"Redskins" name lawsuit thrown out.

[akhhorus]

Interesting.

Link

WASHINGTON (AP)—A federal judge has sided with the Washington Redskins in a lawsuit brought by American Indians who consider the team’s name racially offensive.

A group of Native Americans has been trying to get the courts to cancel the Redskins’ trademark so that the team could no longer market its name.

But a U.S. district judge in Washington says the plaintiffs waited too long to bring their case to court. She added that her ruling does not decide “the appropriateness of Native American imagery for team names.”

[jaylen]

I've gone around and around about this and the name is offensive, if a group of Native Americans feel its offensive than it is.

And somehow I still feel like the name should stay for some reason because of the tradition.

But if we changed the name I'd be fine with that.

But it almost brings a chuckle the judges ruling in a sense because their land was stolen from them and they were almost wiped out and now figure they're gonna get a court ruling in their favor over something offensive seems funny.

No justice or peace after the horrific offenses but we do allow you that the name is offensive okay you win. lol

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by jaylen

I've gone around and around about this and the name is offensive, if a group of Native Americans feel its offensive than it is.

And somehow I still feel like the name should stay for some reason because of the tradition.

But if we changed the name I'd be fine with that.

But it almost brings a chuckle the judges ruling in a sense because their land was stolen from them and they were almost wiped out and now figure they're gonna get a court ruling in their favor over something offensive seems funny.

No justice or peace after the horrific offenses but we do allow you that the name is offensive okay you win. lol

Ive said this many times whenever it comes up, but every native(and I worked at Indian Affairs for awhile) I know either doesn't find it offensive or likes it. The people suing here were a group of activists who weren't supported by any tribe.

[Keino]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Ive said this many times whenever it comes up, but every native(and I worked at Indian Affairs for awhile) I know either doesn't find it offensive or likes it. The people suing here were a group of activists who weren't supported by any tribe.

I went to school with a guy who was 100% Native, his dad was an elder in a "tribe" in Carolina. They found the name horribly offensive.

I don't understand the "waited too long" to bring the case caveat to the ruling, but I didn't read the link either.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Keino

I went to school with a guy who was 100% Native, his dad was an elder in a "tribe" in Carolina. They found the name horribly offensive.

And I know a lot of cherokee in NC who love it. When I worked at DOI, I had 2 Sioux chiefs who always wore Redskins' hats who only referred to me as honky lol.

Originally Posted by Keino

I don't understand the "waited too long" to bring the case caveat to the ruling, but I didn't read the link either.

There might be a time limit on when they could have sued over it. The Redskins name has been used for what, 70 years?

[Keino]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

And I know a lot of cherokee in NC who love it. When I worked at DOI, I had 2 Sioux chiefs who always wore Redskins' hats who only referred to me as honky lol.

Oddly enough this guy found the name offensive but was a fan of the team due to being a Washingtonian, Like me. He would refer to them as "The Washington Football team".

I forget what Tribe they were from.

Originally Posted by akhhorus

There might be a time limit on when they could have sued over it. The Redskins name has been used for what, 70 years?

Wasn't the trademark just cleared a few years ago? It just seems to me there shouldn't be a statute of limitations on this sort of thing and the ruling is a cop out. Not wanting to rule on the issue, she throws it out on a technicality.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Most Native Americans that I know, like the Redskins and are fans. The ones I know actually like having a team that represents their culture.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Keino

Oddly enough this guy found the name offensive but was a fan of the team due to being a Washingtonian, Like me. He would refer to them as "The Washington Football team".

I forget what Tribe they were from.

An NC Cherokee explained it to me once: she said that the potomac area natives were also Cherokee and they were called redskins by other cherokee because they would smear red clay on their face before battle. So, they didn't find it offensive.

Originally Posted by Keino

Wasn't the trademark just cleared a few years ago? It just seems to me there shouldn't be a statute of limitations on this sort of thing and the ruling is a cop out. Not wanting to rule on the issue, she throws it out on a technicality.

I don't know enough about the law on this to comment.

[RedskinsDave]

It's not a cop out if the rules dictate it.

[shally]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

Ive said this many times whenever it comes up, but every native(and I worked at Indian Affairs for awhile) I know either doesn't find it offensive or likes it. The people suing here were a group of activists who weren't supported by any tribe.

absolutely true..

i have posted this comment here before..

when i lived in new mexico, where 1/3 of the population is native american.. the 3 favorite team unis and hats worn by them were
dallas cowboys (figure THAT one !)
denver broncs (geographic proximity)
washington redskins

i never once felt out of place or sensitive about wearing redskin colors in any sports bar while i was there

this is an issue to certain groups who have an agenda.. it is not even close to being universally accepted

[Keino]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

I don't know enough about the law on this to comment.

Nor I, really and the story had literally no details about when the suit was filed etc. and I certainly don't care enough to go looking for it.

I just personally think the name Braves sounds much more honorable and would allow keeping everything the same. That was the original name after all.

I have a hard time believing that Marshall, George Preston knew or cared anything about the Potomac tribes wearing Red-Clay en-route to battle, especially since he had the team in Boston.

[shally]

Originally Posted by Keino

Nor I, really and the story had literally no details about when the suit was filed etc. and I certainly don't care enough to go looking for it.

I just personally think the name Braves sounds much more honorable and would allow keeping everything the same. That was the original name after all.

I have a hard time believing that Marshall, George Preston knew or cared anything about the Potomac tribes wearing Red-Clay en-route to battle, especially since he had the team in Boston.

marshall was an out and out racist.. i am sure the meaning of the term had ZERO to do with the selection

[Keino]

Originally Posted by shally

marshall was an out and out racist.. i am sure the meaning of the term had ZERO to do with the selection

Yea, I've read that since they were playing in Fenway at the time, he was trying to boost support of the team by having them sound like the "Redsox". In fact the lack of support is why he moved the team to DC (Or factored heavily into it).

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Keino

Nor I, really and the story had literally no details about when the suit was filed etc. and I certainly don't care enough to go looking for it.

I just personally think the name Braves sounds much more honorable and would allow keeping everything the same. That was the original name after all.

I have a hard time believing that Marshall, George Preston knew or cared anything about the Potomac tribes wearing Red-Clay en-route to battle, especially since he had the team in Boston.

I do know that no recognized tribes were supporting the lawsuits, and I think some of them wrote ABs against the suit.

[shally]

Originally Posted by Keino

Yea, I've read that since they were playing in Fenway at the time, he was trying to boost support of the team by having them sound like the "Redsox". In fact the lack of support is why he moved the team to DC (Or factored heavily into it).

also.. at that time, DC was really southern in feel and character...for many decades, the redskins were the "south's" team... right up until the falcons and saints were added