This team sucks

[AliBabba]

Originally Posted by JsMaViSd

so what are you trying to say? are you trying to point a fact to me? im not backing up Moss or Campbell because both ends failed to do there job on the first job. Bad throw, still should have been caught, but dropped. And the second was all Moss. And that, in my eyes, cost us the game.

But On the first drive of the game, Campbell couldnt even hit Betts in stride on a short dump pass. You cant possibly think to be a successful QB in this league if you can complete a 5 yard dump pass

Relax champ, nobody's trying to say anything to you personally.

Moss is not solving our problems, get what you can for him.

[Keino]

Originally Posted by WinnpegSkinsFan

I would say the 2nd pass Moss dropped with no one around him was his fault completely. the other pass where WHarris hit him and knocked it out can be attributed to a good defensive play - they happen sometimes. If Rogers, Hall etc. made that type of play we would be lauding them for making a great play. Even if a ball hits a WR in the hands a DB can still make a good play & knock it out before full possession is attained, a fact of football, IMO.

If Harris had lit him up on the play, that would be one thing, but I don't think Moss was hit hard enough to be separated from the ball. The one thing about that throw that I didn't like is that it was thrown about 1 second too late. The ball should have been in the air before Santana came out of his break and so Moss had to wait for it a bit, but it was clearly catchable and Moss makes too much money not to come up with that ball.

[smave]

Originally Posted by Keino

If Harris had lit him up on the play, that would be one thing, but I don't think Moss was hit hard enough to be separated from the ball. The one thing about that throw that I didn't like is that it was thrown about 1 second too late. The ball should have been in the air before Santana came out of his break and so Moss had to wait for it a bit, but it was clearly catchable and Moss makes too much money not to come up with that ball.

this also. that is how you get YAC also

[shally]

Originally Posted by Farmer Ted

The Washington post has some of Stats, Inc's data on this stuff. Here's the individual leaders in dropped passes. It seems low with regards to Moss, but that may be equally true for all of the other receivers. It's a subjective stat to say the least.

Rank Player Team Stats 
1 Braylon Edwards Cle 16 
2 Dwayne Bowe KC 13 
3 Brandon Marshall Den 11 
4t  Calvin Johnson Det 9 
4t  Terrell Owens Dal 9 
4t  Roddy White Atl 9 
7t  Laveranues Coles NYJ 8 
7t  Marcedes Lewis Jac 8 
7t  Marshawn Lynch Buf 8 
10t  Bernard Berrian Min 7 
10t  Marques Colston NO 7 
10t  Rashied Davis Chi 7 
10t  Anthony Gonzalez Ind 7 
10t  Santana Moss Was 7 
10t  Muhsin Muhammad Car 7 
10t  Hines Ward Pit 7

They've also got passes dropped for each QB. Here's the link for Jason. You can look up all the other QB's as well to compare.

Type Number Pct of Incomp Pct of Overall Attempts 
Pass Dropped 26 13.6 5.1 
Poor Throw 52 27.2 10.3 
Pass Defensed 52 27.2 10.3 
Pass Hit at Line 15 7.9 3.0 
Other 40 20.9 7.9 
Intercepted 6 3.1 1.2

Here's another interesting one: Yards after catches for receivers. Whodathunk that Jason was 8th in the league?

1 Drew Brees NO 2233 
2 Kurt Warner Ari 2091 
3 Matt Cassel NE 2070 
4 Philip Rivers SD 1768 
5 Jay Cutler Den 1754 
6 Donovan McNabb Phi 1710 
7 Brett Favre NYJ 1655 
8 Jason Campbell Was 1597 
9 Peyton Manning Ind 1556 
10 Aaron Rodgers GB  1541

thanks for the links.. good stuff

the YAC are strictly due to sellers trucking people right and left...lol

[AliBabba]

Originally Posted by shally

thanks for the links.. good stuff

the YAC are strictly due to sellers trucking people right and left...lol

you are quite selective in terms of statistical significance recently. predictably selective, but selective nonetheless.

[shally]

Originally Posted by AliBabba

you are quite selective in terms of statistical significance recently. predictably selective, but selective nonetheless.

???????????

i was acknowledging someone's effort ... the rest, i guess, was a failed attempt at humor. is that troubling ?

[Battle Cat]

Originally Posted by Farmer Ted

The Washington post has some of Stats, Inc's data on this stuff. Here's the individual leaders in dropped passes. It seems low with regards to Moss, but that may be equally true for all of the other receivers. It's a subjective stat to say the least.

Rank Player Team Stats 
1 Braylon Edwards Cle 16 
2 Dwayne Bowe KC 13 
3 Brandon Marshall Den 11 
4t  Calvin Johnson Det 9 
4t  Terrell Owens Dal 9 
4t  Roddy White Atl 9 
7t  Laveranues Coles NYJ 8 
7t  Marcedes Lewis Jac 8 
7t  Marshawn Lynch Buf 8 
10t  Bernard Berrian Min 7 
10t  Marques Colston NO 7 
10t  Rashied Davis Chi 7 
10t  Anthony Gonzalez Ind 7 
10t  Santana Moss Was 7 
10t  Muhsin Muhammad Car 7 
10t  Hines Ward Pit 7

They've also got passes dropped for each QB. Here's the link for Jason. You can look up all the other QB's as well to compare.

Type Number Pct of Incomp Pct of Overall Attempts 
Pass Dropped 26 13.6 5.1 
Poor Throw 52 27.2 10.3 
Pass Defensed 52 27.2 10.3 
Pass Hit at Line 15 7.9 3.0 
Other 40 20.9 7.9 
Intercepted 6 3.1 1.2

Here's another interesting one: Yards after catches for receivers. Whodathunk that Jason was 8th in the league?

1 Drew Brees NO 2233 
2 Kurt Warner Ari 2091 
3 Matt Cassel NE 2070 
4 Philip Rivers SD 1768 
5 Jay Cutler Den 1754 
6 Donovan McNabb Phi 1710 
7 Brett Favre NYJ 1655 
8 Jason Campbell Was 1597 
9 Peyton Manning Ind 1556 
10 Aaron Rodgers GB  1541

The YAC stat would seem to make sense to me because we only throw the ball 3 yards each attempt. If we do get any yards it has ot be after the catch.

[skin4ever]

Originally Posted by Farmer Ted

The Washington post has some of Stats, Inc's data on this stuff. Here's the individual leaders in dropped passes. It seems low with regards to Moss, but that may be equally true for all of the other receivers. It's a subjective stat to say the least.

Thanks alot Farmer Ted for these stats, and the links. Thats pretty awesome.

[AliBabba]

Originally Posted by shally

???????????

i was acknowledging someone's effort ... the rest, i guess, was a failed attempt at humor. is that troubling ?

I simply mean it seems that anything that makes JC appear to be successful is viewed as coincidental...

[Farmer Ted]

Originally Posted by Battle Cat

The YAC stat would seem to make sense to me because we only throw the ball 3 yards each attempt. If we do get any yards it has ot be after the catch.

Yeah, we dink and dunk a lot; I think that YAC was pretty much invented as a stat when West Coast offenses became popular. Also, Cooley and Moss are in the top 20 for YAC for receivers. (It's not per attempt, but total YAC). I'm not positive (don't know who all the players are), but I think Cooley may be the only TE on the list, which is pretty impressive when you think about it. Where is Jason Witten? I remember getting in an argument with IRJB earlier this year about Cooley vs. Witten, and you'd think that Witten would be #1 for TE the way IRJB went on and on about him.

1 Wes Welker NE 741
2 Anquan Boldin Ari 595
3 Maurice Jones-Drew Jac 569
4 Kevin Faulk NE 496
5 LaDainian Tomlinson SD 484
6 Calvin Johnson Det 455
7 Larry Fitzgerald Ari 446
8 Andre Johnson Hou 439
9 Chris Cooley Was 435
10 Steve Smith Car 424
11 Matt Forte Chi 422
12 Brandon Marshall Den 419
13 Owen Daniels Hou 414
14 Derrick Ward NYG 411
15 Steve Slaton Hou 408
16 Santana Moss Was 404

[chicago_skinz_fan]

Originally Posted by Farmer Ted

Yeah, we dink and dunk a lot; I think that YAC was pretty much invented as a stat when West Coast offenses became popular. Also, Cooley and Moss are in the top 20 for YAC for receivers. (It's not per attempt, but total YAC). I'm not positive (don't know who all the players are), but I think Cooley may be the only TE on the list, which is pretty impressive when you think about it. Where is Jason Witten? I remember getting in an argument with IRJB earlier this year about Cooley vs. Witten, and you'd think that Witten would be #1 for TE the way IRJB went on and on about him.

Chris Cooley is always breaking tackles man. I love when he gets the ball, he is really tough to bring down. The guy has to be super strong. Anyone know what that dude squats?

[shally]

Originally Posted by AliBabba

I simply mean it seems that anything that makes JC appear to be successful is viewed as coincidental...

no. he is what he is.. the starting qb on a team that first went 6-2 and then went 2-6...

he is part of the overall problem if you see the glass half empty, and part of the overall solution if you see the glass as half full

[AliBabba]

Originally Posted by shally

no. he is what he is.. the starting qb on a team that first went 6-2 and then went 2-6...

he is part of the overall problem if you see the glass half empty, and part of the overall solution if you see the glass as half full

I think we have much bigger problems than at QB. Spending cap space or draft picks on that position is a mistake imo. We need to sure up the lines and add an OLB all of which are quite pricey via the draft or FA.

[shally]

Originally Posted by AliBabba

I think we have much bigger problems than at QB. Spending cap space or draft picks on that position is a mistake imo. We need to sure up the lines and add an OLB all of which are quite pricey via the draft or FA.

you will get no argument from me on that one.. but for the sake of argument, i bet we could find a vet qb with true WCO experience for what we are paying collins to LEARN the WCO.. assuming neither sees much of the field next season, whom would you rather have ? i think collins adds little or nothing to the mix at this point

[Keino]

Originally Posted by shally

you will get no argument from me on that one.. but for the sake of argument, i bet we could find a vet qb with true WCO experience for what we are paying collins to LEARN the WCO.. assuming neither sees much of the field next season, whom would you rather have ? i think collins adds little or nothing to the mix at this point

I think we agree here. I didn't understand re-upping with Collins this year if we weren't keeping Saunders.