Colt warming up

[SimplyZ]

Originally Posted by FunBunch5

We have problems all over the offense. However, with Campbell I am seeing a guy that is indecisive, has a slow release and hangs onto the ball too long. Same issues we have always had with Campbell. If those weaknesses are not fixed by now, I don't think they ever will be.

I'm reserved on this issue becasue of the biggest issue we've been hearing for awhile about Campbell.


This is his fifth (sixth?) offensive system and its going to be hard to adjust. Although that fact has been told a bit too often to the point we stop giving him the benefit of the doubt...i think there is still time for him to develop

Then again i was a big fan of ramsey...so maybe im the anti-qb guy

[FunBunch5]

Originally Posted by SimplyZ

I'm reserved on this issue becasue of the biggest issue we've been hearing for awhile about Campbell.


This is his fifth (sixth?) offensive system and its going to be hard to adjust. Although that fact has been told a bit too often to the point we stop giving him the benefit of the doubt...i think there is still time for him to develop

Then again i was a big fan of ramsey...so maybe im the anti-qb guy

Ok if it is confession time, I once said Ramsey is going to be the next Dan Marino, so I definitely need to keep my big mouth shut....but I just can't help myself.

[skins74]

Originally Posted by FunBunch5

Ok if it is confession time, I once said Ramsey is going to be the next Dan Marino, so I definitely need to keep my big mouth shut....but I just can't help myself.

Ramsey was ruined by Spurrier...IMO. He didn't have happy feet when he was drafted but after he was in the Spurrier offense for a little while he was never the same. To this day no matter where he is or what he's doing he hears footsteps. And I see dead people.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by FunBunch5

We have problems all over the offense. However, with Campbell I am seeing a guy that is indecisive, has a slow release and hangs onto the ball too long. Same issues we have always had with Campbell. If those weaknesses are not fixed by now, I don't think they ever will be.

I'm not saying Campbell isn't without his flaws and he does hold on to the ball too long, but the problems with this offense aren't because of Campbell. I want to see Campbell without Moss and ARE killing him at WR before moving on with someone else; those two wrs kill this passing attack with their constant drops.

And even in the bad games for this offense, the only offense that is generated is because of Campbell finding a way to move the ball.

[shally]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

I'm not saying Campbell isn't without his flaws and he does hold on to the ball too long, but the problems with this offense aren't because of Campbell. I want to see Campbell without Moss and ARE killing him at WR before moving on with someone else; those two wrs kill this passing attack with their constant drops.

And even in the bad games for this offense, the only offense that is generated is because of Campbell finding a way to move the ball.

cambell is also very dependent upon CP moving the ball on the ground

whether it is him or the receivers (probably some of both) when it comes down to the ball being in his hands to win or lose the game, most of the time JC comes up short

for next year the front office better cover it's bets and do several things

1. dump either moss or ARE and pick up a reliable older vet receiver like toomer or engram to move the chains on third down while thomas and kelly develop

2. develop davis as much as possible to give JC another bigger redzone and third down target. watching witten tonight, you see just how much difference there is between cooley and witten as receivers. davis will take a lot of pressure off of cooley.

3. get someone like ward or arrington or morris who can catch the ball and convert 2nd and 3rd and longs with swing or screen passes.

4. go all out to develop the offensive line. in the end, JC is only going to perform as well as his line let's him

none of those steps are particularly big ticket items, although signing someone like birk or marvel smith or gross would be worth every penny spent..

[colkurtz]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I'm coming back to hR. I left in a huff due to game comments on JC several games ago.

JC deserves the season to prove he can be a long-term starter here. I continue to think that he is a decent-good QB; but wonder if he can ever succeed as a franchise QB here. He is NOT the biggest problem in this offense; but simply not good enough for the long-term.

Our biggest hole is our WR corps. Weak. I think ARE has to go. The guy is doing nothing in PR and has dropped a ton of balls this season. We need a big, experienced WR in his place. Moss is also on the bubble. The rookie WR get another season to do something - but we keep them based on hope.

Vinny needs to work to replace and draft for the OL. No excuses.

Colt will get another chance next season. JC has had his full season this year for all it's flaws. Next year will be a real competition with a veteran WCO QB to replace Collins & Colt.

I'm back! No, I'm not a h8er.

[shally]

Originally Posted by colkurtz

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I'm coming back to hR. I left in a huff due to game comments on JC several games ago.

JC deserves the season to prove he can be a long-term starter here. I continue to think that he is a decent-good QB; but wonder if he can ever succeed as a franchise QB here. He is NOT the biggest problem in this offense; but simply not good enough for the long-term.

Our biggest hole is our WR corps. Weak. I think ARE has to go. The guy is doing nothing in PR and has dropped a ton of balls this season. We need a big, experienced WR in his place. Moss is also on the bubble. The rookie WR get another season to do something - but we keep them based on hope.

Vinny needs to work to replace and draft for the OL. No excuses.

Colt will get another chance next season. JC has had his full season this year for all it's flaws. Next year will be a real competition with a veteran WCO QB to replace Collins & Colt.

I'm back! No, I'm not a h8er.

i wouldnt be surprised if we had the same 3 qb's next year.. collins was one guy that zorn really tried to get to stay. i dont think he did it for someone else's benefit, but because collins was the guy he wanted. plus, unlike someone like hasselbeck (if he is cut loose) or jeff garcia, i dont think collins is perceived by JC as a real threat.. those 2 would be and i think JC would likely start to press

one way or the other, next year is a make or break year for JC as redskin starter. for all the excuses that have been floated, and despite the talk by zorn that it takes 3 years for a qb to fully get the WCO, i dont think either zorn or JC gets more than next year to move to a much higher level of performance.

the front office will add some linemen to the o line.. probably at least 1 quality free agent like gross, or perhaps birk or marvel smith. they will draft at least 1 o lineman and will work heyer and reinhart into the lineup.
they will do enough to shift the onus onto zorn and JC.. after that, it will be put up or shut up time..

[redskin_rich]

Originally Posted by smoak

its a shame that JC isn't going to get the chance to play on a real team in a real offense, but i just don see the redskins firing cerrato & zorn so...

We've seen Jason's work in 3 different systems and his results have been very consistent. Mediocre. He has had his best season under Zorn but the same problems have plagued him. He is slow to make reads, has no touch or accuracy in the short to mid-range and struggles mightily in the Red-Zone, where everything is congested.

It's a shame that Jim Zorn's coaching career here will likely be determined by JC's success/failure. Usually when a coach is so tethered to a player, he at least had the privilege of choosing him.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Originally Posted by redskin_rich

We've seen Jason's work in 3 different systems and his results have been very consistent. Mediocre. He has had his best season under Zorn but the same problems have plagued him. He is slow to make reads, has no touch or accuracy in the short to mid-range and struggles mightily in the Red-Zone, where everything is congested.

It's a shame that Jim Zorn's coaching career here will likely be determined by JC's success/failure. Usually when a coach is so tethered to a player, he at least had the privilege of choosing him.

Campbell's touch was not great today. Wind may have had something to do with it. But I beg to differ on his touch overall this season. His touch has improved tremedously especially on the deep ball. His deep ball (the few times we have thrown long) has been right on. That was not the case at all last year.

His biggest flaw is the speed in his decision making right now. Am I the only one who thinks decision making will improve with familarity with one offense and building chemsitry with the same receivers?

[redskin_rich]

Originally Posted by SkinsfaninNJ

Campbell's touch was not great today. Wind may have had something to do with it. But I beg to differ on his touch overall this season. His touch has improved tremedously especially on the deep ball. His deep ball (the few times we have thrown long) has been right on. That was not the case at all last year.

His biggest flaw is the speed in his decision making right now. Am I the only one who thinks decision making will improve with familarity with one offense and building chemsitry with the same receivers?

I don't think he is a franchise QB. He is a serviceable QB that won't make many mistakes but he is not and probably will never be the kind of QB that can make plays to win games, on his own.
His reading and recognition of defenses and situations is poor. His decision making is slow. His pocket awareness is horrible. He has no touch on short passes, quick slants and hot routes.

[Oregonian]

Originally Posted by redskin_rich

It's a shame that Jim Zorn's coaching career here will likely be determined by JC's success/failure. Usually when a coach is so tethered to a player, he at least had the privilege of choosing him.

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[WarEagle]

I want to see JC do well, but if there isn't marked improvement by the middle of next season then Zorn should put someone else behind center. Sometimes change at QB is good for a team. And as much as I like JC, I'm starting to get Drew Bledsoe flashbacks.

[shally]

Originally Posted by redskin_rich

I don't think he is a franchise QB. He is a serviceable QB that won't make many mistakes but he is not and probably will never be the kind of QB that can make plays to win games, on his own.
His reading and recognition of defenses and situations is poor. His decision making is slow. His pocket awareness is horrible. He has no touch on short passes, quick slants and hot routes.

a lot like doug williams early in his career

[shally]

Originally Posted by WarEagle

I want to see JC do well, but if there isn't marked improvement by the middle of next season then Zorn should put someone else behind center. Sometimes change at QB is good for a team. And as much as I like JC, I'm starting to get Drew Bledsoe flashbacks.

i think bledsoe was a lot better qb early in his career. he threw a beautiful deep ball. that might be JC's worst throw

[Patrick]

JC's improvement from this point will be based mostly on how well the offensive line is improved. If the Skins are satisfied with the O-line as is now -then you're seeing the best JC will ever be.