Wilbon: Shanahan is "bad" at evaluating talent - Page 4

skinfan43 · #46 01-07-2010, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shoogknight

I like his track record with both early and later round olineman!!!!!!!

Wait...
...did somebody actually say something about successfully drafting O-lineman?

Now, THAT would be a breath of fresh air. Seriously, Shanny and Allen seem to be totally ready to work WITH one another... and IT'S NOT CERRATO!!

ph33rtheD · #47 01-07-2010, 12:15 PM

One thing that is kind of bothering me is that everybody is very quick to point his success drafting offensive players but he wiffed.. ALOT on defensive players not I will admit that our defense doesn't always play up to their talent level but I don't want to see the defense get neglected because we have an offensive minded coach. I think Denver went through as many DCs as we did HCs and since he has the final say on all personnel decisions I feel like the defense might take some steps back.

Fathead · #48 01-07-2010, 12:17 PM

Some steps back? The only way the D could be worse is if we played with 10 guys instead of 11.

Battle Cat · #49 01-08-2010, 07:16 AM

I think Shanahan can be successful in D.C. But to defend Wilbon there are allot of cases of good coaches letting being the head of personnel get them fired. Mike Holmgren, Shanahan, Jon Gruden, and many more. The known model that works unfortunately is to have a head coach in charge of coaching and then a general manager in charge of personnel decisions. The fact we all want Shanahan to suceed doesn't change that fact. Even if Shanahan becomes the exception to the rule in D.C still I would say for the most part the head coach with his role and general manager with their seperate role is the proven model.

Keino · #50 01-08-2010, 08:36 AM

While the Redskins are the biggest story and have the longest tradition in terms of sell-outs etc., DC is a Basketball town. It’s not even remotely close. Football is not the biggest sport in this town. Football starts and ends with the Redskins in DC. This area features at least 3-5 nationally ranked Basketball High schools annually (sometimes more). There are at least 3 AAU squads in the DC area that are also of national recognition. The number of athletes who go on to play D-IA basketball is at least 3 times the number of athletes that go on to play D-IA football. Culturally, this is a basketball town. It's really not even debateable. The tradition of Basketball goes back to people like Elgin Baylor and Dave Bing......before there was even a pro-basketball team in the DC area.

Please people. I would venture to say that if you think that DC is a football town, you haven't spent much time inside the beltway other than inside the confines of your office.

If we are talking pro-sports, yes, DC is a Redskins town. But if we are talking culturally (and Wilbon was), it is a basketball town.

Keino · #51 01-08-2010, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibleedburgundy

How many consecutive decades have the Wizzards been selling out their games? To me, that is a tad more indicative of what kind of town this is than the tiny fraction of the population that goes pro (.000001%?).

That's just crazy talk. This is an NFL football town.

Reducing the culture of the town to ticket sales of a pro franchise is crazy talk and indicates you have no idea what you are talking about.

Ibleedburgundy · #52 01-08-2010, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Keino

Reducing the culture of the town to ticket sales of a pro franchise is crazy talk and indicates you have no idea what you are talking about.

I live here. Been here my whole life except for college. Aren't you in Florida?

Ibleedburgundy · #53 01-08-2010, 09:18 AM

I guess part of the discrepancy is that I am not just talking about DC, I'm talking about the entire region-from Ashburn to Landover and beyond-that constitutes the Washington DC metropolitan area which is generallly the base of the Redskins/Wizzards/Capitals/Nationals/DC United.

It's a Redskins town. I'm surprised anyone would say otherwise.

tuckahoeskin · #54 01-08-2010, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibleedburgundy

I guess part of the discrepancy is that I am not just talking about DC, I'm talking about the entire region-from Ashburn to Landover and beyond-that constitutes the Washington DC metropolitan area which is generallly the base of the Redskins/Wizzards/Capitals/Nationals/DC United.

It's a Redskins town. I'm surprised anyone would say otherwise.

Agree. Look at what leads on Comcast Sportsnight. Even in the midst of a playoff run by the 'Zards or Caps, if there's Skins news it leads. That says it all.

ChiefPowhatan17 · #55 01-08-2010, 11:51 AM

DC is a Redskins Town. Not a HS Basketball town.

So this is a Football town, and I grew up in Arlington, but DC Sports, when talked about, it's the REDSKINS.....

And it's been that way since 1937..... Thank you Sammy.

Put it this way, the Redskins put DC on the map for Pro Sports.

And really currently this town is far more of a Hockey town with the Caps then a Basketball town, it's just the way it is right now.

But, back to evaluating talent, Shanahan did draft Elvis Dumervil in the 4th round of 2006, that's a good defensive pick, he did good in 2006 and 2008 drafting.

Keino · #56 01-08-2010, 02:28 PM

Saying it is a Redskins town is not the same as saying it is a Football town.

And yes, I live in Florida, and have since 2005. Guess where I spent the first 88% of my lifetime on Earth?

Yes Redskins are #1 in DC, but as Sports Culture goes DC is a Basketball town. And when I say DC, I am talking the whole DMV inside the beltway.

firehawk157 · #57 01-08-2010, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Keino

Saying it is a Redskins town is not the same as saying it is a Football town.

And yes, I live in Florida, and have since 2005. Guess where I spent the first 88% of my lifetime on Earth?

Yes Redskins are #1 in DC, but as Sports Culture goes DC is a Basketball town. And when I say DC, I am talking the whole DMV inside the beltway.

HOnestly, it's just too vague to really debate. I honestly don't care one way or another. There's just too much ambiguity to really debate this (define the DC metro area then define what constitutes sports culture (ticket sales, amount of talent, following, etc). Too vague, so let's just drop it...

redskin_rich · #58 01-08-2010, 11:06 PM

This area, at the amateur level, dominates the nation in Basketball, Lacrosse, Women's Soccer and Volleyball is up 'n coming. Pretty strong in Tennis, as well.

But, as far as Pro Sports go, it is a Football town.
The triangle (Raleigh, Chapel Hill, Durham) and surrounding areas of NC is a Basketball town. At least, fan-wise.

mugaf3 · #59 01-10-2010, 07:26 PM

I am new to posting here. But I had to say something about Shanahan and drafting. I have followed Shanahan for some time, and what most people don't realize is that it was the general manager Todd Sundquist who made all of the bad personnel choices. Shanahan finally got tired of the choices and fired him and brought in Jim and John Goodman to evaluate the talent. It was right after this that their draft choices changed dramatically. Such as getting Brandon Marshall and Ryan Clady. The Goodman’s first draft was the 2006 draft which succeeded heavily. What people don’t realize is that Sundquist was not the general manager in Denver when they built the Super Bowl teams, He came in after 1998. It was then when they started to drop off in talent. Shanahan had the final say but he doesn’t have the time due to coaching most of the year to evaluate the talent as much as is needed he leaves that up to the staff around him. What Shanahan did wrong is not to fire Sundquist earlier. The Goodmans did a great job and the rumor is they might be brought in to the Redskins to their scouting department. If Jim and Jeff Goodman join the Redskins I would be expecting great things from their drafting.

CarMike · #60 01-10-2010, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mugaf3

I am new to posting here. But I had to say something about Shanahan and drafting. I have followed Shanahan for some time, and what most people don't realize is that it was the general manager Todd Sundquist who made all of the bad personnel choices. Shanahan finally got tired of the choices and fired him and brought in Jim and John Goodman to evaluate the talent. It was right after this that their draft choices changed dramatically. Such as getting Brandon Marshall and Ryan Clady. The Goodman’s first draft was the 2006 draft which succeeded heavily. What people don’t realize is that Sundquist was not the general manager in Denver when they built the Super Bowl teams, He came in after 1998. It was then when they started to drop off in talent. Shanahan had the final say but he doesn’t have the time due to coaching most of the year to evaluate the talent as much as is needed he leaves that up to the staff around him. What Shanahan did wrong is not to fire Sundquist earlier. The Goodmans did a great job and the rumor is they might be brought in to the Redskins to their scouting department. If Jim and Jeff Goodman join the Redskins I would be expecting great things from their drafting.

mugaf3, first off welcome to hR.

Thanks for the info on Mike S. Makes things a little brighter that for sure.