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I refuse to get worked up unless they lose to Dallas. Then I will look back at this game as when the season started to derail. While we still could make a December run, it probably would not be enough if the November slump is that bad.
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11-05-2008, 11:44 AM
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My biggest concern is #76. How the mighty have fallen. I can't believe how horrible he looks in pass protection.
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11-05-2008, 11:47 AM
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My biggest concern is #76. How the mighty have fallen. I can't believe how horrible he looks in pass protection.
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He's been like that all season, no? Isn't that why he was benched for Heyer?
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11-05-2008, 11:52 AM
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I'm not going to get too worked up about Sunday BUT their performance is not going away either. There are concerns and I really doubtful that 13 days off are going to solve ALL of them.
The best I can hope for is that JZ makes some good adjustments and gets rid of all the stuff that has not been working.
The Dallas game now becomes HUGE and will be the difference between very sucessful and a somewhat acceptable season. Of course that is just my nickels worth.
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11-05-2008, 12:06 PM
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I'm not going to get too worked up about Sunday BUT their performance is not going away either. There are concerns and I really doubtful that 13 days off are going to solve ALL of them.
The best I can hope for is that JZ makes some good adjustments and gets rid of all the stuff that has not been working.
The Dallas game now becomes HUGE and will be the difference between very sucessful and a somewhat acceptable season. Of course that is just my nickels worth.
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I think your opinion is worth more than a nickel, Patrick. I'd at least a solid dimes worth,  . Lol....
That performance, along with the other 2 losses will not and cannot be dismissed, simply for learning purposes. Two of our 3 losses were very similar, the defense bailing out the offense that was clearly outperformed by the opposing teams defense. And a couple of guys need a gut check. I totally agree about the Dallass game--I didn't think that game could get any bigger than what I had thought a few weeks ago. We win and set ourselves up nicely for the stretch run and also bury Dallass at the same time. Lose, and we're scrambling around searching for answers while giving Dallass more hope. We can't have that.
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11-05-2008, 12:09 PM
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He's been like that all season, no? Isn't that why he was benched for Heyer?
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You think?
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11-05-2008, 02:26 PM
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You think?
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I think the Jansen is alright if we run more than we pass b/c he can grind on those ends (or OLBs in the 3-4) in the run game and eliminate some of their "suddenness." If we have to play from behind or pass too much, he's a liability. Was the Steelers game different? Yes and no. Jansen was the same; we just couldn't play to his strengths and suffered the consequences.
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11-05-2008, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RedskinsDave
My concern is they haven't played a good game since Philly. They can't claim to be tired the whole time.
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This is my concern also. We have played average since beating Philly. I think everyone will be a little worked up over the loss until we pound Dallas hopefully. The Dallas game will be very telling for the rest of the season. Please get healthy Springs and Taylor. Our defense could be dominant if those two stay completely healthy and play up to their high level.
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11-05-2008, 03:09 PM
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I don't mind you offering a "but." Just keep your smelly "butt" to yourself.
Yes, the Redskins have problems, and in fact, you could go back and look over the last several seasons and see that similar mid-season slump with our team. I don't know what that psychological slump is all about. The difference this year is that we didn't drop 4-5 games, only 2 (and one was against a legitimate contender). BUT, you're right. If we come out floundering against the Cowboys, who are on desperation row, we'll need a major turnaround to push for the playoffs.
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 Just being an idiot....
Agree that we're in much better position this year in that we won the games like Detroit, Cleveland, and even dallass that we should have lost. I think that lost in the euphoria of beating dallass and handing them their first loss, was the fact that we made a lot of mistakes and left points on the field. Its these reoccuring mistakes that trouble. Is any football team perfect? No, but our red zone offense is attrocious. Get that buttoned-up and beat dallass at home and we can talk about making a run on the division. Lose and we are playing for our playoff lives as usual...
IMO of course.
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11-05-2008, 03:19 PM
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I think the Jansen is alright if we run more than we pass b/c he can grind on those ends (or OLBs in the 3-4) in the run game and eliminate some of their "suddenness." If we have to play from behind or pass too much, he's a liability. Was the Steelers game different? Yes and no. Jansen was the same; we just couldn't play to his strengths and suffered the consequences.
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Amen. Jansen is still better than a lot of the RTs out there, but even Samuels (albeit on a bum knee) struggled to the point where after one play I looked b/c I assumed Heyer was in at LT. The key is and always has been that the Redskins need to run the football and wear on teams. It touches on another reason that I am not going to get all "worked up"... I think the Stillers are one of the teams best suited to beat the Redskins. They way they bring pressure, if we were not leading, I expected the game to snowball. that is why I was ticked that we settled for two FGs and missed a pick 6. Those are the things that have been happening for years (not just to #22) that will cost us in close games. The Redskins simply are NOT going to blow teams out so EVERY play of every possession is magnified.
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11-05-2008, 03:21 PM
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My concern is they haven't played a good game since Philly. They can't claim to be tired the whole time.
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Exactly... like I said in another thread, 6-3 or not, imo we have only proved, that we are an average team that barely beats below average teams and struggles against the good ones. I was catching a lot of flack for being critical of them in the game threads but there's no way we should have lost to the Rams at home(after containing Jackson), barely beating a browns team whose QB couldnt hit anything and then struggling against the Orlovsky led Lions. And what happens next? We get completely dominated by the steelers at our house(yet again).
Infact I'm not convinced that we can handily take care of the Seahawks, Bungles and 49ers...much less defend our home turf against the division. Right now I think we've been more lucky than good...and luck tends to run out. I love this team and think we have some things to definately celebrate and build on. However unless we develop a more stable passing game and find a way to not play down to inferior opponents then imo we'll be sitting home during the playoffs.
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11-05-2008, 03:51 PM
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I am not getting worked up because it is brutal to not have a bye week until week 10. We were really really banged up. Moss, Portis, Samuels, Griffen, Smoot, J. Taylor and always S. Springs need a week off.
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11-05-2008, 04:03 PM
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yeah, i'm disappointed by the loss to Pitt. mostly because of our complete lack of production on offense. puts too much of a burden on the D, and sets them up for failing in the game sooner or later. we've got to be able to score more points and score more consistently. offense is not highly-powered enough yet, though we're growing.
the current situation makes that atrocious loss to the Rams that much more sickening. it just shouldn't have happened, and makes all the games in the future that much more important and potentially stressful.
for the most part, i'm okay with 6-3 right now. what i'm not okay with is the fact that in the losses, for the most part, we didn't get beat, we just didn't perform to the best of our abilities. failing to perform is much more difficult to accept than just getting destroyed by a team which is clearly superior.
i'm just trying to keep things in perspective by remembering that we're in our first year under a BRAND NEW head coach, and we're NOT 3-6 having an excruciating rebuilding year. i'm trying to look at the positives, while still hoping for increased performance as the season progresses.
hail.
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11-05-2008, 05:31 PM
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Exactly... like I said in another thread, 6-3 or not, imo we have only proved, that we are an average team that barely beats below average teams and struggles against the good ones. I was catching a lot of flack for being critical of them in the game threads but there's no way we should have lost to the Rams at home(after containing Jackson), barely beating a browns team whose QB couldnt hit anything and then struggling against the Orlovsky led Lions. And what happens next? We get completely dominated by the steelers at our house(yet again).
Infact I'm not convinced that we can handily take care of the Seahawks, Bungles and 49ers...much less defend our home turf against the division. Right now I think we've been more lucky than good...and luck tends to run out. I love this team and think we have some things to definately celebrate and build on. However unless we develop a more stable passing game and find a way to not play down to inferior opponents then imo we'll be sitting home during the playoffs.
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I agree with your premise, but wins are wins, so if "luck" carries us to 12-4 or 11-5 who cares?
We should have never lost to the Rams. We dominated them every which way but on the scoreboard. The sad part is if any of the three turnovers don't happen, we probably win by double digits. But I don't call it luck since in addition to beating the Browns and Lions, we statistically beat them, especially the Lions who we destroyed statistically.
Having said that, they definitely have to get their stuff together by next Sunday because they can't be a healthy Cowboys team playing the way they did against the Steelers or Browns. Rams and Lions not so much since it was a few mental errors that cost them, but not overall play.
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11-05-2008, 05:40 PM
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I am not getting worked up because it is brutal to not have a bye week until week 10. We were really really banged up. Moss, Portis, Samuels, Griffen, Smoot, J. Taylor and always S. Springs need a week off.
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we could have a bye every week in the first 10 and springs would still be out.
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