that since he's played his defenses soft and loose for 2 years straight now? Gregg isn't young, nor is he aggressive anymore.

You must have missed the final 4 games of the season. He was extremely aggressive.

Earlier in the year I would have agreed with you but ever since the death of Taylor, he became his old self.

I think the performance of his defenses in 2006 made him passive but at the end of the year I saw the Gregg Williams I grew to love again.

I want him as the head coach.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt

You must have missed the final 4 games of the season. He was extremely aggressive.

No, he was more aggressive, but he still used the cover-2 a lot.

Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt

Earlier in the year I would have agreed with you but ever since the death of Taylor, he became his old self.

I think the performance of his defenses in 2006 made him passive but at the end of the year I saw the Gregg Williams I grew to love again.

And then they went right back to the same soft defense for the playoffs. He hasn't changed a bit.

Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt

I want him as the head coach.

And I want to win. Williams hasn't shown that he's a good head coach(quite the opposite). Even if his defense was top 5 4 years in a row, I would still have major reservations over him taking over for Gibbs.

[dj_stouty]

Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt

You really think Cowher is going to want the system Al runs? I don't, it's going to be a smash mouth approach. Establish the run and rely on defense to win you games. Make plays in the passing game when necessary.

Don't forget that Al Saunders was behind the smashmouth running schemes in KC. He wasn't above pounding the ball 30 times a game. It was one of the reasons their offense was top 5 for so long...because after the defense settled in on containing the run, Al would call up a bigtime pass downfield to a receiver or Gonzo. Sounds a lot like the Pitt teams of the past decade.

[ChapelHillMatt]

Who is on your wish list akhhorus, just curious?

I think we all want to win, just have different viewpoints on how we are going to get there. I thought Gibbs would bring us back, he really didn't so I'm not sure what the right answer is really.

[SpicyMcHaggis]

Originally Posted by dj_stouty

Don't forget that Al Saunders was behind the smashmouth running schemes in KC. He wasn't above pounding the ball 30 times a game. It was one of the reasons their offense was top 5 for so long...because after the defense settled in on containing the run, Al would call up a bigtime pass downfield to a receiver or Gonzo. Sounds a lot like the Pitt teams of the past decade.

Exactly. It's not like Holmes and Johnson led the league in rushing by getting 3 carries a game...

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by ChapelHillMatt

Who is on your wish list akhhorus, just curious?

I think we all want to win, just have different viewpoints on how we are going to get there. I thought Gibbs would bring us back, he really didn't so I'm not sure what the right answer is really.

In order:
1. Cowher(with LeBeau and Saunders as his coordinators)
2. Jim Caldwell(with Zerick Rollins and Clyde Christensen as his coordinators)
And then guys like Russ Grimm, Jim Mora Jr, etc all of whom are 6 of one, half dozen of another to me.

[shally]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

In order:
1. Cowher(with LeBeau and Saunders as his coordinators)
2. Jim Caldwell(with Zerick Rollins and Clyde Christensen as his coordinators)
And then guys like Russ Grimm, Jim Mora Jr, etc all of whom are 6 of one, half dozen of another to me.

didnt lebeau just sign an extension ??