DFA: Akh's final mock

[shally]

great job as usual. that represents a ton of work on the part of you and (i assume) fent. i dont think anyone really appreciates how much effort and thought goes into each of your mocks. you are a tremendous resource for all of us late comers to the process.. thanks !!

as to content, i am telling you that although a trade for sanchez might happen, there is absolutely no way it is not coupled with a trade off of Jason Campbell.
despite the fact that lip service could be paid to the fact that sanchez will sit and learn and might not be ready for a year or 2, we all know that JC will get the hook the first poor half he has (just like Bledsoe).. that will totally ruin any chance he has of playing for his next contract.. the deck will be stacked against him and he knows it.

they will get what they can for JC. preferably in this draft, but also from the 2010 draft in conditional picks, if needed. but at that point, JC will simply force a trade.. even as good a soldier as he is will not sit back and let Snyderrato ruin his career by burying him for part or all of the 2009 season.
they will get what they can for him because keeping him will be a public relations nightmare that will split the team and result in a catastrophic 2009 season

all in all, if snyder wont part with 2010 top picks that tells me that Zorn is doomed because the message has been passed from shanahan, or whoever, that it is unacceptable to trade off next years draft which will be used to repair
the FO's damage.. without it, we simply dont have the points to move up
to even get Jax's pick. they wont take D Thomas and he wont be offered.
besides, the Jets will easily out bid us and have the picks needed to make the trade happen. i think it is less that 20% we get a legitimate shot at sanchez.
snyderrato will grumble and content himself with tormenting campbell and
pushing Brennan on Zorn.. that will make Zorn's exit easy

i think they will content themselves with either a small move up to snag Orakpo, or will trade back, if they can, and say that is the Redskin way, just like it was last year.. if they take a player at 13, i think they will consider
Maulauga or Jackson because both would be solid fits for Blache and he will use either one..Maulauga will be a spot player this year playing inside, outside and will replace Fletcher next year when LF's salary jumps to around 6 or 7 million per year..
Jackson would be Blache's next PD's and will play in rotation

we will have to content ourselves with OL picks in round 3 or later. they wont have any impact this year, the same way Reinhard had no impact last year. we will re sign Kendall and maybe make a run at either Tauscher or Runyon or Jonas Jennings or K Harris after the draft if it looks like the young players are not worthy of playing time.

couple of additional comments.
we will find a way to draft Toler, even if it means taking him WAY too early. the same way we did with tryon

also, C Barwin will be this years version of Matt Jones.. some team is going to take him in the latter portion of the first round. he had great workout numbers and someone will convince themselves he will be a future all pro.. wont happen.
he gets the 2009 Mike Mamula Award

[shally]

Originally Posted by Taylor21TheUndertaker

I like the Knox pick. I think he was one of the burners when I watched a little of the combine.

our type of player.. too small and light to take much of a hit...but very very quick.. using him and moss in the same formation will make the defense think they are chasing jackrabbits...

[BurgundyNGold]

You ******* ********. You just couldn't leave well enough alone, lol.

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

1st Kiper says Loadholt may sneak into 1st, now you say Barwin.... back to the drawing board.

[shally]

Originally Posted by Taylor21TheUndertaker

1st Kiper says Loadholt may sneak into 1st, now you say Barwin.... back to the drawing board.

not unless he took dancing lessons from jason taylor.. he does not have any kind of "feet".. might be this year's version of leonard davis and have to move inside in a year or 2 to become another immense guard

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

I have a feeling the Raiders go tackle and move up for wr.... just a hunch.

[shally]

Originally Posted by Taylor21TheUndertaker

I have a feeling the Raiders go tackle and move up for wr.... just a hunch.

they are usually always good for at least one speed pick.. davis loves the vertical, but hasnt had very much of it lately..

[Taylor21TheUndertaker]

Originally Posted by shally

they are usually always good for at least one speed pick.. davis loves the vertical, but hasnt had very much of it lately..

I'm sure he'd be willing to "mortgage the future" for another 1st that can contribute now.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by shally

as to content, i am telling you that although a trade for sanchez might happen, there is absolutely no way it is not coupled with a trade off of Jason Campbell.
despite the fact that lip service could be paid to the fact that sanchez will sit and learn and might not be ready for a year or 2, we all know that JC will get the hook the first poor half he has (just like Bledsoe).. that will totally ruin any chance he has of playing for his next contract.. the deck will be stacked against him and he knows it.

I disagree. I think unless Campbell is in any trade for Sanchez, he won't be dealt since he'll basically have no value.

Originally Posted by shally

all in all, if snyder wont part with 2010 top picks that tells me that Zorn is doomed because the message has been passed from shanahan, or whoever, that it is unacceptable to trade off next years draft which will be used to repair
the FO's damage.. without it, we simply dont have the points to move up
to even get Jax's pick. they wont take D Thomas and he wont be offered.
besides, the Jets will easily out bid us and have the picks needed to make the trade happen. i think it is less that 20% we get a legitimate shot at sanchez.

Agree on Zorn being doomed, but the Jags-from what I understand-want Chris Wells, but want to move down a few spots to take him(saving face). I think you could get that pick cheaply.

Originally Posted by BurgundyNGold

You ******* ********. You just couldn't leave well enough alone, lol.

I never changed my opinion. The skins are locked in on Sanchez. Either they'll get him or deal down in the first.

Originally Posted by Taylor21TheUndertaker

I have a feeling the Raiders go tackle and move up for wr.... just a hunch.

They want DHB badly. I think they're going to address the Dline in round 1.

[shally]

Originally Posted by akhhorus

I disagree. I think unless Campbell is in any trade for Sanchez, he won't be dealt since he'll basically have no value.



Agree on Zorn being doomed, but the Jags-from what I understand-want Chris Wells, but want to move down a few spots to take him(saving face). I think you could get that pick cheaply.



I never changed my opinion. The skins are locked in on Sanchez. Either they'll get him or deal down in the first.



They want DHB badly. I think they're going to address the Dline in round 1.

if the Jags want Wells so badly they are collective idiots to try and trade down and still get him.. better to take him a couple of picks too early and at least get him.. it isnt as if there are 4 RB's the way there are 4 OT's.. it is either him or Moreno.
Jags will deserve what happens to them if someone sneaks up and grabs Wells

snyder is still sensitive to public relations and marketing.. there is simply No way to finesse having both JC and sanchez onthe team together.. it will destroy chemistry worse than what signing jeff george did.. not that sanchez is a coach killer, but from everything that has been written he is a classic alpha personality.. it will be a disaster to have him behind JC.. worse than Quinn and Anderson fiasco

JC will bring what he will bring.. even if it means a 3rd round next year.. all the better for shanahan to work with, now that i think about it..

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by shally

if the Jags want Wells so badly they are collective idiots to try and trade down and still get him.. better to take him a couple of picks too early and at least get him.. it isnt as if there are 4 RB's the way there are 4 OT's.. it is either him or Moreno.
Jags will deserve what happens to them if someone sneaks up and grabs Wells

I think their plan is to take Wells and Moreno if someone takes Wells between 9-12.

Originally Posted by shally

snyder is still sensitive to public relations and marketing.. there is simply No way to finesse having both JC and sanchez onthe team together.. it will destroy chemistry worse than what signing jeff george did.. not that sanchez is a coach killer, but from everything that has been written he is a classic alpha personality.. it will be a disaster to have him behind JC.. worse than Quinn and Anderson fiasco

Yes, but Snyder could talk himself into the massive coverage over the "fight for the starting job" between Campbell and Sanchez.

Originally Posted by shally

JC will bring what he will bring.. even if it means a 3rd round next year.. all the better for shanahan to work with, now that i think about it..

If the skins got Sanchez, I wouldn't offer a 3rd for Campbell. Why bother. You know he's a goner in a year.

[ChiefPowhatan17]

That's a mess. Why would we get rid of Devin Thomas, we need him this year. Let's not jump the shark...

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by ChiefPowhatan17

That's a mess. Why would we get rid of Devin Thomas, we need him this year. Let's not jump the shark...

Because the skins have Dirty Sanchez stars in their eyes lol.

And as soon as we decided to try and trade for Cutler or trade up for Sanchez, that shark was jumped lol.

[dj_stouty]

Great stuff as always, Akh.

If we do trade down, I'd love to see them go after Sidbury from Richmond with the extra 2nd/3rd. Had he gone to a DI-A school, I think he would have been considered a low first rounder. I see you have him slated for mid-2nd round which is a fair assessment...

Question: why would the Jags use a top 15 pick on Beanie if they just locked up MJD to a monster entension? I realize MJD is a dwarfish running back who will need a between-the-tackles guy to spell him; but using a top pick seems a bit much for a 2nd RB.

Ray at #12 to the Pats would be a dream scenario for them. He fits the part of the Patriot's swarming and physical ILB. If I were the Bills, Jets and Phins, I'd be steamed if the Pats were able to grab him. Perfect fit for him....

Regarding the top pick; there was a lot of talk this morning on NFL Radio that the Lions have met with Aaron Curry and he wouldn't bat an eyelash of taking slightly less than what Jake Long got with the #1 last year. Any chance the Lions shock everyone and take Curry?

Wow...you have Smith and Jenkins really falling low. Jenkins, I can believe...but I think someone will gamble on Smith in the first 15 picks. (Could be us?) I think Pat White will fall into the 4th round; just my hunch.

From a UVA perspective; do you really think OLB/DE Clint Sintim will fall into the 4th round or did you just forget him? I think he is a lock to go high 3rd at a minimum, if not mid-2nd. He is a sack master. Ogletree is a bum and I doubt he is picked that high, IMO.

[akhhorus]

Originally Posted by dj_stouty

Great stuff as always, Akh.

Thanks man.

Originally Posted by dj_stouty

If we do trade down, I'd love to see them go after Sidbury from Richmond with the extra 2nd/3rd. Had he gone to a DI-A school, I think he would have been considered a low first rounder. I see you have him slated for mid-2nd round which is a fair assessment...

The pats are high on him. I *could* see them take him at 34.

Originally Posted by dj_stouty

Question: why would the Jags use a top 15 pick on Beanie if they just locked up MJD to a monster entension? I realize MJD is a dwarfish running back who will need a between-the-tackles guy to spell him; but using a top pick seems a bit much for a 2nd RB.

They love MJD, they gave him good money, but they want a 2 back system because they don't think MJD can handle 240 carries a year. Wells would be perfect, and if they can pick up something extra getting him-all the better.

Originally Posted by dj_stouty

Ray at #12 to the Pats would be a dream scenario for them. He fits the part of the Patriot's swarming and physical ILB. If I were the Bills, Jets and Phins, I'd be steamed if the Pats were able to grab him. Perfect fit for him....

him, Mayo, ADT and Teddy is a scary LB corps.

Originally Posted by dj_stouty

Regarding the top pick; there was a lot of talk this morning on NFL Radio that the Lions have met with Aaron Curry and he wouldn't bat an eyelash of taking slightly less than what Jake Long got with the #1 last year. Any chance the Lions shock everyone and take Curry?

If they can't sign Stafford, they'll look elsewhere. I think that they would rather take an OT in that scenario. I don't buy it for the simple reason that Schwartz's defenses are Dline driven, and they already have Peterson and Sims.

Originally Posted by dj_stouty

Wow...you have Smith and Jenkins really falling low. Jenkins, I can believe...but I think someone will gamble on Smith in the first 15 picks. (Could be us?) I think Pat White will fall into the 4th round; just my hunch.

Smith is hurt by Britton and Beatty. And I think a lot of teams see Andre Smith as a OG. White is hard to gauge. If the jets don't get a QB, they'll probably take him in the 2nd.

Originally Posted by dj_stouty

From a UVA perspective; do you really think OLB/DE Clint Sintim will fall into the 4th round or did you just forget him? I think he is a lock to go high 3rd at a minimum, if not mid-2nd. He is a sack master. Ogletree is a bum and I doubt he is picked that high, IMO.

Sintim is a tough one to gauge. I could see him going to Baltimore at 26, but I could see him going in the early 4th. He's a boutique player: he only fits one role in one scheme, so that narrows who could take him(and he's limited by if those teams need a rush Lb). Ogletree is a bum, but he's a bum with good physical tools lol.