Lot of parts to fix ...

SweetBubbaT · #1 11-09-2009, 10:01 AM

But if you were going to start somewhere ... you start with the O Line, right?

So how do we get 5 new pieces quickly? Who can we trade to attain "C+" to "B -" rated lineman? Moss? Cooley? Portis?

How many O linemen should we draft?

My feeling is that we do not draft a QB too high, instead we get a servicable veteran QB and we stock up on lineman. Get a servicable hard-nosed runner, with a scat-back for a change-of-pace. Go with our young receivers (Risk? yes ... but we HAVE to build a line).

Build the line ... build the line ... build the line!

Where would you start?

bigcmr · #2 11-09-2009, 10:15 AM

Start with replacing Vinny. And Bugel is out sorry to say. Then draft 2-3 Olineman. (Draft not sign guys that are 400 pounds and out of the NFL for 3 years) Pick up a few FAs hope we could build off of that. Yet for some reason why do I see one big name singing and the FO hopeing Randy Thomas can make a come back?

SWFlaSkinsFan · #3 11-09-2009, 10:24 AM

Fire Vinny ... hire a real GM ... now !!!!

The rest of this season will unfold however it's going to ... with a "fresh set of eyes" watching the ugliness ... and the rest will take care of itself ...

If that isn't done ... then the rest won't matter ...

Redskin4Life · #4 11-09-2009, 10:35 AM

Honestly... if we spend the whole next draft on OLinemen, I think O side of the ball will be fixed. And of course, we don't need to do anything on the D side except get a D Coordinator with a pair... I'm sick of this weak @$$ defensive scheme. We need to ATTACK with the guys we've got and we need to bring some real blitzes (ie load up one side every once in a while).

GreenspanDan · #5 11-09-2009, 10:35 AM

portis is too old and too often injured to have any value. moss and cooley would have value. i like moss, but with all our young receivers, he is probably the most expendable. cooley probably isn't tradeable with a broken ankle, and imo i'd want to keep him anyway.

i'm actually concerned that next year our secondary is going to be like our o-line this year. Rogers is older than Portis. Smoot is just about done. Hall will be our best CB and he is inconsistent at best. behind them we have a bunch of players who basically give QBs wet dreams.

there's just soooo much that needs fixing.

Redskin4Life · #6 11-09-2009, 10:42 AM

Comment to Post #1:

I think we could easily get highly rated OLinemen with our high 1st and 2nd... IMHO, we need to trade down our pick for more picks or an OLinemen and picks. Use this terrible season to our advantage. Get the 3 or so OL guys we need in the first day. We've got the right QB (I'm sure many people will argue against me on this point... but I still believe in JC) and WRs (with more time for JC to throw... I'm sure the WRs can get to their spots and JC can look for more than just his first read). The RBs will just have to do for one more year until the 2011 draft....

CarMike · #7 11-09-2009, 11:02 AM

I agree, we need a GM first.

Hire a coach and staff who hold players accountable for their play.

Draft OL/OL/OL/OL/OL

Move Orakpo to fulltime DE position.

Look in the 2nd round to see if there is a QB the new HC likes.

Look for a new RB during FA. Not sure who will be available.

fent · #8 11-09-2009, 11:22 AM

If Bradford is available when we pick, I take him and sign a veteran like Garcia or the like to run the offense for a year while we get Bradford used to the NFL. For the o-line, I'd sign a guy like Alex Barron, Jared Gaither or Marcus McNeill, both of whom are free agents to man the tackle spot and potentially I look at Logan Mankins or Jahri Evans if the Pats or Saints let them go. In the draft I highly consider moving back into the late first if one of the tackles is dropping. If not, I stand pat, grab the best lineman regardless of position at the top of the 2nd and then in the 3rd go best available O-line yet again. Gives us a franchise signal caller and a solid o-line.

joethefan · #9 11-09-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by fent

If Bradford is available when we pick, I take him and sign a veteran like Garcia or the like to run the offense for a year while we get Bradford used to the NFL. For the o-line, I'd sign a guy like Alex Barron, Jared Gaither or Marcus McNeill, both of whom are free agents to man the tackle spot and potentially I look at Logan Mankins or Jahri Evans if the Pats or Saints let them go. In the draft I highly consider moving back into the late first if one of the tackles is dropping. If not, I stand pat, grab the best lineman regardless of position at the top of the 2nd and then in the 3rd go best available O-line yet again. Gives us a franchise signal caller and a solid o-line.

that statement has malcolm kelly written all over it..IMO

fent · #10 11-09-2009, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by joethefan

that statement has malcolm kelly written all over it..IMO

minus the degenerative knee condition

joethefan · #11 11-09-2009, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by fent

minus the degenerative knee condition

i understand the garcia move, but we need to fix the line first...bradford would not be the first choice of mine w the big name qbs....can you explain your thinking?

smoot · #12 11-09-2009, 11:50 AM

It's actually very conceivable that the Redskins could draft the #1 ranked OT, OC, and OG in the entire draft... not that the front office has shown the brains to ever pull that off. All it would take is a slight trade down from where I expect to draft after finishing the season at 2-14 (3-13 at the best) which i'm guessing would put us at pick number 3 which we could trade for the sixth or seventh plus a second rounder and draft Okung, O'Dowd, and Iupati with the first three picks. Add in a veteran OT in FA and all of the sudden, the o-line is looking very good.

fent · #13 11-09-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by joethefan

i understand the garcia move, but we need to fix the line first...bradford would not be the first choice of mine w the big name qbs....can you explain your thinking?

my thinking is based on the assumption that we'll continue with the WCO and not change that up. he has an above-average arm, is accurate (69% completion percentage coming into this season - higher than Peyton's at Tennessee), makes quick reads, and is decisive. His downside is he plays most of his snaps from the shotgun, thus the need to sit for a year and learn how to take a snap from under center and make a 3-step or 7-step drop.

also, my scenario is based on the premise that we grab one or two of those FA linemen and then draft a lineman with our second pick. call it the Atlanta secnario if you will. Ryan at 3 and Baker at 21.

BurgundyNGold · #14 11-09-2009, 01:04 PM

Anyone who thinks that we only have holes at OL isn't seeing the big picture. And if folks think that spending 5 picks on the OL in the upcoming draft haven't learned a whole lot from the 2nd round debacle in 2008.

Select the best player available. Hopefully, that player is an OL, since that's what we need most blatantly. But don't reach and, for crying out loud, don't go overboard is some pathetic, reactionary attempt to camouflage your past failures. Maybe we can't get it all done in one draft and one FA. That's fine. Develop a multiyear plan and work within that framework.

There is not going to be a quick fix. Get that DannySpeak out of your heads. It's going to take at least 2-3 years before we're respectable again. And that's assuming that a) we get a good GM, b) he hires and good coach, and c-zzzzzz) Danny stays the hell out of everything.

SkinsfaninNJ · #15 11-09-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BurgundyNGold

Anyone who thinks that we only have holes at OL isn't seeing the big picture. And if folks think that spending 5 picks on the OL in the upcoming draft haven't learned a whole lot from the 2nd round debacle in 2008.

Select the best player available. Hopefully, that player is an OL, since that's what we need most blatantly. But don't reach and, for crying out loud, don't go overboard is some pathetic, reactionary attempt to camouflage your past failures. Maybe we can't get it all done in one draft and one FA. That's fine. Develop a multiyear plan and work within that framework.

There is not going to be a quick fix. Get that DannySpeak out of your heads. It's going to take at least 2-3 years before we're respectable again. And that's assuming that a) we get a good GM, b) he hires and good coach, and c-zzzzzz) Danny stays the hell out of everything.

I agree to a point. I wouldn't necessarily draft 5 olineman either. But we have to find a way to get as close to a sure fire start on day one 10 year building block tackle in the first two rounds. Whether that means trading back to the spot he is most likely to be taken or drating him with our most likely, top 5 pick.

I don't expect to change in one offseason. But we have to start prioritizing the right positions. For example, offensive tackle more important that safety and tight end.