In the first 3 rounds in the last few years, we've drafted:
So, you're wrong.
OH, BOY. HERE WE GO. STILL DON'T KNOW HOW TO MULTI-POST, WILL RESPOND IN CAPS TO DIFFERENTIATE MY COMMENTS FROM YOURS, THAT BOTHERS ANYONE, SORRY AND SKIP THIS POST.
BY HIGH PICKS I MEAN FIRST PICK IN DRAFT, YOU CAN'T SAY FIRST ROUNDER BECAUSE WE SO OFTEN DON'T HAVE ONE, BUT WHATEVER. OUR HIGHEST PICK LAST 5 YEARS: WR, OLB, CB, S, WR. SEE A LINEMAN ANYWHERE?
We can find those needs via FA or UDFA.
DIDN'T SAY WE COULDN'T. THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM, ONCE AGAIN, IS I RESPONDED TO A POST IN WHICH SOMEONE SUGGESTED WE DRAFT THEM, WHICH I DISAGREED WITH, AND THEN YOU MISCONSTRUED THAT RESPONSE AND RAN WITH IT.
Rinehart is old, past his prime and in decline? Its not being absurd to point out that we have a ready to go young player to replace one of the OLmen. Considering how little intelligence you put into your postings, I don't want to assume any knowledge on your part.
NOT BITING ON THE INSULT. YOUR BREAD AND BUTTER.
RINEHART IS OLD, PAST HIS PRIME, AND IN DECLINE. SOLID CONTRIBUTOR, ABSOLUTELY. LONG TERM SOLUTION, NO WAY. HE WILL GET WORSE EACH YEAR.
NEVER SAID WE DIDN'T HAVE A YOUNG PLAYER BEHIND HIM.
AS ALWAYS, NICE REDIRECT THOUGH.
You mean the player who you claimed has a history of injuries and doesn't and is arguably the best OC in the NFL still?
YOU SAID THE SAME THING ABOUT JASON TAYLOR, HOW'D THAT WORK OUT. . .
HE IS A VERY GOOD CENTER. BUT HE IS 32. DO WE WANT TO DRAFT AND DEVELOP A LONG TERM STARTER, OR PAY TOP DOLLAR FOR A FREE AGENT WITH A FEW YEARS TOPS LEFT IN THE TANK. . .
I KNOW, HE MAY PLAY 4-5 MORE YEARS, RIGHT?
DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT ABOUT TAYLOR?
AND OF COURSE, I'M PUTTING WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH. . .
BIRK MISSED THE LAST 4 GAMES OF 2004 WITH A SPORTS HERNIA, AND THE ENTIRE 2005 SEASON WITH A HIP INJURY THAT REQUIRED SURGERY. I WAS ACTUALLY LIVING IN MINNIE AT THE TIME AND SAW INTERVIEWS WITH HIM ABOUT HIS HERNIA AND HIM TRYING TO PLAY THROUGH IT.
SO ONE, YOU ARE WRONG, AND TWO, YOU WILL OF COURSE PARSE LANGUAGE AND SAY THAT ISN'T A HISTORY, BUT AN ISOLATED INCIDENT. WHATEVER. I WANT TO DRAFT A YOUNG PROMISING CENTER WHO CAN START FOR A DECADE, NOT SIGN A 32 YEAR OLD NEAR THE END OF HIS CAREER.
Seemed to work for the Dolphins, whom you were advocating as a model...
ACCURATE AS ALWAYS. IN ONE DRAFT, THE DOLPHINS DRAFTED A LT, 2 Gs, 2 DEs, AND A DT. 3 LINEMAN ON EITHER SIDE OF THE BALL. ROUGHLY AS MANY AS WE DRAFTED THE LAST DECADE. IN ONE DRAFT. AND THEY ALREADY HAD 2 PROMISING YOUNG LINEMAN, C AND RT, AND SIGNED A FREE AGENT G, WHO WAS, IMAGINE THIS, IN HIS 20s. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DIDN'T JUST TRADE FOR MATT BIRK, PETE KENDALL, AND JON JANSEN. . .
Thats not what I was referring to. I was referring to your usual stupidity you post.
OF COURSE YOU WERE.
That would be an improvement from Jansen, no?
YES, BUT IS HE THE LONG TERM ANSWER?
I'M NOT SAYING I KNOW.
BUT I ASK THIS QUESTION: DO WE WANT TO RISK OUR QB ON EVERY PASS PLAY, OR DRAFT A SOLID YOUNG RT?
Jansen can't go anywhere because of his cap number. He restructured, so did Thomas. Neither one is easily dumped because of it. Those are rather large grey areas which undermine your whining.
ONCE AGAIN, PERSONAL INSULT IGNORED.
THIS IS MY POINT. WHY ARE WE GIVING SUCH OLD, INJURY PRONE PLAYERS HUGE DEALS THAT MAKE THEM UNCUTTABLE.
ANY WHY WOULD WE WANT TO SIGN BIRK, EXACERBATING THE SITUATION, SO IN 2 YEARS WE CAN BE SAYING THE SAME THING ABOUT HIM?
The jury is still out on that one, and I've lost count of how many factual errors and flat out lies you've posted trying to support your inane agenda.
THE JURY IS STILL OUT?
HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA, HA. . .
WE GAVE UP A 2ND AND 6TH FOR A GUY PLAYING ONLY TWO YEARS FOR SURE, WHO WE BROUGHT IN TO HELP THE PASS RUSH. HE HAS MISSED A PORTION OF THE SEASON, AND WITH 4 GAMES REMAINING HAS 1 SACK. UNO. SO HE'S ALMOST HALFWAY THROUGH HIS PROJECTED TENURE IN DC, AND HAS PRODUCED PRACTICALLY NOTHING. NOT REALLY HIS FAULT, AS HE IS A RDE, AS WE ARGUED ABOUT MONTHS AGO. YOU FELT HE WOULD BE FINE AT LDE.
Lol. Even if the "problems" were gone, you would still be posting the same crap.
PERSONAL ATTACK IGNORED, MR. CARVILLE.
LIKE NOTHING MORE THAN TO JUST KEEP MORE DRAFT PICKS AND BUILD THE TRENCHES.
WHEN SNYDER BOUGHT TEAM, DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD TAKE A DECADE, HA, HA.
Like I said: I've lost count of how many factual errors and flat out lies you've posted trying to support your inane agenda.
YOU LIKE INANE. I GET IT.
OF COURSE YOU HAVE.
YET SUCH A SHORT MEMORY OF YOURS. . .
you mean like this past draft, when we traded down multiple times for extra picks, only to really use only one of those picks in the regular season?
ONCE AGAIN, CLASSIC REDIRECT. IGNORE BROAD POINT, PICK SINGLE PIECE OF MINUTAE, TAKE IT OUT OF CONTEXT, RESPOND ONLY TO IT.
THIS IS YOUR SPECIALTY. 90 PERCENT OF YOUR RESPONSES USE THIS METHODOLOGY. SURE I'M JUST BEING INANE, THOUGH. (INSERT SARCASTIC, SUPPOSEDLY WITTY RESPONSE HERE)
MY POINT IS WE NEED PICKS, AND TO SPEND THOSE PICKS ON TRENCHES. YOU MERELY RESPONDED TO WE NEED PICKS, NOT HOW THEY WERE SPENT.
SO IF WE TRADE DOWN, AND DRAFT A WR, WR, TE, P, CB WITH 5 PICKS, THAT ISN'T WHAT I HAD IN MIND.
I said you shouldn't declare the Skins a contender or not until they actually played. You called the season a waste before a single snap was played. It was moronic for you to say that then, and still is moronic now. Please don't put words in my mouth.
AND DON'T PUT THEM IN MINE.
I SAID A GM SHOULD BE COLDLY LOGICAL ABOUT HIS TEAMS CHANCES FOR WINNING A SB BEFORE PULLING A TRADE LIKE TAYLOR, CAUSE IF THEY AREN'T, IT IS A TERRIBLY BAD TRADE.
I SAID I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE A CONTENDER IN THE CONTEXT OF THE TRADE, AND I WAS RIGHT. YOUR PERSONAL ATTACKS CANNOT OBSUCER THIS FACT.
THIS DOESN'T MEAN I HOPE WE LOSE, OR RENDERED A VERDICT BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED, OR CONSIDER IT A WASTE. I HAVE ENJOYED ZORN'S TENURE IMMENSELY. FUNNEST SEASON IN AWHILE.
BUT WE ARE NOT A SB CONTENDER, AND TAYLOR WILL PROBABLY BE GONE BEFORE WE ARE.
You didn't respond when I pointed out that the Dolphins were doing exactly what you oppose, yet you were trying to hold them out as an example.
ANOTHER REDIRECT. IGNORE MY POINT, BRING UP A DIFFERENT ONE. DON'T MIND THE LATTER, JUST BE SURE TO ALSO DO THE FORMER. I KNOW, DON'T TELL YOU WHAT TO DO.
ALOT OF SQUIRMING HERE, NOT ONE IOTA OF CONCESSION THAT DRAFTING THE TRENCHES WISE.
I HAVE ALWAYS, SINCE THE MOMENT I GOT ON THIS BOARD, SAID THE SAME THING, BUILD PRIMARILY THROUGH DRAFT, BUILD TRENCHES FIRST.
THERE IS NO REASONABLE WAY TO INFER THAT THE DOLPHINS UNDER PARCELLS DIDN'T AHDER TO THIS STRATEGY.
HOW SURPRISING THEY ARE A YOUNG AND RAPIDLY IMPROVING TEAM. THIS PROCESS WILL BE ACCELERATED WITH OUR 2 DRAFT PICKS. HOW SURPRISING THAT YOU HAVE SOME INANE RESPONSE THAT TRIES TO OBFUSCATE THIS FUNDAMENTAL REALITY.
And you're defending Dallas trading away 3 picks for Roy Williams now? For the 500th time with you: a draft pick is only as good as the person making the pick. Philly hasn't had a good draft in years, neither has Dallas. The Giants have great systems which allows them to take just about anything and make them contribute.
THANKS FOR THE EXPLANATION.
YOU'RE THE CONFUCIOUS OF FOOTBALL.
DON'T KNOW WHAT I'D DO WITHOUT YOU.
DALLAS OUT OF NOWHERE. I DON'T PRETEND TO KNOW IF THE WILLIAMS TRADE IS A GOOD ONE. YOU MIGHT TRY THAT ONCE IN AWHILE. ADMITTING YOU DON'T KNOW SOMETHING. BUT I'LL TELL YOU TWO THINGS ABOUT IT THAT THE SKINS CAN'T USUALLY SAY IN SIMILAR SITUATIONS:
1. WILLIAMS IS YOUNG AND IN HIS PRIME AND SHOULD BE FOR AT LEAST 5 YEARS, AND IS GENERALLY REGARDED AS HAVING GREAT TALENT. HE ISN'T 30 SOMETHING ON THE DOWNSIDE OF THIS CAREER.
3. AFTER TRADING 3 PICKS, THEY STILL HAVE A 2ND, A 3RD, 2 4THS, 2 5THS, A 6TH, AND 2 7THS. 9 PICKS. THIS IS BECAUSE THEY VALUE PICKS YEAR IN YEAR OUT, AND WORK THE BOARD. WHEN YOU DO, AN OCCASIONAL TRADE IS A MUCH MORE SENSIBLE PROPOSITION. FOR US, THIS GARBAGE IS AN EVERY-YEAR THING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE PICK WILL WORK OUT. BUT IF I HAD A ROSTER WITH FEW HOLES BESIDES WR, AND WOULD STILL HAVE 9 PICKS AFTER THE TRADE FOR A YOUNG WR IN HIS PRIME, I MIGHT MAKE IT. I'D BE ECSTATIC IF WE HAD TRADED FOR WILLIAMS AND STILL HAD 9 PICKS. OR TAYLOR, OR ANYONE. HELL, I'D SETTLE FOR 7 PICKS, BUT EVEN THAT'S A LUXURY FOR THIS FRANCHISE.
A TRADE IS ONLY AS GOOD AS THE PERSON MAKING IT TOO. OR A FREE AGENT SIGNING.
TWO TEAMS HAVE BAD DRAFTS, I GUESS WE SHOULD ALL ABANDON THE PRINCIPLE AND SIGN FAs.
YES, THE DRAFT IS OVERRATED, MORE MATT BIRKS, JASON TAYLORS, PETE KENDALLS. YOU SURE YOU AND CERRATO AREN'T DATING?
THE EAGLES DIDN'T GET TO THE SUMMIT, BUT THEY WENT TO SEVERAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES AND VIEWED IT. MORE THAN WE CAN SAY DURING THE SAME TENURE. THEY DID SOMETHING RIGHT.
THE COWBOYS OBVIOUSLY HAVE COACHING ISSUES, BUT ARE ONE OF THE MOST TALENTED TEAMS IN THE NFL. SURE THE DRAFT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.
AND THEN WE COME TO THE GIANTS. THE FACT THAT THEY DRAFT OODLES OF GREAT PLAYERS AT ALL POSITIONS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR SUCCESS. TAKE OUT BURRESS, TAKE OUT SHOCKEY, TAKE OUT OSI, TAKE OUT STRAHAN, THEY STILL GRIND ON. ITS ALL THE SYSTEM. . .3-5 YEARS OF GOOD DRAFTING IS IRRELEVANT. . .
YOU ARE ALWAYS GOOD FOR A LAUGH. THAT GIANTS LINE ALONE MADE MY DAY.
Taylor plays RDE more than LDE, his injuries were freak injuries-so you don't get any credit for that and the jury is still out on the trade. When he's been healthy, he's been a force at DE. Thats what's happened.
OF COURSE NOT. DIDN'T THINK YOU'D GIVE ME CREDIT FOR BEING RIGHT ABOUT ANYTHING. THAT'S WHAT MAKES THESE DISCUSSIONS SO FUN.
NOW HE DOES PLAY MORE RDE. EARLY IN THE SEASON HE DIDN'T. SO WE HAVE 2 SMALL, LIGHT RDEs, AND NO TRUE LDE. BRILLIANT. I BROUGHT THIS UP WHEN THE TRADE WAS MADE.
WHEN HE'S HEALTHY. . .
YOU MAKE MY POINT FOR ME. YOU DON'T TRADE 2ND ROUND PICKS FOR MID-30s PLAYERS, BECAUSE THEY DON'T USUALLY STAY HEALTHY.
FUNNY HOW FREAK INJURIES HAPPEN MORE TO OLDER PLAYERS. ESPECIALLY SMALLER PLAYERS MOVED TO POSITIONS USUALLY OCCUPIED BY LARGER PLAYERS.
ITS ALL FREAK LUCK. ALL OUR OLD PLAYERS WHO CONSISTENLY GET HURT. NO ONE GETS ANY CREDIT FOR POINTING OUT OLDER PLAYERS GET HURT MORE, AND THIS IS THEIR NATURE.
Thats rich. You do NOTHING but make sweeping declarations that you're right even absent of any evidence of that. When someone questions you, you try to play the victim card and/or avoid any further discussion on the issue.