Campbell on Campbell

[NamVet4]

The situation and environment certainly matter when it comes to young QBs. Whereas Peyton Manning had the same offensive coordinator for the first 11 seasons of his career, Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell played for four different coordinators in his first four years.

And in Campbell's case this season, there's a lot more than just Xs and Os at play — confidence, steadiness and managing what's upstairs will matter even more. It was made no secret that the Redskins were not only suitors in the Jay Cutler sweepstakes, but also very interested in USC quarterback Mark Sanchez, now a Jets rookie.

Campbell's dealt with a media maelstrom surrounding Washington's offseason quarterback passes. A few months back, the five-year veteran admitted that the Redskins' attempts to acquire other quarterbacks over the offseason made him feel "like a bad quarterback or someone who's not wanted."

"You have to try to turn negative things into something positive," Campbell said. "Keep yourself moving forward. I used it all as motivation. I'm at a stage in my life where I just want to enjoy playing football, try to do everything I can to be successful and take my game to the next level."

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[BurgundyNGold]

Less talkie. More 12 play drives resulting in TDs.

[oldskinfan]

For all you Terps out there, you could argue even Shaun Hill has better numbers than JC.

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[dj_stouty]

I didn't realize Jason had 4 offensive coordinators in 4 years. News to me. That explains everything!

[shally]

Originally Posted by BurgundyNGold

Less talkie. More 12 play drives resulting in TDs.

+1

no more excuses permitted going into his 5th season..

[silverspring]

Originally Posted by dj_stouty

I didn't realize Jason had 4 offensive coordinators in 4 years. News to me. That explains everything!

The negative way to look at this is that we tried to fit Jason into 4 different offenses and he failed at all of them.

[Farmer Ted]

Originally Posted by dj_stouty

I didn't realize Jason had 4 offensive coordinators in 4 years. News to me. That explains everything!

I wonder when they're going to stop propagating that myth. You write it enough, and after while not only does everyone believe it's true, but they believe it's the reason (excuse) that Jason hasn't developed into a top flight starting quarterback.

[dj_stouty]

Originally Posted by Farmer Ted

I wonder when they're going to stop propagating that myth. You write it enough, and after while not only does everyone believe it's true, but they believe it's the reason (excuse) that Jason hasn't developed into a top flight starting quarterback.

Lavar had 4-5 different DCs in the beginning of his career. He didn't excel in top form with all of them; but he made the most of each one. When the DC wanted him in coverage, he intercepted the ball and deflected passes. When the DC wanted him playing the run, he racked up tons of tackles and forced fumbles. When the DC wanted him to put his hand in the dirt and pass-rush, he led all NFL LBs in sacks.

Good players get it done regardless.

[Farmer Ted]

It's a myth because he actually had 3 OC's in his first four years, and he had the same one for the first two years that he started (Al Saunders). The JC defenders/loyalists always seem to ignore that, and spin the story in a convenient way that gives JC a built-in excuse for not excelling. They forget that he started 19 games in Saunders' system (edit: oops, it was 20 starts), and that he didn't actually show any improvement as time went on. This is is second shot at a year 2 in a pro offense. I hope he does better this time around.

[SkinsfaninNJ]

Originally Posted by dj_stouty

Lavar had 4-5 different DCs in the beginning of his career. He didn't excel in top form with all of them; but he made the most of each one. When the DC wanted him in coverage, he intercepted the ball and deflected passes. When the DC wanted him playing the run, he racked up tons of tackles and forced fumbles. When the DC wanted him to put his hand in the dirt and pass-rush, he led all NFL LBs in sacks.

Good players get it done regardless.

This could be an interesting debate, but isn't Lavar generally viewed as a disappointment for us? Perhaps not the best example.

[colkurtz]

JC has been an below average QB for his 5 seasons. My prediction is that when he leaves here he will become a journeyman backup QB wherever he goes.

There are young rookies who succeed almost right from the beginning. JC is not a franchise QB but will get his chance to succeed well into his fifth season. How many others get that long? Most QB get 20-30 games to succeed (Ramsey, Shuler).

JC will get more time to succeed than the VAST number of QB, BECAUSE he's had so many OC's. Yet he keeps using that as an excuse when his QB rating this PS is in the 40s.

I hope JC succeeds but I don't think he will. Zorn seems happy to go down with that ship.

[shally]

Originally Posted by dj_stouty

Lavar had 4-5 different DCs in the beginning of his career. He didn't excel in top form with all of them; but he made the most of each one. When the DC wanted him in coverage, he intercepted the ball and deflected passes. When the DC wanted him playing the run, he racked up tons of tackles and forced fumbles. When the DC wanted him to put his hand in the dirt and pass-rush, he led all NFL LBs in sacks.

Good players get it done regardless.

+1

an excellent analogy, even though the positions differ a lot

[shally]

Originally Posted by colkurtz

JC has been an below average QB for his 5 seasons. My prediction is that when he leaves here he will become a journeyman backup QB wherever he goes.

There are young rookies who succeed almost right from the beginning. JC is not a franchise QB but will get his chance to succeed well into his fifth season. How many others get that long? Most QB get 20-30 games to succeed (Ramsey, Shuler).

JC will get more time to succeed than the VAST number of QB, BECAUSE he's had so many OC's. Yet he keeps using that as an excuse when his QB rating this PS is in the 40s.

I hope JC succeeds but I don't think he will. Zorn seems happy to go down with that ship.

Zorn really didnt have a choice.. he was hired SPECIFICALLY with an eye towards developing Campbell. sure he could have said, "NO" but then he likely wouldnt have been hired as OC, much less HC in the first place..

i will also tell you, even though i cannot prove it, that i bet ZORN WAS PART OF THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS TO TRY AND REPLACE CAMPBELL THIS OFF SEASON. i am not saying he inititated it, or even pushed strongly for it,
but i will bet you that Zorn was beyond okay with it..

when it didnt happen, of course, he went back to Campbell and spun it as positively as possible. but i cannot believe that all zorn knew about it was what he read about it in the media..

it will be interesting to see what happens this year. if Zorn and Campbell are tied to each other, i believe they will either remain here together, or both will be gone next year.. the one exception i can see if is Zorn pushes for Campbell's replacement (in private discussions i would guess) and acutally does replace Campbell with Daniels (or Brennan just for example)
and has early success with the young QB.. that scenario might actually buy Zorn another year to develop Daniels

but if he and Campbell finish the year together, out of the playoffs, both will be gone after this year..

[Farmer Ted]

Originally Posted by colkurtz

There are young rookies who succeed almost right from the beginning. JC is not a franchise QB but will get his chance to succeed well into his fifth season. How many others get that long? Most QB get 20-30 games to succeed (Ramsey, Shuler).

It's hard to get data (for me) on # of starts, but he's already #7 all-time in pass attempts for Redskins' QB's (too much of a pain to put headers in on the columns, and Baugh's #'s are skewed over a bit).

		    
1	Joe Theismann	1974	1985	167G	77-47-0	2044	3602	56.7%	25206	160	4.4	138	3.8	84	7	6.2	12.3	150.9	77.4	340	2757	5.7	4.9	8.6
2	Sonny Jurgensen	1964	1974	135	52-51-5	1831	3155	58	22585	179	5.7	116	3.7	99	7.2	6.6	12.3	167.3	83.9	94	748	6	5.5	7.4
3	Sammy Baugh	1937	1952	165	11/10/2000	1693	2995	56.5	21886	187	6.2	203	6.8	86	7.3	5.5	12.9	132.6	72.2					
4	Mark Rypien	1988	1993	77	45-27-0	1244	2207	56.4	15928	101	4.6	75	3.4	82	7.2	6.6	12.8	206.9	80.2	82	578	6.7	6.1	3.6
5	Billy Kilmer	1971	1978	82	50-23-1	953	1791	53.2	12352	103	5.8	75	4.2	96	6.9	6.2	13	150.6	76.9	117	826	6	5.4	6.1
6	Gus Frerotte	1994	1998	52	19-26-1	744	1422	52.3	9769	48	3.4	44	3.1	73	6.9	6.2	13.1	187.9	72.7	83	551	6.1	5.4	5.5
7	Jason Campbell	2006	2008	36	16-20-0	675	1130	59.7	7242	35	3.1	23	2	67	6.4	6.1	10.7	201.2	80.4	66	431	5.7	5.4	5.5
8	Eddie LeBaron	1952	1959	82	22-31-2	539	1104	48.8	8068	59	5.3	88	8	82	7.3	4.8	15	98.4	57.8					
9	Norm Snead	1961	1963	42	9/30/2003	531	1092	48.6	8306	46	4.2	71	6.5	85	7.6	5.5	15.6	197.8	61.2					
10	Jay Schroeder	1985	1987	36	24-7-0	517	1017	50.8	7445	39	3.8	37	3.6	84	7.3	6.5	14.4	206.8	72.6	60	503	6.4	5.6	5.6
11	Mark Brunell	2004	2006	35	15-18-0	542	951	57	6033	38	4	20	2.1	78	6.3	6.2	11.1	172.4	80.6	54	410	5.6	5.5	5.4
12	Brad Johnson	1999	2000	28	17-10-0	544	884	61.5	6510	35	4	28	3.2	77	7.4	6.7	12	232.5	84	49	327	6.6	6	5.3
13	Patrick Ramsey	2002	2005	34	10/14/2000	480	861	55.7	5649	34	3.9	29	3.4	72	6.6	5.8	11.8	166.1	75	75	502	5.5	4.8	8
14	Doug Williams	1986	1989	21	5/9/2000	345	617	55.9	4350	27	4.4	20	3.2	62	7.1	6.5	12.6	207.1	79.1	19	151	6.6	6	3
15	Trent Green	1997	1998	16	6/8/2000	278	510	54.5	3441	23	4.5	11	2.2	75	6.7	6.7	12.4	215.1	81.7	49	338	5.6	5.5	8.8
16	Ralph Guglielmi	1955	1960	37	4/13/2003	215	455	47.3	2864	17	3.7	40	8.8	70	6.3	3.1	13.3	77.4	43.5					
17	Frank Filchock	1938	1945	58		224	431	52	3266	32	7.4	47	10.9	99	7.6	4.2	14.6	56.3	62.1					
18	Harry Gilmer	1948	1954	57	0-8-0	178	411	43.3	2850	17	4.1	38	9.2	74	6.9	3.6	16	50	42.3					
19	Heath Shuler	1994	1995	18	4/9/2000	186	390	47.7	2403	13	3.3	19	4.9	81	6.2	4.6	12.9	133.5	58.3	25	159	5.4	4	6
20	Tony Banks	2001	2001	15	8/6/2000	198	370	53.5	2386	10	2.7	10	2.7	85	6.4	5.8	12.1	159.1	71.3	29	173	5.5	4.9	7.3

[shally]

Originally Posted by Farmer Ted

It's hard to get data (for me) on # of starts, but he's already #7 all-time in pass attempts for Redskins' QB's (too much of a pain to put headers in on the columns, and Baugh's #'s are skewed over a bit).

		    
1	Joe Theismann	1974	1985	167G	77-47-0	2044	3602	56.7%	25206	160	4.4	138	3.8	84	7	6.2	12.3	150.9	77.4	340	2757	5.7	4.9	8.6
2	Sonny Jurgensen	1964	1974	135	52-51-5	1831	3155	58	22585	179	5.7	116	3.7	99	7.2	6.6	12.3	167.3	83.9	94	748	6	5.5	7.4
3	Sammy Baugh	1937	1952	165	11/10/2000	1693	2995	56.5	21886	187	6.2	203	6.8	86	7.3	5.5	12.9	132.6	72.2					
4	Mark Rypien	1988	1993	77	45-27-0	1244	2207	56.4	15928	101	4.6	75	3.4	82	7.2	6.6	12.8	206.9	80.2	82	578	6.7	6.1	3.6
5	Billy Kilmer	1971	1978	82	50-23-1	953	1791	53.2	12352	103	5.8	75	4.2	96	6.9	6.2	13	150.6	76.9	117	826	6	5.4	6.1
6	Gus Frerotte	1994	1998	52	19-26-1	744	1422	52.3	9769	48	3.4	44	3.1	73	6.9	6.2	13.1	187.9	72.7	83	551	6.1	5.4	5.5
7	Jason Campbell	2006	2008	36	16-20-0	675	1130	59.7	7242	35	3.1	23	2	67	6.4	6.1	10.7	201.2	80.4	66	431	5.7	5.4	5.5
8	Eddie LeBaron	1952	1959	82	22-31-2	539	1104	48.8	8068	59	5.3	88	8	82	7.3	4.8	15	98.4	57.8					
9	Norm Snead	1961	1963	42	9/30/2003	531	1092	48.6	8306	46	4.2	71	6.5	85	7.6	5.5	15.6	197.8	61.2					
10	Jay Schroeder	1985	1987	36	24-7-0	517	1017	50.8	7445	39	3.8	37	3.6	84	7.3	6.5	14.4	206.8	72.6	60	503	6.4	5.6	5.6
11	Mark Brunell	2004	2006	35	15-18-0	542	951	57	6033	38	4	20	2.1	78	6.3	6.2	11.1	172.4	80.6	54	410	5.6	5.5	5.4
12	Brad Johnson	1999	2000	28	17-10-0	544	884	61.5	6510	35	4	28	3.2	77	7.4	6.7	12	232.5	84	49	327	6.6	6	5.3
13	Patrick Ramsey	2002	2005	34	10/14/2000	480	861	55.7	5649	34	3.9	29	3.4	72	6.6	5.8	11.8	166.1	75	75	502	5.5	4.8	8
14	Doug Williams	1986	1989	21	5/9/2000	345	617	55.9	4350	27	4.4	20	3.2	62	7.1	6.5	12.6	207.1	79.1	19	151	6.6	6	3
15	Trent Green	1997	1998	16	6/8/2000	278	510	54.5	3441	23	4.5	11	2.2	75	6.7	6.7	12.4	215.1	81.7	49	338	5.6	5.5	8.8
16	Ralph Guglielmi	1955	1960	37	4/13/2003	215	455	47.3	2864	17	3.7	40	8.8	70	6.3	3.1	13.3	77.4	43.5					
17	Frank Filchock	1938	1945	58		224	431	52	3266	32	7.4	47	10.9	99	7.6	4.2	14.6	56.3	62.1					
18	Harry Gilmer	1948	1954	57	0-8-0	178	411	43.3	2850	17	4.1	38	9.2	74	6.9	3.6	16	50	42.3					
19	Heath Shuler	1994	1995	18	4/9/2000	186	390	47.7	2403	13	3.3	19	4.9	81	6.2	4.6	12.9	133.5	58.3	25	159	5.4	4	6
20	Tony Banks	2001	2001	15	8/6/2000	198	370	53.5	2386	10	2.7	10	2.7	85	6.4	5.8	12.1	159.1	71.3	29	173	5.5	4.9	7.3

more games already than mark brunell.. i would not have guessed that..