Colt warming up

[wide_awake]

Originally Posted by shally

nobody was saying that in the first 8 games of the season... and nobody will be saying that next year if we start out 6-2 again..

fix the o line. develop the receivers and give JC an offseason.. if he cant cut it next year, dont resign him long term and move on...

I wasn't "saying it" but I can honestly say I saw this coming early in the season. When we were in the thick of our 6-2 run I thought Campbell was under performing GIVEN THE SITUATION. He should have been lighting it up not managing the game.

Of that 6-2 stretch Campbell had:

4 games under 200 yards
2 games 200-300 yards
2 games 300+ yards

That's not good enough for me (remember the enormous opportunity Campbell had given the respect Portis was commanding), and personally I'm ready to move on.

We didn't run Portis into the ground because we wanted to, we did it because it was the only way to win.

That's a common misconception around here, that we wanted to play that style of football. Sure we wanted to be a smash mouth team, but would we have rather had more touchdowns through the air at the expense of less Portis carries? I definitely think so.

[shally]

Originally Posted by wide_awake

I wasn't "saying it" but I can honestly say I saw this coming early in the season. When we were in the thick of our 6-2 run I thought Campbell was under performing GIVEN THE SITUATION. He should have been lighting it up not managing the game.

Of that 6-2 stretch Campbell had:

4 games under 200 yards
2 games 200-300 yards
2 games 300+ yards

That's not good enough for me (remember the enormous opportunity Campbell had given the respect Portis was commanding), and personally I'm ready to move on.

We didn't run Portis into the ground because we wanted to, we did it because it was the only way to win.

That's a common misconception around here, that we wanted to play that style of football. Sure we wanted to be a smash mouth team, but would we have rather had more touchdowns through the air at the expense of less Portis carries? I definitely think so.

i agree. you do what your strength is.. at this point the best you can say about JC is that he managed the games we won decently, and didnt do so well in the games we lost. you could say that about a lot of young qb's.

he is going to have to step up his game next year, one way or the other

[Farmer Ted]

Originally Posted by SkinsfaninNJ

He is leading the league for QB's with fewest turnovers, so he has gone way beyond what you ask a normal QB. His completion percentage has improved by 4% to the almost gold standard of 65%. His deep ball was exmplary this year. I laugh when I see posters talk about his inability to throw the long ball. I have to wonder if they actually watched the games this year. That was a strong point this year whereas it was a weakness last year.

He also averages 6.5 yards per attempt (just like last year). That's actually pretty awful. He's tied for 25th in the league in that category. How does that jive with him being a great thrower of the deep ball? It doesn't. He has a strong arm, but he never puts any air under the ball on his deep passes. He can't drop the ball into a receiver's hands over the top of coverage, because he throws the ball so flat. And he rarely gets the deep ball to a receiver when he's wide open, because he stares the guy down, and takes forever to get rid of the ball (and usually underthrows it). I don't think he's a good deep passer at all.

Edit: Jeebus, and he's averaged 5.4 yards per attempt over the last 7 games. Sure, he's faced tough defenses, but there's really no way to polish that up and make it look good.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by Farmer Ted

He also averages 6.5 yards per attempt (just like last year). That's actually pretty awful. He's tied for 25th in the league in that category. How does that jive with him being a great thrower of the deep ball? It doesn't. He has a strong arm, but he never puts any air under the ball on his deep passes. He can't drop the ball into a receiver's hands over the top of coverage, because he throws the ball so flat. And he rarely gets the deep ball to a receiver when he's wide open, because he stares the guy down, and takes forever to get rid of the ball (and usually underthrows it). I don't think he's a good deep passer at all.

Edit: Jeebus, and he's averaged 5.4 yards per attempt over the last 7 games. Sure, he's faced tough defenses, but there's really no way to polish that up and make it look good.

I'd like to see his stats if he got another deep threat besides Santana "I show up once a month" Moss. Campbell throws a good deep ball, but Moss doesn't like it and I've lost track of how many he's short armed or not bothered to try and make a play on(and Heaven forbid Zorn uses Thomas on a fly route once...).

[FunBunch5]

Originally Posted by shally

nobody was saying that in the first 8 games of the season... and nobody will be saying that next year if we start out 6-2 again..

fix the o line. develop the receivers and give JC an offseason.. if he cant cut it next year, dont resign him long term and move on...

How soon into next year should the plug be pulled? I would rather do a QB competition in training camp and pre-season than just automatically give the reigns to JC again. The reason being is if we have the same QB again then we are throwing away next year.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by FunBunch5

How soon into next year should the plug be pulled? I would rather do a QB competition in training camp and pre-season than just automatically give the reigns to JC again. The reason being is if we have the same QB again then we are throwing away next year.

If we have Brennan or Collins as the QB, we're lining up for Colt McCoy in 2010.

[Biggie]

Originally Posted by FunBunch5

How soon into next year should the plug be pulled? I would rather do a QB competition in training camp and pre-season than just automatically give the reigns to JC again. The reason being is if we have the same QB again then we are throwing away next year.

I think that's a garbage assumption. Who knows what the guy could do after actually starting in the same offense for more than one year, especially given some decent offensive line help. Who are you going to bring in to compete (and don't say Brennan)?

[FunBunch5]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

If we have Brennan or Collins as the QB, we're lining up for Colt McCoy in 2010.

That is the problem with this thread, because it is titled Colt is warming up so the assumption is if you are not satisfied with Campbell than Colt. However, that is not the case. I think Colt is pre-season fodder and we will see that next year. I think we need to bring in some competition. This is me talking off the cuff, because I have not researched who is available and at what cost. IMO competition is a good thing and it will light a fire under JC. It will truly be make or break.

[MadDog97]

I have to disagree with all the criticism of Campbell. Many of his passes are hurried and the offensive line is weak. He had problems with defensive personnel coming in unobstructed. Let's get some line help and see how the receiving corps looks next year.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by FunBunch5

That is the problem with this thread, because it is titled Colt is warming up so the assumption is if you are not satisfied with Campbell than Colt. However, that is not the case. I think Colt is pre-season fodder and we will see that next year. I think we need to bring in some competition. This is me talking off the cuff, because I have not researched who is available and at what cost. IMO competition is a good thing and it will light a fire under JC. It will truly be make or break.

The Skins aren't going to burn a 1st or 3rd round pick on a "competition at QB" rookie, if you're going to draft a QB high, you've made the decision to go with the rookie eventually. The other problem is that there's no one out there in free agency at QB who'll be worth signing as a potential(key word) upgrade over Campbell and is willing to compete for the job. The only FA Qbs worth signing are: Kurt Warner, Matt Cassell and Kerry Collins(if they let him walk, which I doubt). None of them would come into a situ where they sign a deal to have a potential shot at the job. You're not going to bring in drek like Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman or JP Losman because none of them are going to beat out Campbell. So, in this hypothetical competition scenario, the skins are handcuffed.

[FunBunch5]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

The Skins aren't going to burn a 1st or 3rd round pick on a "competition at QB" rookie, if you're going to draft a QB high, you've made the decision to go with the rookie eventually. The other problem is that there's no one out there in free agency at QB who'll be worth signing as a potential(key word) upgrade over Campbell and is willing to compete for the job. The only FA Qbs worth signing are: Kurt Warner, Matt Cassell and Kerry Collins(if they let him walk, which I doubt). None of them would come into a situ where they sign a deal to have a potential shot at the job. You're not going to bring in drek like Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman or JP Losman because none of them are going to beat out Campbell. So, in this hypothetical competition scenario, the skins are handcuffed.

Matt Cassell, he is not going to be a starter when Brady comes back. He could be lured in for an open competition. The other guys I agree are either entrenched starters or barely back up worthy. However, Cassell knows he is on borrowed time as a starter in NE and there is enough competition out there where I don't think he is a shoe in starter.

[saviour]

Originally Posted by FunBunch5

Matt Cassell, he is not going to be a starter when Brady comes back. He could be lured in for an open competition. The other guys I agree are either entrenched starters or barely back up worthy. However, Cassell knows he is on borrowed time as a starter in NE and there is enough competition out there where I don't think he is a shoe in starter.

This is silly. Why would Cassell come here to compete for a job when he could go to Detroit and BE the unquestioned starter? Plus, he will inherit a true #1 receiver in Calvin Johnson.

All this talk about replacing Campbell is just plain ridiculous. Colt Brennan better get used to carrying his clipboard around here as he is not in the plans for a starting job in these parts. Maybe in Cincinatti where the fans can spark up a QB switch but not in DC. (Nor any other NFL city)

[shally]

Originally Posted by MadDog97

I have to disagree with all the criticism of Campbell. Many of his passes are hurried and the offensive line is weak. He had problems with defensive personnel coming in unobstructed. Let's get some line help and see how the receiving corps looks next year.

the glass half full scenario

[shally]

Originally Posted by saviour

This is silly. Why would Cassell come here to compete for a job when he could go to Detroit and BE the unquestioned starter? Plus, he will inherit a true #1 receiver in Calvin Johnson.

All this talk about replacing Campbell is just plain ridiculous. Colt Brennan better get used to carrying his clipboard around here as he is not in the plans for a starting job in these parts. Maybe in Cincinatti where the fans can spark up a QB switch but not in DC. (Nor any other NFL city)

why would anyone want to go to detroit ? especially before you see who is running them. chances are they will have a rookie HC and inexperienced GM..
hell of a learning curve there.. cassell would get beaten to a pulp

[saviour]

Originally Posted by shally

why would anyone want to go to detroit ? especially before you see who is running them. chances are they will have a rookie HC and inexperienced GM..
hell of a learning curve there.. cassell would get beaten to a pulp

Keyshawn Johnson mentioned on Sunday countdown that an interesting scenerio could occur, and its actually a brilliant move if anyone could pull it off.

The Patriots GM, OC, and QB could all leave in one shot.

Scott Pioli could be the new GM
Josh McDaniels could be the head coach
Matt Cassel could be the starting QB

Why wouldn't Cassell go to Detroit if that were to happen?